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Old 07-05-2019, 10:40 AM   #1
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https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dani...imate-disaster

I just read this article and it reminded me how wrong the U.N. IPPC has been about the climate for 40+ years. I'm still waiting for the ice age they promised us back in the 70's. I think their science is crap, driven by money. I believe they are driven by the "one world" idiots who wish to bring the U.S. down the 3rd world levels, and combined with socialist politics, its working.

Call me a climate denier, and you are correct. I don't think we affect the climate any more than cows farting do. The earth has been warming and cooling for the entire time it has been in existence, way before man ever walked the planet. I am one who believes volcanos affect climate more than anything else.
We have not been recording temperatures with accurate enough instrumentation for long enough to make these kind of conclusions.

As far as refrigerants ruining the planet, as an a/c guy who has been in the industry over 40years, if refrigerants wreck our climate, I have done my part, releasing thousands of pounds into the atmosphere, as before 1992, that was procedure. And that was going on in the industry since chlorinated refrigerants were invented.


As far as pollution, yes we could do a better job there. We deserve to keep a cleaner planet. As many who are world traveled here have written, as bad as we pollute here, most of the newly industrialized countries are way worse.
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:53 AM   #2
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We are definitely to blame for the pollution in our water and on our lands, and the excess amounts of CO2 in our air. We can and are improving on all these with each day. But I do not believe that we are directly affecting the Earths weather.

This group of people who are over exaggerating all this for political gain, government control, money etc....are ruining it for ones really honestly trying to improve where we realistically can.
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I agree with what Man said...

I want clean air, water, land. We are not going to change the temperature of the planet. The climate change folks are only focused on co2. They are not including solar minimum, solar maximum, plate tectonics in their climate models.
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The sun.....as in ^^^^^^^^^^^^solar minimum and maximum are the main reasons for climate change. The sun is the only factor that has been around since the beginning.
During its time the earth has frozen solid and warmed to higher levels that we currently have. Anyone who really believes humans cause any significant change to the climate really needs a good head Dr.
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Seems to me that many have gone away from calling it Global Warming. Now they call it just plain Climate Change. Just like it's been doing for a few million years. Ain't nothing we humanoids can or gonna do that will change that.
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Multi-billion dollar industry... Al Gore had to have something to do after his political career ended... Man never had a real job. Was in politics from the time he was is in high school until his second term ended as VP with Slick Willie... All of a sudden, he's unemployed so he thunk this up... He's a multi-millionaire today. To say he cut a fat hog is an understatement!
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Seems to me that many have gone away from calling it Global Warming. Now they call it just plain Climate Change.
Global Warming just wasn't selling it with record low temps...they had to rebrand and find a more generic term. Some caught on quicker than others.
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Here's the thing about CO2. We have discontinued the use of ozone and CO2 producing refrigerants. As some of these refrigerants decompose in the atmosphere, they create CO2. Global Warming Potential. Guess what is becoming the prevailing refrigerant used in Market (grocery store) refrigeration, CO2.
The main refrigerant in use today for a/c use is R410A. It is on the hit list to be replaced with another refrigerant, as it is a CO2 producer in decomposition.
The refrigerant industry has made lots of money with the refrigerant replacements since 1992, must be slowing down so we need to change our equipment as it isn't compatible with the new refrigerants. This has costs American (worldwide) consumers billions of $$ changing systems to use with R410A. Get ready in a few years for round 2.
It hit the refrigeration industry also, as they were using mostly R404A to replace R12 systems, and my experience, though small, deems it an excellent refrigeration refrigerant. Only since our present administration handcuffing the EPA stopped them from outlawing it at present.


The powers that be so easily make these changes that affect the peoples pocketbooks without caring how we handle it.


I will say it to the day I die. Follow the money.

I will say the good thing about R410A systems is it seems to be easier to make much higher efficiency equipment than with R22. Technology has helped also, as scroll compressors and inverter drives make a/c's much more efficient than pre 1990.
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Here's the thing about CO2. We have discontinued the use of ozone and CO2 producing refrigerants. As some of these refrigerants decompose in the atmosphere, they create CO2. Global Warming Potential. Guess what is becoming the prevailing refrigerant used in Market (grocery store) refrigeration, CO2.
The main refrigerant in use today for a/c use is R410A. It is on the hit list to be replaced with another refrigerant, as it is a CO2 producer in decomposition.
The refrigerant industry has made lots of money with the refrigerant replacements since 1992, must be slowing down so we need to change our equipment as it isn't compatible with the new refrigerants. This has costs American (worldwide) consumers billions of $$ changing systems to use with R410A. Get ready in a few years for round 2.
It hit the refrigeration industry also, as they were using mostly R404A to replace R12 systems, and my experience, though small, deems it an excellent refrigeration refrigerant. Only since our present administration handcuffing the EPA stopped them from outlawing it at present.


