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Old 01-20-2020, 10:07 PM   #1
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Realistically how much STX brush can a Cat D4C dozer clear in about 4-5 hours? My brother is wanting to make a new sendero and with travel time the operator will only have around 4-5 hours to work in 1 day. Heís wanting it to be 100 yards long and about 10 yards wide. And if time is left on the clock maybe clean up some fence line as well.
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:12 PM   #2
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1. 10 yards wide wonít stay wide very long.

2. Depends on size of the brush but I would thing he could knock out 20yds x 100yds in a couple hours if he is just shoving the brush back. If he is wanting brush piled or much dress up done he will run short on time.
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:30 PM   #3
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1. 10 yards wide wonít stay wide very long.

2. Depends on size of the brush but I would thing he could knock out 20yds x 100yds in a couple hours if he is just shoving the brush back. If he is wanting brush piled or much dress up done he will run short on time.
Youíre absolutely right, Iíll let him know he should go wider. Itís gona be pushed back no burn piles.
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:39 PM   #4
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Old 01-21-2020, 07:55 AM   #5
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:08 AM   #6
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What kind of brush and soil?
I know with my dozer I could clear more than 10 x 100 yards
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:15 AM   #7
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easy with the right operator...
Morales dozer there near Lopeno charged me like 2 grand to come out for a few days and he ran 100 acres of perimeter fence and several cross senderos. perimeter was at least 15 wide
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Old 01-27-2020, 10:49 PM   #8
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This is how the brush is, not too many mature mesquites. Theyíre sporadic in this area of the lease.
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Old 01-28-2020, 12:00 AM   #9
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This is how the brush is, not too many mature mesquites. Theyíre sporadic in this area of the lease.
You could knock the dog out of that in short order with a D4
Probably even a big batwing bush hog it doesnít look overwhelming from the picture
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:29 AM   #10
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I would think you would get as much cleared with a mulcher as you would with a dozer with no brush piles.
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:33 AM   #11
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I think the plan is to push the brush back. A new sendero needs to be made but the LO won’t allow a controlled fire to burn the piles. If there’s time left we are hoping the operator can clear the existing road a bit. How do y’all leave your fence lines? Do you clear them to the fence or leave a little bit of brush on there for coverage?

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Old 01-28-2020, 07:41 AM   #12
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We run both dozer and mulcher. I would use a mulcher on that type of brush. You won't have any brush piles to deal with since the owner doesn't want you to burn. And the mulcher will make a clean job. It won't be quite as fast though.
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Old 01-28-2020, 08:01 AM   #13
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I think the plan is to push the brush back. A new sendero needs to be made but the LO wonít allow a controlled fire to burn the piles. If thereís time left we are hoping the operator can clear existing road a bit. How do yíall leave your fence lines? Do you clear them to the fence or leave a little bit of brush on there for coverage?
I personally like fence lines brushy , seems to hold more quail.
But that can be subjective, the mulching of roads might open the ground for new forbs
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Old 01-28-2020, 08:51 AM   #14
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After it’s dozed I’m gona hit it with 24d roundup and some other herbicides.
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Old 01-28-2020, 09:09 AM   #15
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3 blades wide and why just 100 yards I would not spray after because you want weeds and new growth to come back. You can shred
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Old 01-28-2020, 09:27 AM   #16
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3 blades wide and why just 100 yards I would not spray after because you want weeds and new growth to come back. You can shred
The 100 yards was thought of because of the time frame, since the driver has to travel he will only be able to work 4-5 hours max that day. Itís hard to say if the funds will allow for a 2nd day of work.
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Old 01-28-2020, 09:34 AM   #17
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The 100 yards was thought of because of the time frame, since the driver has to travel he will only be able to work 4-5 hours max that day. Itís hard to say if the funds will allow for a 2nd day of work.
Not sure why yall dont rent or hire a skid steer. That brush could be handled by a skid steer easily.
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Old 01-28-2020, 11:54 AM   #18
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Not sure why yall dont rent or hire a skid steer. That brush could be handled by a skid steer easily.
Thatís a option too, just trying to see what can get the work done and at the least expensive route.
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Old 01-28-2020, 02:09 PM   #19
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If the operator is good, you'll get done what your wanting to do.
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Old 01-28-2020, 02:29 PM   #20
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Shouldn't be a problem with a good operator. If the ground is fairly wet, it should help a lot. The only problem you run into is the small trees breaking off at the base and having to work the stumps out. If it's real dry, it's obviously harder to get the trees out without them breaking at the base.

I'm not a mulching fan at all. Leaves stumps and takes longer.

