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Old 06-04-2019, 06:35 PM   #1
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Default 2020 Debate: Trump vs Biden

So who do you see winning a debate between these two if Biden is the democrats sacrificial lamb.
I think Trump will mop the floor with Walter...ugh I mean Biden.

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The depth to which people’s pasts are dug into now is insane. Imo, Biden has too much of his record he will have to answer to once’s its general time. I just don’t see him running successfully away from that past.
Trump would kill him
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Trump better repeat or we are screwed
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Trump better repeat or we are screwed
That is 100% true. We better hope another quality republican is waiting in the wings after that. Too many socialists aka democrats growing up
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Aside from the seriousness of the election, a Trump vs. Biden debate would be comedy/gaff gold.
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I don't see Biden getting the nomination but if he does it'll just be a repeat of his VP debates. Just smile a lot, interrupt any valid points, and lay on the sarcasm.
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Their whole focus (both Biden and the phony debate narrators) will be to get Trump off script as much as humanly possible during the debate.
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Their whole focus (both Biden and the phony debate narrators) will be to get Trump off script as much as humanly possible during the debate.
Trump stick to a script?! Outside of his SoTU addresses, he rarely does. It's his shtick.
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https://youtu.be/dijPb89_U-E


John Hickenlooper booed by California democrats for criticizing socialism.

Yes Trump had better win or we are screwed.
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With the nation polarized more than ever, general election debates won't sway enough voters to matter at all. The winning side will be the one who does the best job of getting their supporters to actually vote. Even in a good year, 40% of eligible voters don't bother to cast a ballot so there is plenty of opportunity to win by getting your supporters to actually vote.
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With the nation polarized more than ever, general election debates won't sway enough voters to matter at all. The winning side will be the one who does the best job of getting their supporters to actually vote. Even in a good year, 40% of eligible voters don't bother to cast a ballot so there is plenty of opportunity to win by getting your supporters to actually vote.
I think Trump will be responsible for one of the highest election turnouts in a loooong time, since he engenders such strong feelings on both sides of the aisle. It will be an interesting election.
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2020 election will likely be the same outcome as 2016. Trump wins electoral votes hands down but slightly behind on popular vote. Voters are pretty much decided already and no campaign speech is likely to change their minds. Especially debates.
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I also think about as many republicans want Biden to get nominated as do democrats. The republicans I believe are pretty sure Trump will mop the floor in any debate with Feely Joe.
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I also think about as many republicans want Biden to get nominated as do democrats. The republicans I believe are pretty sure Trump will mop the floor in any debate with Feely Joe.
To be honest, I don't see any of the Dim's that are running being in any shape to fair any better against Trump. Most of them are nothing more than self serving shmucks...…….(can't type what I want to call them, I'd get banned).
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I think the Democrat party may be unelectable at the rate they are going with all of their crazy ideas along with the way they have treated trump and the SCOTUS nominees.

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I think the Democrat party may be unelectable at the rate they are going with all of their crazy ideas along with the way they have treated trump and the SCOTUS nominees.

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I remember saying and thinking the same thing about Obama and look what we had to endure for 8 long years. Eight years that will take at least 2 generations to correct. IF it's no too late. We must be vigilant and go vote. Do not let one of these AOC types sneak up on us. It happened before and can happen again.
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Trump's biggest threat to reelection is overconfidence among his supporters. This leads to fewer donations, fewer volunteer hours and lower turnout. I see a lot of it here and elsewhere and we are 17 months away from the election.

The second biggest threat is the economy turning towards recession. This could happen simply because the business cycle says it's about time. China and Mexico tariffs make it more likely. If unemployment ticks up, Trump is in big trouble. I say this is the second biggest threat because I agree that nearly everyone has already made up their mind.
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I remember saying and thinking the same thing about Obama and look what we had to endure for 8 long years. Eight years that will take at least 2 generations to correct. IF it's no too late. We must be vigilant and go vote. Do not let one of these AOC types sneak up on us. It happened before and can happen again.
I assume you're not referring to the economy?
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I assume you're not referring to the economy?
I was not. The economic engine was way smarter than Obama up to a point. At the very end of his 8 years the engine was rapidly running out of fuel and the country had amassed more dept than all other previous administrations combined. If Hillary had been elected you would not be seeing the boom we are in right now.
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I was not. The economic engine was way smarter than Obama up to a point. At the very end of his 8 years the engine was rapidly running out of fuel and the country had amassed more dept than all other previous administrations combined. If Hillary had been elected you would not be seeing the boom we are in right now.
Unfortunately republicans have picked up right where Obama left off on the debt problem. Which is ridiculous since they campaigned for 8 years on being fiscally responsible. We're still mortgaging our future.