The powers that be so easily make these changes that affect the peoples pocketbooks without caring how we handle it.


I will say it to the day I die. Follow the money.

I will say the good thing about R410A systems is it seems to be easier to make much higher efficiency equipment than with R22. Technology has helped also, as scroll compressors and inverter drives make a/c's much more efficient than pre 1990.
And I can by a can of it at Krogers and recharge my own dang truck A/C instead of paying Earl the Mechanic to do it!
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And I can by a can of it at Krogers and recharge my own dang truck A/C instead of paying Earl the Mechanic to do it!


Yes, R134A apparently doesn't have any global warming potential, so non EPA certified persons legally can buy it, unlike most other refrigerants. I myself have bought a 30 lb. can at Sams club, as it was cheaper than the wholesale refrigeration suppliers.


R134A is used in lots of small refrigeration and large air conditioning applications, efficiency is ok, but it is not as good of a refrigerant as R12 was.
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As long as we keep replacing forests and grasslands with concrete and houses we will continue to have more carbon in our atmosphere...and less oxygen. In my lifetime I have seen our cities expand far and beyond where there limits once were...and the trees and prairies disappear. I hate to see what the next 50 years will bring.
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Is it as bad as some say? Probably not
Should we still make efforts to live cleaner and help the earth? Absolutely


Itís a shame this topic has turned into a political one and masses joined one side or the other primarily due to party affiliation


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Is it as bad as some say? Probably not
Should we still make efforts to live cleaner and help the earth? Absolutely


Itís a shame this topic has turned into a political one and masses joined one side or the other primarily due to party affiliation

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Is it as bad as some say? Probably not
Should we still make efforts to live cleaner and help the earth? Absolutely


Itís a shame this topic has turned into a political one and masses joined one side or the other primarily due to party affiliation

That's pollution and everyone ( at least in the developed world ) that we should do what we can to prevent pollution.
Climate change is an entirely different thing. Climate change dogma did not turn political, it has been political since its inception in the 60's or 70's. It's sole purpose is to divert your money from your pocket to the pockets of other people and governments. You want some of my money to clean the rivers in this country i probably wont have much of a problem with it. If someone want my money so they can spread socialism around the globe...well not i have a problem.
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That's pollution and everyone ( at least in the developed world ) that we should do what we can to prevent pollution.
Climate change is an entirely different thing. Climate change dogma did not turn political, it has been political since its inception in the 60's or 70's. It's sole purpose is to divert your money from your pocket to the pockets of other people and governments. You want some of my money to clean the rivers in this country i probably wont have much of a problem with it. If someone want my money so they can spread socialism around the globe...well not i have a problem.
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Science is a business and that business is tax payer funded.
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Only reason to politicize pollution and our effect upon our environment is to allow one group to profit by continuing to destroy our earth or another group to profit by selling us a cure. Both are frauds and their nightly news tribes are frauds. Next time you are flying take a look out of the jet plane. You will see we look like an infection upon the earth. Like an infection we will either kill our host or drown in our own waste.
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Just like religions and gods, all made up
Funny how there are just about 0 absolutes in this world, including the laws of physics, yet so many are so absolutely sure of what we are and are not causing.
Y'all would have been in the same group who persecuted Galileo .
I'm not 100% certain we are causing global warming, but we are **** sure adding to it at the least.
Our impact should be analyzed, simply saying it's not real, we should just drop it is unbelievable stupid.
But the Republican rednecks of America know it all, the world last great hope of intelligence .
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Only reason to politicize pollution and our effect upon our environment is to allow one group to profit by continuing to destroy our earth or another group to profit by selling us a cure. Both are frauds and their nightly news tribes are frauds. Next time you are flying take a look out of the jet plane. You will see we look like an infection upon the earth. Like an infection we will either kill our host or drown in our own waste.
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Only reason to politicize pollution and our effect upon our environment is to allow one group to profit by continuing to destroy our earth or another group to profit by selling us a cure. Both are frauds and their nightly news tribes are frauds. Next time you are flying take a look out of the jet plane. You will see we look like an infection upon the earth. Like an infection we will either kill our host or drown in our own waste.
When you look out your jet plane window and see an infection....what country are you flying over,India, china?
When I look at the American landscape I see land producing beautiful crops that feed the world, clean rivers and lakes and a magnificent industrial complex that provides innovative solutions to complex problems.
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Just like religions and gods, all made up
Funny how there are just about 0 absolutes in this world, including the laws of physics, yet so many are so absolutely sure of what we are and are not causing.
Y'all would have been in the same group who persecuted Galileo .
I'm not 100% certain we are causing global warming, but we are **** sure adding to it at the least.
Our impact should be analyzed, simply saying it's not real, we should just drop it is unbelievable stupid.
But the Republican rednecks of America know it all, the world last great hope of intelligence .
Nuance is not allowed anymore.
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Just like religions and gods, all made up
Funny how there are just about 0 absolutes in this world, including the laws of physics, yet so many are so absolutely sure of what we are and are not causing.
Y'all would have been in the same group who persecuted Galileo .
I'm not 100% certain we are causing global warming, but we are **** sure adding to it at the least.
Our impact should be analyzed, simply saying it's not real, we should just drop it is unbelievable stupid.
But the Republican rednecks of America know it all, the world last great hope of intelligence .

