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Old 01-10-2020, 06:20 PM   #1
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I believe this has come up several times but, I'm not 100% sure of the answer. With the wildlife exemption you still get the exact same tax break as AG exempt, buying equipment?
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:39 PM   #2
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Yes, wildlife is a type of ag exception with the same tax implications.
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:03 PM   #3
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Not the same sales tax implications!!!!

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Old 01-10-2020, 07:17 PM   #4
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Ag exemption saves me property taxes and sales tax on certain items. Can't say on wildlife. Odd that all feed at feed store is tax free regardless but not at buccees or other places....
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Don't think so
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With wildlife exemption you get property tax relief. You don't get an exempt tax number that you can give to stores so they don't charge you tax. Ag Exempt = some exemption on purchases. Wildlife Management = no exemption on purchases.
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If you plant plots or feed wildlife, no tax exemptions?
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In regards to buying equipment, no. You are not issued a tax id number with wildlife that you can use towards tax free purchases

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So, from what I know, you get the same property tax rate as you had under AG when you convert to wildlife. So, if you have livestock, bees, trees, etc., it would be at that rate.

As far as sales tax exemption.... let your conscience be your guide. . Obtaining a tax exemption status is pretty dang easy, even a caveman could do it.
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While we are on the subject. Our land owner has recently asked us to send him our feed receipts for his wildlife exemption. Is this normal?

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Old 01-10-2020, 08:38 PM   #11
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I just let my Ag/Timber expire. I wasn't using it like it was designed for anymore. My friends think I should have kept it.
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Old 01-10-2020, 09:25 PM   #12
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With wildlife exemption you get property tax relief. You don't get an exempt tax number that you can give to stores so they don't charge you tax. Ag Exempt = some exemption on purchases. Wildlife Management = no exemption on purchases.


Exactly right. No reason that you canít have both. We converted from AG to wildlife and itís same rates etc however their are allot of boxes to check and so far they have sent an agent EVERY year to verify we are managing enough to keep the exemption.

Ag/timber is the Easy one that saves on equipment etc
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Old 01-10-2020, 09:36 PM   #13
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Taking about two separate issues. Ag/wildlife is filed in the county at the tax office and deals with property tax.
Ag/timber Is filed on line with the state and deals with sales tax.
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I just let my Ag/Timber expire. I wasn't using it like it was designed for anymore. My friends think I should have kept it.
Oh my.....get ready, if you take land out of ag the appraisal district will.hit you for 5 years back taxes at normal appraised rate, 2 acres cost me $5000
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Not the same a farm tax number I know, just a warning. Didn't realize wildlife didn't get same tax breaks on stuff
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Old 01-10-2020, 09:44 PM   #16
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I have Ag exempt on my place and my FIL has Wildlife on his. We both have the ag/timber card and both get sales tax relief.
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Oh my.....get ready, if you take land out of ag the appraisal district will.hit you for 5 years back taxes at normal appraised rate, 2 acres cost me $5000
Plus 7% interest on each of those years.

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Old 01-10-2020, 09:57 PM   #18
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Thank y’all, I’m going to stay ag/timber. I’m knocking around the idea of stocker calves anyway. I believe in Fayette co I’m only required to have 2 calves, 1 unit, per 8 ac.
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Plus 7% interest on each of those years.

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Yea donít do that unless you are selling it or truly changing use.
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Old 01-10-2020, 10:04 PM   #20
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Things may have changed but my land sold and gone in Oatmeal, Burnet County was Basic ag and I changed to Wildlife Agricultural Appraisal. The term Exemption does not apply best of my knowledge to either and is misused but simple to comprehend so ok to say exempt in my book. Ag is based on possible profits and Wildlife is a separate entity and results in similar property evaluations with different rules. And both qualified for tax free purchases directly applied to the property such as feed, troughs, and most if not all equipment for the purpose. Basically the same with different quirks. I moved the cattle as I did not want to do beef and went to wildlife. It is tough because it is an area known to be abused to not pay taxes. Properly done, awesome. TX P&W helped me set up. Super folks.
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Plus 7% interest on each of those years.

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I didn't even pick up on that little jewel......take out of ag pay 5 yrs back taxes.....want to go into ag wait 5 yrs.....10yr cash swing for taxing entities
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Yea donít do that unless you are selling it or truly changing use.
Sell it as ag let new owners change it......farm ground everywhere in my area for sale to be developed...
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Old 01-10-2020, 10:18 PM   #23
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Plus 7% interest on each of those years.