As for the economy, I think presidents' policy has less of an effect than people like to believe. Granted, I think Trump's small influence has managed to extend the boom, but I forsee a recession in his second term (regardless of what he does) since we haven't had a strong correction in years.

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Unfortunately republicans have picked up right where Obama left off on the debt problem. Which is ridiculous since they campaigned for 8 years on being fiscally responsible. We're still mortgaging our future.

As for the economy, I think presidents' policy has less of an effect than people like to believe. Granted, I think Trump's small influence has managed to extend the boom, but I forsee a recession in his second term (regardless of what he does) since we haven't had a strong correction in years.
I agree we are long due for a major correction. I can see at least 25% coming. Maybe even +30%.
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I agree we are long due for a major correction. I can see at least 25% coming. Maybe even +30%.
Yep. If it happens sooner than I think (within a year), it'll be a much harder re-election campaign for him.
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Personally, I think it is the news media manipulating the numbers to say this and that are going to happen. They say there were not that many jobs added which is a sing of a downturn in the economy. Problem is, everyone that wants a job has one and no one else (lowlifes, un-hireable and snowflakes that do not want to work) so no more jobs hires are added due to the scum that do not want to work and keep sucking off the government!

I may be wrong but I hope I am not. Congress is included in these low life scums for not doing what they we voted in to do. They work for us, NO ONE ELSE! CLEAN HOUSE immediately!
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Personally, I think it is the news media manipulating the numbers to say this and that are going to happen. They say there were not that many jobs added which is a sing of a downturn in the economy. Problem is, everyone that wants a job has one and no one else (lowlifes, un-hireable and snowflakes that do not want to work) so no more jobs hires are added due to the scum that do not want to work and keep sucking off the government!

I may be wrong but I hope I am not. Congress is included in these low life scums for not doing what they we voted in to do. They work for us, NO ONE ELSE! CLEAN HOUSE immediately!
Well the BLS puts the numbers out, not the media. You can see them here if you want.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0..._view=net_1mth

Now you can argue the validity of those, but then you'd also have to acknowledge that the validity of every year prior is also questionable, since they've measured it the same way for a long time.

As for having a report of 75K. I really wouldn't be concerned. First, they're preliminary numbers, and second, a single bad month doesn't necessarily mean a downturn is coming. If you check that table, in 2016 (Obama's last year) there were only 15K jobs added in May, and then 282 in June and 336 in July. Same thing happened in Sept 2017 with Trump.

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Presidents get too much credit and blame for the state of the economy. If they do have a negative effect it usually manifest after they are out of office for example Nixon and Connally taking the US off the gold standard.
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Presidents get too much credit and blame for the state of the economy. If they do have a negative effect it usually manifest after they are out of office for example Nixon and Connally taking the US off the gold standard.
Pretty close to dead on. Glad somebody understands how things work. Clinton benefited for 8 years from Reagan's policies and decisions that endured thru Bush No 1. Reagan had a tough go because of a dingbat peanut farmer before him. Bush No.2 inherited the trickle down from Clinton and things began to tank and there was 911 terrorist attack on the twin towers and Obama, well he really didn't do much of anything. By then the institutions were ahead of the game and much smarter than Obama and we managed to get thru without a severe depression. If Trump keeps going the next president in 2024 will most likely be on super cruise.
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Pretty close to dead on. Glad somebody understands how things work. Clinton benefited for 8 years from Reagan's policies and decisions that endured thru Bush No 1. Reagan had a tough go because of a dingbat peanut farmer before him. Bush No.2 inherited the trickle down from Clinton and things began to tank and there was 911 terrorist attack on the twin towers and Obama, well he really didn't do much of anything. By then the institutions were ahead of the game and much smarter than Obama and we managed to get thru without a severe depression. If Trump keeps going the next president in 2024 will most likely be on super cruise.
Do you think that the surplus and balanced budgets during Clinton were solely attributed to Reagan and Bush? Where do you put the blame in regards to the 2008 debacle?
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we managed to get thru without a severe depression.
But it was the worst recession since the late 20s (there haven't been any depressions since '29).
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Oh and to back up my earlier argument about us being up for a recession soon.

Here's a list of all recessions and depressions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eat_Depression

This month marks us tying the longest boom (10 years).
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Saw an article this morning saying Biden would clean his clock in the up coming speeches.

Uh ok...............


https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...cerates-trump/

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Creepy Joe“ just what the Democrats need in their corner- they love him.
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Do you think that the surplus and balanced budgets during Clinton were solely attributed to Reagan and Bush? Where do you put the blame in regards to the 2008 debacle?
The "surplus" was the result of an accounting trick that, if attempted in the private sector with a publicly traded company, would land you in jail for fraud.

https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Colum...20-Years-Later
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They just showed a national poll on ABC showing Biden ahead by 13 points over Trump.