I agree, we should study climate change. Actually study, not design experiments that use bad data, and use incorrect conclusions to wreck our (and the worlds) economy to enrich the people funding the bad science. The science industry is funded by people insisting the conclusions come out the way they want, or they cut off funding.


You can tell it is fishy because any scientists that question the climate change agenda are hated and ostracized. Some have lost their jobs for not toeing the line.


Obama said "the science is settled". Science is never settled, or the world would be flat and the universe would revolve around us.


Like the article said, I have been listening the U.N. people for 40+ years, and nothing they have predicted in the way of earths climate has happened.
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Just like religions and gods, all made up
Funny how there are just about 0 absolutes in this world, including the laws of physics, yet so many are so absolutely sure of what we are and are not causing.
Y'all would have been in the same group who persecuted Galileo .
I'm not 100% certain we are causing global warming, but we are **** sure adding to it at the least.
Our impact should be analyzed, simply saying it's not real, we should just drop it is unbelievable stupid.
But the Republican rednecks of America know it all, the world last great hope of intelligence .
The Eocene, which occurred between 53 and 49 million years ago, was the Earth's warmest temperature period for 100 million years. However, this "super-greenhouse" eventually became an icehouse by the late Eocene.

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I wonder what happened to the hole in ozone that the experts use to show satellite images of. that started the climate change theory, you don't hear about it anymore.
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Green Land used to be green.

West Texas was covered with salt water for a very long time.

Climate changes. Uh duh.

It would be great to make billions a year off something that will never stop. The climate does change.

America could disappear tomorrow and China and India would pollute the globe's water and air in the next 10 years.

Read an article last week about the plastic in the oceans and 90% can be traced to 4 rivers in and around China, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc.

There is nothing we Americans can improve on when you look on this as a global problem.........
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That's pollution and everyone ( at least in the developed world ) that we should do what we can to prevent pollution.
Climate change is an entirely different thing. Climate change dogma did not turn political, it has been political since its inception in the 60's or 70's. It's sole purpose is to divert your money from your pocket to the pockets of other people and governments. You want some of my money to clean the rivers in this country i probably wont have much of a problem with it. If someone want my money so they can spread socialism around the globe...well not i have a problem.
How is co2 & methane production from humans (pollution) along with the constant expansion and destruction of habitat not go hand in hand? Iím confused?

But I do agree with with there being a huge money grab with it. There is do denying that
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There is nothing we Americans can improve on when you look on this as a global problem.........
Link to fish consumption bans.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/o...and-advisories

Rank State Airborne Mercury Emissions (pounds)
1 Texas 11,127
2 Ohio 4,218
3 Pennsylvania 3,964
4 Missouri 3,835
5 Indiana 3,175

We do not even produce most of our electricity with coal, we just have the dirtiest plants.

Why isn't conservation conservative.
Does being conservative mean we must put corporate profits ahead of posterity?
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Link to fish consumption bans.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/o...and-advisories

Rank State Airborne Mercury Emissions (pounds)
1 Texas 11,127
2 Ohio 4,218
3 Pennsylvania 3,964
4 Missouri 3,835
5 Indiana 3,175

We do not even produce most of our electricity with coal, we just have the dirtiest plants.