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Old 01-28-2020, 02:29 PM   #21
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I'd wait until I had enough money for two days, if you are set on the dozer. Get all your work done plus a little extra maybe? Steak, beer and bunk might have the operator up early on day 2? Shredder or brush cutter might be options since it isn't too bad.
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Old 01-28-2020, 03:34 PM   #22
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I'd wait until I had enough money for two days, if you are set on the dozer. Get all your work done plus a little extra maybe? Steak, beer and bunk might have the operator up early on day 2? Shredder or brush cutter might be options since it isn't too bad.
That might have to be the plan.
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Old 01-28-2020, 03:44 PM   #23
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We had a fence line cleared a while back. Just over 3,000ft and 20-30 ft wide. They did it in about 8 hours and it had some big trees in there.

I would recommend a skidsteer with a mulching head or the landshark shredder.
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Shouldn't be a problem with a good operator. If the ground is fairly wet, it should help a lot. The only problem you run into is the small trees breaking off at the base and having to work the stumps out. If it's real dry, it's obviously harder to get the trees out without them breaking at the base.

I'm not a mulching fan at all. Leaves stumps and takes longer.


X2 on the mulching. Never been much of a fan of it after we had our place done. WAY to many stumps to deal with afterwards and a good dozer operator would run circles around a mulching rig.

Good operator will knock that project out well within that time frame.
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Old 01-28-2020, 03:56 PM   #25
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If your end goal is to have a cleared sendero then definitely donít mulch it. Dozer is the way to go


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X2 on the mulching. Never been much of a fan of it after we had our place done. WAY to many stumps to deal with afterwards and a good dozer operator would run circles around a mulching rig.

Good operator will knock that project out well within that time frame.
We learned the hard way. Spent a lot of money to learn how much better a track loader/dozer is. Our guy used one of the largest mulching machines available (Barko 930). My buddy that finished out the clearing for us has done three times the work in the same amount of time with a mid sized track loader.

I work for a large scale excavation company. We have over 100 pieces of equipment, and none are mulchers.

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Why is that? A dozer is great in some instances. Only issue I have is the footprint of disturbance you are left with. Skid steer with tree shear or even a bucket can do some work fast in South Texas.
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Old 01-28-2020, 04:44 PM   #28
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To kill mesquite you need to get the roots out. Shredding/mulching will just spread it and it will be that much harder to kill next time


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Why is that? A dozer is great in some instances. Only issue I have is the footprint of disturbance you are left with. Skid steer with tree shear or even a bucket can do some work fast in South Texas.
If the landowner is fine with pushing the brush piles in the brush and leaving them, the dozer will be much faster. What's the big deal with disturbed ground? Deer love fresh growth.
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It may be a good idea to check with the landowner if he was wanting anything done himself (that he would pay for).
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Old 01-28-2020, 04:54 PM   #31
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Why is that? A dozer is great in some instances. Only issue I have is the footprint of disturbance you are left with. Skid steer with tree shear or even a bucket can do some work fast in South Texas.
Well for one stumps. Not sure what you mean by disturbance? You can grade the area out once your done pushing brush with a dozer. A d4 is small dozer. It's not like he's coming in there with a D9.

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We learned the hard way. Spent a lot of money to learn how much better a track loader/dozer is. Our guy used one of the largest mulching machines available (Barko 930). My buddy that finished out the clearing for us has done three times the work in the same amount of time with a mid sized track loader.

I work for a large scale excavation company. We have over 100 pieces of equipment, and none are mulchers.
Same here. Spent a chunck of change on our place gettingnit mulched only to be left with huge stumps right on the surface. Spent some time dealing with those.
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:27 PM   #33
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Same here. Spent a chunck of change on our place gettingnit mulched only to be left with huge stumps right on the surface. Spent some time dealing with those.
Where y’all mulching cedar in rocky terrain?
That sand country should be able to be mulched below the surface
I would rent a skid loader for the weekend and get busy pushing brush or hire a big shredder, hard to judge from one picture

A 1/2 ton truck should be able to pull a rental
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:32 PM   #34
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Where y’all mulching cedar in rocky terrain?
That sand country should be able to be mulched below the surface
I would rent a skid loader for the weekend and get busy pushing brush or hire a big shredder, hard to judge from one picture

A 1/2 ton truck should be able to pull a rental
It doesn't matter what terrain, mulchers can't dig into the ground to get any stumps out. Skid steers or the large log skidder Barko styles.

The area we had cleared was clay river bottom. Zero rock.
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:00 PM   #35
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We are pretty set on getting the dozer out there, it’s the time frame that’s the concern. With only 4-5 tractor hours in a work day. Might have to go for 2 days.
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:04 PM   #36
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Unless youíre hiring someone special from out of town, nobody should be charging you drive time to get to their dozer. 8 hour day is 8 hours of dozer work. Nobodyís charging me 100+/hr to drive to work.


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Old 01-28-2020, 07:34 PM   #37
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He’s about 1.5 hours from my lease. Charges $65 a hour including travel and it’s only a 8 hour day that includes driving.
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