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I did not know or forgot about interest? Wow. I new about the 5 years and no longer looking local near Austin for any dirt due to the insane value increases. But interest on top. Ouch. Guess my loss previous land sales and my subdivision home is where I am at. Thank you Lord for what I have.
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:58 PM   #24
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While we are on the subject. Our land owner has recently asked us to send him our feed receipts for his wildlife exemption. Is this normal?

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We have a wildlife exemption on our place. We have to send in receipts at end of year for protein fed, because it is one of our criteria for our exemption.
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Old 01-11-2020, 12:01 AM   #25
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I just let my Ag/Timber expire. I wasn't using it like it was designed for anymore. My friends think I should have kept it.
You should not have let it expire. You were growing trees...or rather your trees were going? Yes, you were a tree farmer...itís not hard. Every year, I cut firewood and donate it to needy families.
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Old 01-11-2020, 08:54 AM   #26
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While we are on the subject. Our land owner has recently asked us to send him our feed receipts for his wildlife exemption. Is this normal?

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The land owner has to put together a wildlife report each year. We show all our receipts as proof that we did the management practices we said we did.
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:30 AM   #27
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Burnet County never asked for any reports but I was required to have the records "of proof" etc. on hand and file a specific plan put together with a Texas P&W Biologist who was awesome helping me out with this. I did document everything but never was asked for anything. The appraiser was very helpful nice fellow and told me he traveled the area to observe the properties activities which I do not know how that identified much? I was looking at Williamson County properties and they were not friendly about this matter at all so steered clear. Burnet may now ask for reports? My info is all dated over 10 years ago so changes may have occurred.
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Grayson county Ag guy was very helpful to us. He also believes the 5 yrs back taxes and 5 yrars to get into Ag are a scam
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Plus 7% interest on each of those years.

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Actually this just changed to 3 yrs and 5% interest. Which is better but still an idiotic tax, IMO.
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:08 AM   #30
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For the ad valorem (property tax) side of this discussion, both are considered 1-D-1 exemptions and carry the same tax benefit to the Owner.
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:11 AM   #31
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These changes should have started Sept. 1, 2019

The other side of this is that you letting it lapse does not necessarily trigger the roll back taxes. It is actually trigger with a "change of use" of the property.

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Old 01-11-2020, 10:14 AM   #32
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Final thought, you can also let the land lay "fallow" for one year and still maintain your 1-D-1.
Most taxing authorities won't tell you this.
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Actually this just changed to 3 yrs and 5% interest. Which is better but still an idiotic tax, IMO.
I led the legislative division at the comptroller's office a few years. I thought I had heard they changed to 3 years recently. Doubled checked it before I posted, but they have not updated their web page. That wouldn't have happened back in my day

https://comptroller.texas.gov/taxes/...mber/index.php

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Old 01-11-2020, 10:22 AM   #34
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Here is some very helpful information of changes that were made regarding land used for agricultural purpose.

HB 1743 was passed and amends sections 23.55 and 23.76 of the Property Tax Code regarding the appraisal methods and procedures in Texas. Specific changes made to the Property Tax Code are in regards to rollback taxes for agricultural land. Land that is converted from agricultural use to non-agricultural use will still incur a rollback tax. However, starting September 1, 2019 the number of years for a rollback tax bill for changing to a non-agricultural use will be reduced from five years to three years and the interest rate imposed on a rollback tax bill is also reduced from 7% to 5%.

Source: Dr. Blake Bennett, Associate Professor and Extension Economist, Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Service
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While we are on the subject. Our land owner has recently asked us to send him our feed receipts for his wildlife exemption. Is this normal?

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Wildlife exemption requires an annual report of what practices he did during the year to improve property and wildlife - I just sent mine in for 2019 - pretty simple to do - keep pictures of bird houses, trapping coons, etc., feeding fish in ponds, Pretty simple - best part is that the county appraisal district does not physically check on your property like they do on Ag
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:59 AM   #36
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Ag exemption saves me property taxes and sales tax on certain items. Can't say on wildlife. Odd that all feed at feed store is tax free regardless but not at buccees or other places....
I got into this several years back and wrote the Texas AG. Got a letter back stating all wildlife feed is tax exempt and I used to carry a copy to show to the hard headed dealers and give them a copy. Either Buccees is keeping the taxes as additional profit or the state is getting a windfall tax benefit.
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Here is some very helpful information of changes that were made regarding land used for agricultural purpose.