Why isn't conservation conservative.
Does being conservative mean we must put corporate profits ahead of posterity?
the USA has the dirtiest plants? compared to WHO??? this is the stupidest thing I have read today.

and if a utility provider doesn't make a profit for their investment then we can all go live in the dark; that's how it works, unless you want to start up a power plant and give free electricity to everyone in the USA.
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the USA has the dirtiest plants? compared to WHO??? this is the stupidest thing I have read today.
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That is because you did not read it. The chart pointed out that Texas produces over double the mercury emissions of any other state even though we produce most of our energy with clean burning natural gas. I am not sure but would bet that the coal plants in the other states are highly profitable. The USA does not have the dirtiest plants, but I fish in Texas.
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How is co2 & methane production from humans (pollution) along with the constant expansion and destruction of habitat not go hand in hand? Iím confused?

But I do agree with with there being a huge money grab with it. There is do denying that
Co2 production is pollution? Dont green plants and trees need CO2 in order to produce O2? There is no real data that proves Co2 is or could be a dangerous hazard to the planet. I'm fairly sure there is actual data that says Co2 levels were much higher in earths history.
Not sure anyone could say with certainty that methane is a man made pollutant. Methane can be found in all ice core samples that are millions of years old. It also seeps from the ocean floors and been doing so for millions of years.
Yes humans pollute.
No there is no science that says we pollute enough to destroy the earth or change the climate
The USA does more to clean up and prevent pollution than any other society on earth.
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only reason to politicize pollution and our effect upon our environment is to allow one group to profit by continuing to destroy our earth or another group to profit by selling us a cure. Both are frauds and their nightly news tribes are frauds. Next time you are flying take a look out of the jet plane. You will see we look like an infection upon the earth. Like an infection we will either kill our host or drown in our own waste.

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Co2 production is pollution? Dont green plants and trees need CO2 in order to produce O2? There is no real data that proves Co2 is or could be a dangerous hazard to the planet. I'm fairly sure there is actual data that says Co2 levels were much higher in earths history.
Not sure anyone could say with certainty that methane is a man made pollutant. Methane can be found in all ice core samples that are millions of years old. It also seeps from the ocean floors and been doing so for millions of years.
Yes humans pollute.
No there is no science that says we pollute enough to destroy the earth or change the climate
The USA does more to clean up and prevent pollution than any other society on earth.
CO2 levels were much higher back when the earth did not have a adequate atmosphere and a bunch of active volcanoes and what not.
Yes plants need CO2 to produce O2 but your scenario seems to fit along the lines of a person needing X amount of calorie intake and they keep increasing that intake but workout less and less.
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Ok, I found the answer. It came to me in one of my dreams which BTW have saved me many an Azz whooping from my parents when I was growing up so I trust my instincts---------and dreams.
Global warming and climate change alarm was created to help increase the sale of tin foil. That's it! Those that bark the loudest prolly got gobs of stock in aluminum companies. I'll even bet Alcoa had a hand in this too! I'll leave it to the readers to figure out what tin foil is used for besides wrapping brisket.
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If man did absolutely nothing to address " climate change" and reverted back to environmental protections of 1900 ( non existant) he earth would still be inhabited by healthy humans, we would still have safe water and food 500 years from now.
And that there prediction is as accurate and provable as any climate scientist has come up with.
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There is not much debate between the scientist as the the effects of increasing GHG on the climate. What is in a serious debate is how much of a difference human production of Co2 has on the environment. There is some consensus that human production of Co2 only amounts to 5% of total Co2 released into the atmosphere. Debate seems to be centered on the effect of the added 5% and the life of Co2 within the atmosphere. What is not apparent is how much the loss of Co2 sink from deforestation and the decrease of oceanic biomass have on Co2 level. I would guess not a lot or it would be documented.

Cutting that 5% might make a real difference. Remember before 1985 how the litter made Texas look like a giant sheethole. My friend's argument for throwing his empties all along our roadways, was that his trash did not make a difference in the overall scheme of things. Well, I changed his mind by offering a beating in the spirit of "Don't mess with Texas" and then our roadways became an example for the whole nation.

Remember when
You could walk on Texas beaches without collecting tarballs on your feet.
Padre Island National Seashore was truly pristine.

