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Old 12-29-2019, 07:58 PM   #1
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What are yíall using? I have always just shot 55gr Remington core lokt psp, but Iím not finding them in stock anywhere. Any recommendations for a factory cartridge with controlled expansion bullet? Something that will penetrate, perhaps heavier than 55gr?
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:01 PM   #2
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Not sure of your barrel twist but I like the 62 grain Federal Fusion.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:32 PM   #3
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I second the fusion

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Old 12-29-2019, 08:37 PM   #4
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Winchester 64 grain Hog Special is the best I have found.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:47 PM   #5
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Fusion here but any bonded round will work with a second favorite of mine being the Hornady interlock bullets.


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Old 12-29-2019, 08:49 PM   #6
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I like the 55 grain Barnes TSX
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Old 12-29-2019, 09:05 PM   #7
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My daughter has killed several deer and a big boar with Barnes TSX. It works!
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Old 12-29-2019, 09:10 PM   #8
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I like the 55 grain Barnes TSX
These are on sale right now about $18/box
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Old 12-29-2019, 09:27 PM   #9
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They have the Rem 55 grain PSP that you have been using at Bass Pro in Katy
That has been a good deer hunting round for my grandson.
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Old 12-29-2019, 09:33 PM   #10
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Just picked up a box of Nosler 55gn ballistic tips. Iíve used the Hornady 75gn but, I havenít tested them on pigs yet.
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Old 12-29-2019, 09:56 PM   #11
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One word........gold dots ........
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Old 12-29-2019, 10:00 PM   #12
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Here is some data, do with it as you please!

Fired TODAY (12/29/19) from a 16" 1-7 twist, Noveske w/ 1-6x
Temp: 50F Wind: 8mph SW Humidity: 75% (no rain)

Winchester 50gr Ballistic Silvertip (G1 .267, length .810" advertised @ 3410fps)
3110, 3115, 3133 fps

Winchester 64gr Bonded Solid Base (G1 .230, length .787" advertised @2935fps)
2774, 2784, 2799 fps

Federal 64gr Bonded (certain its the same bullet, different powder/primer) (G1. 230, length .787" advertised @3050fps)
2900, 2923, 2932

Hornady Superformance 73gr ELDM (G1 .398, Length 1.046" advertised @ 2935fps)
2751, 2826, 2821


As you can see all were significantly slower than advertised with the Federal and Hornady being closest to "As advertised".

All 4 shot 1" or better 3rd groups at 100 yards. BOTH Win and Fed 64 shot the same POI. The Hornady was within an inch and the Win BST was 2" high (and 300+fps faster)

I've run the Hornady Superformance to 400 yards with my 1-6x BDC to learn my holds and it was very, VERY consistent. I was shocked at the deviation in velocity BUT it could be a fluke as even a small amount of that Hornady powder would cause some swings. More testing.

TERMINAL- The Hornady is the only one of the four that I have tried on game--The 73gr ELDM absolutely crushed my biggest free range buck ever about two weeks ago, left a fantastic, Stevie Wonder bloodtrail for 30 yards-- 200 yard shot (impact velocity around 2350fps and 875ft/lbs) I then smoked two small 75lb pigs on the way out both of which were headshot and DRT @ 25 yards.

The Federal 64gr BSB (a Nosler bullet BTW) is a law enforcement favorite and has favorable reviews and gel/barrier test results-- given the accuracy it provided and solid velocities I wouldn't hesitate to use it on deer or eating size pigs.
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Old 12-29-2019, 11:22 PM   #13
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Thanks duckhunter. What is that Federal ammo specifically? Like name on box or picture, Iím getting old. Thanks,


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Old 12-30-2019, 12:35 AM   #14
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I shoot Federal 62gr bonded soft point Law Enforcement round. Load number is LE223T3.

It is designed to both penetrate and expand.

My fartherest shot ever on a deer was 117 yards with that round. It was quartering at me and my shot went through the ball on the left shoulder, the heart and both lungs and came out the other side with about a 50 caliber hole.

I am curious if the Federal 62gr Fusion is the same bonded round but not LE labeled. Anyway, I have not tried the others but I can guarantee this one works. Iím sure that some of the others are great.

The last few deer that I have killed with a rifle have been with this round. None have gone more than 20 yards and each had a large exit hole. The round is designed to go through car windshields, plywood, wallboard and other barriers while still penetrating deep and expanding to an average of over .40 through all barriers. So far deer ribs and shoulder bones have not fared very well either.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:50 AM   #15
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I shoot Federal 62gr bonded soft point Law Enforcement round. Load number is LE223T3.



I am curious if the Federal 62gr Fusion is the same bonded round but not LE labeled. Anyway, I have not tried the others but I can guarantee this one works. Iím sure that some of the others are great.

I can confirm that it is. Was provided the info by a Hornady employee that had first hand knowledge of such info. Itís cheaper cause it doesnít have a nickel case and doesnít say tactical



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Old 12-30-2019, 01:42 AM   #16
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DoubleTap 62 grain TSX
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Old 12-30-2019, 06:57 AM   #17
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These are on sale right now about $18/box

Just for comparison the fusion normally runs 18-20 a box when NOT on sale but thatís not uncommon for anything with Barnes name on it.


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Old 12-30-2019, 10:20 AM   #18
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Thanks duckhunter. What is that Federal ammo specifically? Like name on box or picture, Iím getting old. Thanks,


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Just to clarify- federal makes a wide range of LE ammo- both 62 AND 64 grain.