HB 1743 was passed and amends sections 23.55 and 23.76 of the Property Tax Code regarding the appraisal methods and procedures in Texas. Specific changes made to the Property Tax Code are in regards to rollback taxes for agricultural land. Land that is converted from agricultural use to non-agricultural use will still incur a rollback tax. However, starting September 1, 2019 the number of years for a rollback tax bill for changing to a non-agricultural use will be reduced from five years to three years and the interest rate imposed on a rollback tax bill is also reduced from 7% to 5%.

Source: Dr. Blake Bennett, Associate Professor and Extension Economist, Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Service
Still ridiculous, it shouldn't retro 1 day.
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Ag exemption is super duper easy. Throw a couple goats on your place. Done. Or let a neighbor graze for a couple days. Done. I was worried about this when I bought my place 3 years ago and it’s so so easy.
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Nobody has ever physically inspected my place for ag. They send a form once a year and ask you to check boxes of what you do. Box checked for cattle. Done.



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Wildlife exemption requires an annual report of what practices he did during the year to improve property and wildlife - I just sent mine in for 2019 - pretty simple to do - keep pictures of bird houses, trapping coons, etc., feeding fish in ponds, Pretty simple - best part is that the county appraisal district does not physically check on your property like they do on Ag
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What is the minimum amount of land you can own and still get a wildlife exemption?
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If land is in Ag use already, it is super easy to just rollover into wildlife instead.

If trying to get land entered into tax exemption status either Ag or wildlife...not sure on acres needed
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If land is in Ag use already, it is super easy to just rollover into wildlife instead.

If trying to get land entered into tax exemption status either Ag or wildlife...not sure on acres needed
Its county specific
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Old 01-12-2020, 12:18 PM   #43
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Grayson county its minimum of 10 acres, different criterias.....x amount of momma cows, x amount of stocker calves, x amount of hay, x amount of trees, x amount of brerding mares (3), etc......oh and bee hives
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Nobody has ever physically inspected my place for ag. They send a form once a year and ask you to check boxes of what you do. Box checked for cattle. Done.
You may not know that they are out looking at your place - they do not give you a heads up - depends on county you are in - many of them use google maps to see if you have livestock on your property during the year - where I am they drive out and check your property and see if there are cows or sheep on the property
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You should not have let it expire. You were growing trees...or rather your trees were going? Yes, you were a tree farmer...itís not hard. Every year, I cut firewood and donate it to needy families.
It wasn't on land that I owned. I leased a property and was raising chickens and quail mostly as well as cutting and selling wood. The ag was tax exemption on products related to raising poultry.
I moved and bought a place where you can not raise anything but horses.
I assume it should not affect me seeing how is was not property.
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If land is in Ag use already, it is super easy to just rollover into wildlife instead.

If trying to get land entered into tax exemption status either Ag or wildlife...not sure on acres needed
Not an answer as unsure where the rules have gone but to take land in to an ag type appraisal from non ag whether wildlife or peaches, it used to take 5 years of records and proof in most central counties while paying full tax value. The counties did used to and probably still do write their own requirements. And what qualifies. It is difficult to come from scratch. Much easier to keep an existing ag if buying land and size varies a lot. Around 15 acres in the easier areas and larger in some. Once upon a time you could put a goat on an acre or 2 and get tax relief. Doubt that exists anywhere today? I have owned small to moderate sized land. This no cup of tea. It can be done! I now own a lot in a suburb. Man we never learn sometimes .
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We are under wildlife exemption. I document everything we do related to that via pictures, keeping equipment, feed, seed, fertilizer receipts, etc etc.
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20 acres minimum to qualify for wildlife exception.
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You may not know that they are out looking at your place - they do not give you a heads up - depends on county you are in - many of them use google maps to see if you have livestock on your property during the year - where I am they drive out and check your property and see if there are cows or sheep on the property
We have a Wildlife exemption and what we have been told is the county uses satellite and flies the county to check and see if you are up to date. County sent us a aerial picture of our place and asked where all our food plots are,to draw them in on the map.
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We have a Wildlife exemption and what we have been told is the county uses satellite and flies the county to check and see if you are up to date. County sent us a aerial picture of our place and asked where all our food plots are,to draw them in on the map.
Our appraisal, Grayson, using satellite images also. This also worked to my advantage, they took 2 acres out of Ag. Went in and talked to Ag guy, he pulled it up and I showed him areas and he moved 1 acre at house that wasn't Ag to Ag plus a 1/2 acre of the 2 they took out. All with a couple clicks of the mouse and instant. He's a farmer/rancher too and that helps a lot !! As I mentioned earlier he thinks the now 3 yrs retro and having to farm/ranch it for 5 first is ridiculous.
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