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Old 01-13-2020, 05:18 PM   #251
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Which is why I was a so disappointed the scope of the investigation wasnt broader. There were several other teams suspected but they are getting to walk on it. The Astros are the scapegoat of the cheating scandal. They get that wear that badge.
If they get some evidence that Cora was doing the same thing in 2018 for the Red Sox, then they will get hit with a bigger punishment than the Astros.
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What the Astros did can ruin a pitchers career.

They need to forfeit the trophy.
No they don't. The people responsible have been punished.
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Just curious because I couldn't find it. I find it odd since he was mainly involved in amateur scouting and the draft.
He was Luhnow's right hand man though in 2017. Probably an erroneous report that go ahead of itself in that the reporter didnt do his due diligence before putting it out there. You know.....you gots to be first to report it and then we can verify it later.
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He was Luhnow's right hand man though in 2017. Probably an erroneous report that go ahead of itself in that the reporter didnt do his due diligence before putting it out there. You know.....you gots to be first to report it and then we can verify it later.
For sure, though Passan is considered one of the more conscientious baseball writers.
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If they get some evidence that Cora was doing the same thing in 2018 for the Red Sox, then they will get hit with a bigger punishment than the Astros.
I think Cora is going to get smashed by the league when the Boston investigation is done. With him being the supposed mastermind and then taking it to another team it isnt going to be pretty for him. Hinch got suspended 1 yr and fired for turning a blind eye to it. Cora has to get more.
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Was sucks is that they didn't have to cheat.

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For sure, though Passan is considered one of the more conscientious baseball writers.
I dont do twitter so relied on a friend that follows baseball stuff on there closely. Apparently I should do my own due diligence.
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Crane is now the Jerry Jones of baseball...he thinks he put this team together. Cheating or not..Luhnow was a mastermind.
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I think Cora is going to get smashed by the league when the Boston investigation is done. With him being the supposed mastermind and then taking it to another team it isnt going to be pretty for him. Hinch got suspended 1 yr and fired for turning a blind eye to it. Cora has to get more.
Yeah, he is toast.
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Crane is now the Jerry Jones of baseball...he thinks he put this team together. Cheating or not..Luhnow was a mastermind.
Oh Lord please dont let it be so....
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My guess is that they promote bench coach Joe Espada to manager. He is well respected around the league and was a legit managerial candidate this off season.

I have no idea on GM. There aren't any internal candidates and I would assume that Luhnow's guys with other clubs are considered toxic.
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I think Cora is going to get smashed by the league when the Boston investigation is done. With him being the supposed mastermind and then taking it to another team it isnt going to be pretty for him. Hinch got suspended 1 yr and fired for turning a blind eye to it. Cora has to get more.


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Lifetime ban for cora. Architect.
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You think a single pitcher lost their career because the WS Champs lit them up......
Will harris got paid to join them
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The 2017 MLB Champions*
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:10 PM   #268
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Cora is soooo banned.
This report is slaying him... NO WAY they say the things the did and he's allowed to stay in mlb..
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The 2017 MLB Champions*
Thats cute. Come up with it yourself?
You should post that on twitter. You'd be famous.
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MLB owners have marked their calendars for the day Luhnow’s suspension is over.

He will be highly coveted...

Freakin...Jerry Crane - ugh
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MLB owners have marked their calendars for the day Luhnowís suspension is over.

He will be highly coveted...

Freakin...Jerry Crane - ugh
He's getting paid in 2021 for sure

Hinch too.
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Christmas came early this year.
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No they don't. The people responsible have been punished.
The people who did it were the astros, players, coaches, mgmt.
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Cora is soooo banned.
This report is slaying him... NO WAY they say the things the did and he's allowed to stay in mlb..
He will be banned a year just like Hinch, they did the same thing. And both will get off lightly
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He will be banned a year just like Hinch, they did the same thing. And both will get off lightly
Uh.. no they didnt. Read the report.
You're 0 for 2 ...are you sure this thread is for you?

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The people who did it were the astros, players, coaches, mgmt.
Correct. Fire the payers, too. ALL of them. They were all in on it. Burn it down.
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Correct. Fire the payers, too. ALL of them. They were all in on it. Burn it down.
And the beer guy in sec 118 ...somebiscuit never had XX for the wife so i always had to go get it... pretty sure he was in on it too.. fire him..
And the guy running the timer for the kids base race... no way that fat kid got under a minute ....FIXED!
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And the beer guy in sec 118 ...somebiscuit never had XX for the wife so i always had to go get it... pretty sure he was in on it too.. fire him..
And the guy running the timer for the kids base race... no way that fat kid got under a minute ....FIXED!
Iím cool if we implode Enron, I mean Minute Maid.
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Astros hire B.J Finch as HC.
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Sent email re: season tickets refund. Let’s see if they even respond before I escalate.
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Uh.. no they didnt. Read the report.
You're 0 for 2 ...are you sure this thread is for you?
No ****....I think he is parroting what he heard on CNN.
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They are fining teams who try to steal signs ...hahahaha..got out just in time .