Here is the stuff I tested- https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fede...l-p-58967.aspx

T223L is the modeló and it is a Nosler 64gr bonded flat base bullet, not a 62gr normal soft point. It runs $15/box

Based off others experiences it sounds like the 62gr could be an excellent choice as well!!
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Old 12-30-2019, 10:58 AM   #19
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Ive been having good results with the Federal 55 gain Power Shok.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:36 PM   #20
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Pretty much any soft point and preferably boded Bullet is preferred. Federal used to make a 62 grain bear claw load that was perfect for 2.23/5.56 on medium size game.

This current loading would be a great choice as well.

https://www.federalpremium.com/rifle.../11-P223Q.html

IMO the Partition or Swift A Frame Bullets are the perfect medium game Bullet. You get great expansion along with a sold base for penetration. I just wish they would come up with a polymer tip for them.

Please just avoid ballistic tip varmint style bullets. Will they kill? Yes as long as conditions and shot placement are perfect.


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Old 12-31-2019, 09:55 AM   #21
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Here is some data, do with it as you please!

Fired TODAY (12/29/19) from a 16" 1-7 twist, Noveske w/ 1-6x
Temp: 50F Wind: 8mph SW Humidity: 75% (no rain)

Winchester 50gr Ballistic Silvertip (G1 .267, length .810" advertised @ 3410fps)
3110, 3115, 3133 fps

Winchester 64gr Bonded Solid Base (G1 .230, length .787" advertised @2935fps)
2774, 2784, 2799 fps

Federal 64gr Bonded (certain its the same bullet, different powder/primer) (G1. 230, length .787" advertised @3050fps)
2900, 2923, 2932

Hornady Superformance 73gr ELDM (G1 .398, Length 1.046" advertised @ 2935fps)
2751, 2826, 2821


As you can see all were significantly slower than advertised with the Federal and Hornady being closest to "As advertised".

All 4 shot 1" or better 3rd groups at 100 yards. BOTH Win and Fed 64 shot the same POI. The Hornady was within an inch and the Win BST was 2" high (and 300+fps faster)

I've run the Hornady Superformance to 400 yards with my 1-6x BDC to learn my holds and it was very, VERY consistent. I was shocked at the deviation in velocity BUT it could be a fluke as even a small amount of that Hornady powder would cause some swings. More testing.

TERMINAL- The Hornady is the only one of the four that I have tried on game--The 73gr ELDM absolutely crushed my biggest free range buck ever about two weeks ago, left a fantastic, Stevie Wonder bloodtrail for 30 yards-- 200 yard shot (impact velocity around 2350fps and 875ft/lbs) I then smoked two small 75lb pigs on the way out both of which were headshot and DRT @ 25 yards.

The Federal 64gr BSB (a Nosler bullet BTW) is a law enforcement favorite and has favorable reviews and gel/barrier test results-- given the accuracy it provided and solid velocities I wouldn't hesitate to use it on deer or eating size pigs.

I'm guessing their advertised velocity was tested with a 24 or 26 inch barrel.
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Old 12-31-2019, 10:11 AM   #22
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Winchester 64 grain Hog Special is the best I have found.
This is what my AR likes the best.
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Old 12-31-2019, 11:17 AM   #23
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My Bushmaster loves the Speer Gold Dot LE ammunition with the 75 grain Gold Dot. It shoots sub MOA and I used it this weekend to kill a couple of javi's at about 60 yards. DRT. I used to use the Winchester Ranger 64 grain PowerPoint and I've killed several axis, both bucks and does with it. The does were complete pass-throughs, but the bucks were not. None of them traveled over 30 yards.
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Old 12-31-2019, 11:26 AM   #24
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First choice: Speer Gold Dot 75Gr.
Second choice: Federal Fusion 62Gr.
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Old 12-31-2019, 11:52 AM   #25
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69 gr Sierra matchking in front of 24.5 grs of Varget.


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Old 12-31-2019, 11:59 AM   #26
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Another vote for the 75 grain Gold Dot. It's been very accurate/consistent in every rifle I have shot it in, and works great on both hogs and deer.
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Old 12-31-2019, 01:26 PM   #27
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Winchester 64 grain Hog Special is the best I have found.
FWIW - I've used that ammo with good effect on deer and turkeys.

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Old 12-31-2019, 09:47 PM   #28
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[QUOTE=BDKeeling
69 gr Sierra matchking in front of 24.5 grs of Varget.
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Whoa! How big is that
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Old 12-31-2019, 11:38 PM   #29
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69 gr Sierra matchking in front of 24.5 grs of Varget.


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Looks like you found another one that didnít get the memo.

Good shooting. How much did it weigh?


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Old 01-01-2020, 10:20 AM   #30
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Looks like you found another one that didnít get the memo.

Good shooting. How much did it weigh?


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He weighed 335 lbs.


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Old 01-02-2020, 12:57 PM   #31
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Hornady sells their 50gr and 55gr GMX in 223 and both of those should work pretty well for you.
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Old 01-03-2020, 03:05 AM   #32
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I've killed 2 100-pound sows with Hornady 55 grain soft point ammo. The kind that comes in the 50 round box.
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Old 01-03-2020, 01:36 PM   #33
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He weighed 335 lbs.


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This will give you an idea how thick he was.


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Old 01-03-2020, 09:29 PM   #34
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I've killed 2 100-pound sows with Hornady 55 grain soft point ammo. The kind that comes in the 50 round box.
I love the stuff. It is remarkably accurate in my AR.
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Old 01-03-2020, 09:56 PM   #35
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Dang that thing was quite the chunk.


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