People and industry, just clean up after yourselves.
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Texas has about the trashiest roads that I've seen, and I run all over the USA.
it's just a different class of people down here, and I've lived in Texas my whole life.
I really don't think it's the good people of Texas doing this crap; but we have a huge problem with people coming in from other states who just don't give a ####.
and this had started way before the the exodus from commie Cal. NJ, NY just keep on naming them. there is just a lot of people that just don't give a #### about themselves or anyone else.

I have never seen a tar ball on a Tx beach, although i'm sure there have been some in the past. just don't think it's a common thing, and if it was it probably came from somewhere out there where we have no jurisdiction.
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https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/07/n...cier-warnings/


Man it gets better every day
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"The total area of Glacier National Park covered in its iconic glaciers shrank 70% from the 1850s to 2015"

That's...good?
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:37 PM   #39
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IMO, the greatest threat to our environment is the politicization of the climate change debate. Because all it does is insure that people take sides and little changes. Kind of like where we are with racism. The more broadly the claim of racism is used as a weapon the more others dismiss as though it isn't a problem at all.

That's where we are with climate debate - negative changes or trends in our environment are weaponized to support one side of the argument or the other and oftentimes slanted enough to give the other side cause to dismiss altogether.

I don't know where the line is or even what the line is but I think it perfectly justified to legislate protections that would benefit the environment. From waste to emissions even to urban sprawl and other.

This would never be enough for the whacked out left. So let's encourage them to form their own "green" "sanctuaries" so they can have a "safe place" together.
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:40 PM   #40
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The earth is a gazillion years old, but we've settled the climate / weather science when we've only been monitoring for what 200 years max?? Anyone who thinks man has changed anything is taking Way too much credit for what little time our industrial footprint has been around...so if the cows are so bad, how much influence did dinosaur flatulence contribute alone?? Maybe they killed themselves off?? The whole topic is obtuse the way some people say they have any of it nailed down as fact.
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Just take about 3 min to read the stupidity of this article.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8996741.html

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Old 07-09-2019, 09:30 AM   #42
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Just take about 3 min to read the stupidity of this article.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8996741.html
So! Since the liberals over exaggerate and make stupid statements we should just say screw it and pollute our *** off?

It's just as stupid to think we have no effect on our planet. You can drive through any major city and see the smog and pollution. I drove through DFW on my way to Tulsa and all the signs warned about a orange air alert. I guess that's great for the planet.

It doesn't matter if we agree whether or not our planet and climate are being harmed. We should all want to protect it as much as we can. Does that mean to go overboard? No! Can we make an impact one way or another? Yes!
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I read or heard recently the greatest period for flora and fauna we know of existed at temps slightly higher than we have now.

I guess my question is; How did we decide the climate we have at this exact moment is optimal?
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I read or heard recently the greatest period for flora and fauna we know of existed at temps slightly higher than we have now.

I guess my question is; How did we decide the climate we have at this exact moment is optimal
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When the globalist realized that the best way to screw America was to create a global emergency
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I read or heard recently the greatest period for flora and fauna we know of existed at temps slightly higher than we have now.

I guess my question is; How did we decide the climate we have at this exact moment is optimal?
Probably because it's what we are accustomed to.
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As long as we keep replacing forests and grasslands with concrete and houses we will continue to have more carbon in our atmosphere...and less oxygen. In my lifetime I have seen our cities expand far and beyond where there limits once were...and the trees and prairies disappear. I hate to see what the next 50 years will bring.
It is called the Urban Heat Island Effect...which is a real deal. There is a concrete now that allows absorption and allows the natural process of the water cycle!
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It is called the Urban Heat Island Effect...which is a real deal. There is a concrete now that allows absorption and allows the natural process of the water cycle!
But without all the oxygen in return. It's a start!
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So! Since the liberals over exaggerate and make stupid statements we should just say screw it and pollute our *** off?

It's just as stupid to think we have no effect on our planet. You can drive through any major city and see the smog and pollution. I drove through DFW on my way to Tulsa and all the signs warned about a orange air alert. I guess that's great for the planet.

It doesn't matter if we agree whether or not our planet and climate are being harmed. We should all want to protect it as much as we can. Does that mean to go overboard? No! Can we make an impact one way or another? Yes!
The reason for air quality alerts is due to temperature inversion. Hardly a good example.
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The reason for air quality alerts is due to temperature inversion. Hardly a good example.
It represents the amount of air pollution. So if its saying the air is unhealthy for certain people that's not good.
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:17 PM   #50
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I have no idea whether climate change is driven by money or politics. However, I don't see the problem in taking better care of our planet.
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