Ok...I feel a need to speak out, normal is changing, and today's norm is not the norm.
For 26 years I was in the big leagues , 10 as a player, 16 as a 3rd base coach , 20 if you count the other years learning the craft in the minor leagues , from Boise , to Wichita. The seriousness of the writer, the expertise from the front office man, the commissioner, to those who have never lived it. Here it is...I have 25 World Series games under my belt, 7 elimination games, and a 7th game of a World Series. 5 World Series ,3 World Championships I know it don't mean much to those in front of a computer, with the answers and all the rules. So I'm gonna make a long story short. I had a video camera on every 3rd base coach every single night, I spent hours logging tapes trying to steal your signs and finding a way to beat you. You as well did it, in New York I knew the Valentine Mets did it, I knew the Cubs did it, I knew the Dbacks, St. Louis did it, I caught them, that's when the fun begins , you **** em up by changing signs, you tell the boys " if I put a hit and run on first pitch don't do anything, they will pitch out and now they don't have the signs, and you're in a hitters count" the list goes on and on.....if you aren't smart enough ( and believe me this isn't rocket science, it's being somewhat aware) it's your fault, now the game is turned into no breaking up double plays , don't slide hard at home, don't block the plate.if you are not creative enough to derail them, you've stopped thinking. As far as some of the greatest baseball writers who I love, read and listen to, and hang with. You are so off on the sign stuff. It's a high stakes poker game, big money especially as coaches . If you get caught , if your signs are stolen and you don't know in the moment they are close, they are on you...your not thinking, and now because of that the commissioner comes in not understanding, the writers write stealing signs is wrong. We had an advance scout that could watch your 3rd base coach for 3 days and be real close to getting his signs. He would send his report and I would watch you, or have a camera on you, if you haven't played , you don't understand how important this part of the game should be. You don't understand I would not only try and steal your hit and run sign, I would put our hit and run on that my guys knew, then in the same sequence put the other teams hit and run on so when they look at their cameras that we all used to steal the signs they would see and in their minds " **** they have the same sign for hit and run we have". It's propaganda war fare, its trying to beat you......so why you claim people aren't watching baseball because it takes to long, I say your taking the smarts out of it. ...I tried every night for 16 years to steal your signs either writing every thing you did down, or by looking at tapes because I had a camera on you, just like you had on me. Please leave the game alone, and every writer who wrote articles on this..be in church Sunday,because I know for a fact everyone of you looked at body language , vibe, and found a way to snake another writer to get the feature, get the win., leaving it with no creativity, no thinking, and the dumbing down of the greatest game ever......not that I know anything about it....
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After reading the report I can’t believe Crane fired either one of them. I could maybe understand letting Hinch go but seems to me breaking two monitors showed where he stood on the issue. Knee jerk reaction by the owner.
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After reading the report I canít believe Crane fired either one of them. I could maybe understand letting Hinch go but seems to me breaking two monitors showed where he stood on the issue. Knee jerk reaction by the owner.
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Boy I sure hated to see them get fired. It was the best thing we had going.

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Mike Stanton told us tonight he thinks espeda gets the nod..
Biggio wont be offered..and this is a quote "he has a very guarded personality and wouldnt mesh well with office and players from a HC standpoint"
Berkmans name was mentioned but hes a bit of a wildcard and not..controlled..
Bagwell is out because of obvious reasons..(trust)

He also said crane has mentioned before..he wanted more control...and be more involved.. and yes- "jerryjoneslike" was stated.. so..dont see a GM in the near future..

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What a **** show. I don't know what's more upsetting... that the Astros are &&$#@ out of the great staff and upcoming draft picks or that other teams are all doing versions of the same thing with no repercussions. I bet if it was the Yankees or dodgers it would have been a "misdemeanor" instead of a felony.
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What a **** show. I don't know what's more upsetting... that the Astros are &&$#@ out of the great staff and upcoming draft picks or that other teams are all doing versions of the same thing with no repercussions. I bet if it was the Yankees or dodgers it would have been a "misdemeanor" instead of a felony.
What do you mean IF they were doing it? The Yankees were caught doing it in 2017 with the YES network camera. They got a mere slap on the hand. I would be shocked if the majority of teams werent doing something similar. But Ive become a cynic in my old aged so maybe Im just jaded. There is a lot of cheating going on in all levels of sports. And let's not even get into the cheating going on in politics and business. It really has become almost normal unfortunately.
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After reading the report I canít believe Crane fired either one of them. I could maybe understand letting Hinch go but seems to me breaking two monitors showed where he stood on the issue. Knee jerk reaction by the owner.


He could have stopped it...and didnt.


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[QUOTE=systemnt;14639273]
He also said crane has mentioned before..he wanted more control...and be more involved.. and yes- "jerryjoneslike" was stated.. so..dont see a GM in the near future..

Great, another owner that thinks he knows what best for the team over the staff he hired...




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He could have stopped it...and didnt.


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Yup. Report also showed beltran was a co-architect and heavily involved in its use...
What all teams did he play for again?
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Not like they haven't been warned or talked to about it previously. Keep thumbing your nose up at the league and eventually they will get enough.
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and your rangers still wont amount to sh*t in the AL West
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Not like they haven't been warned or talked to about it previously. Keep thumbing your nose up at the league and eventually they will get enough.
League didnt fire them.
Crane did.
it was a business decision to protect his brand and satisfy sponsors and advertisers.
Nothing more.
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