So they called 100 Democrats............
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They just showed a national poll on ABC showing Biden ahead by 13 points over Trump.

So they called 100 Democrats............
sounds about right!

but we can't be complacent in this next election, have got to get out and vote and give 'em a resounding *** whoopin'.
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The "surplus" was the result of an accounting trick that, if attempted in the private sector with a publicly traded company, would land you in jail for fraud.

https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Colum...20-Years-Later
Soooo, if the same metrics were used by your biased reference what does Trumps deficit look like. If what they preach still happens today. Your source seems a bit of a stretch to me, but I will admit I'm not a scholar in economics.
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Soooo, if the same metrics were used by your biased reference what does Trumps deficit look like. If what they preach still happens today. Your source seems a bit of a stretch to me, but I will admit I'm not a scholar in economics.
It's not a question of economics, it's a matter of accounting.

If you consider the author of the article posted is one of the nation's foremost experts on governmental accounting practices, your claim of bias has no basis in fact.

The fact is Clinton changed how accounting rules were applied and instantly changed a deficit into a surplus. Just like Enron.
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It's not a question of economics, it's a matter of accounting.

If you consider the author of the article posted is one of the nation's foremost experts on governmental accounting practices, your claim of bias has no basis in fact.

The fact is Clinton changed how accounting rules were applied and instantly changed a deficit into a surplus. Just like Enron.
Thanks for shedding a new perspective for me in economics. I found this article to have a bit more information. Crazy stuff. Thanks for straightening this out for me.
https://finance.townhall.com/columni...-myth-n1098572
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Pretty close to dead on. Glad somebody understands how things work. Clinton benefited for 8 years from Reagan's policies and decisions that endured thru Bush No 1. Reagan had a tough go because of a dingbat peanut farmer before him. Bush No.2 inherited the trickle down from Clinton and things began to tank and there was 911 terrorist attack on the twin towers and Obama, well he really didn't do much of anything. By then the institutions were ahead of the game and much smarter than Obama and we managed to get thru without a severe depression. If Trump keeps going the next president in 2024 will most likely be on super cruise.
My argument is really that the executive or legislative branches have not been able to do much to steer the economy post Gerald Ford administration. Gerald Ford only gets credit because he signed ERISA. If you want to give credit or blame to Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan, I think it would be for installing Volcker and Greeenspan. I think the jury is still out on Clinton's GATT agreement (I am not a fan). On Reagan, you can give him credit for the mercy shot to the unions but they were already dying. If you want to blame him how about working with Tip O'Neill to raid the Social Security Trust Fund and the creation of the "deficits do not matter" mantra(time will tell if they were right). The TARP legislation 2008 did not save the economy but just created a lot of tax payer debt to save the bonuses of Wall Street executives.

If you have a stomach for financials try reading "The Great Deformation" by Reagan's budget director David Stockman.

I was so sad to see what had happened to my friends and family living in Texas in the early 80s when both the energy and agricultural sectors took a hit. You have to give credits to Texas leaders in industry, education and both parties in the government for building the diverse economy we have in this state today.
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One thing seems certain. All presidents seem to take credit for their predecessors successes but blame the predecessor for his own failings.
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One thing seems certain. All presidents seem to take credit for their predecessors successes but blame the predecessor for his own failings.
Politics 101: shift blame, take undeserved credit.
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Thanks muzzle and shovel for breaking it down and making it more concise.
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Most people give presidents all the credit or blame for the economy. As has already been stated, presidents don't have that much direct effect on the economy. Politics is one thing that affects the economy, but it's not the only thing. The free market and the private sector innovations and advancements play the biggest role. Lots of other things have an effect on the economy as well.
There are always things happening that have differing effects on the economy at the same time - some good, some bad. As far as the political component, Congress is the biggest player. That is where tax law and government spending bills are written and passed. The Fed plays a role with interest rates. Presidents can advocate for different things, but they can't just pass laws on their own. They can sign or veto whatever Congress passes. Presidents are increasingly using and abusing the executive order. And the executive branch regulatory authority has been severely over-used and abused - especially by Obama. So, in that regard, presidents and the executive branch can have a bigger effect on the economy than they should have. But Congress still has a bigger effect than the president. The private sector still has the biggest effect of anything. Even during Obama's years of oppressive and excessive regulation abuse, the private sector still was able to trudge along and produce 2% GDP growth. That was pretty anemic, of course. But it was growth, in spite of the uphill climb that businesses had against the huge wave of liberal anti-business regulatory abuse that we saw during those years.

When the Republican Congress and President Trump had 2 years of at least semi-cooperation and were able to cut taxes and dial back some (but still not as much as they should) of the oppressive government regulatory burden, the private sector was able to get going a lot faster. Government doesn't create jobs. Government can only bog the system down and hinder growth. When we get the dang government out of our way, WE can make the economy work like it's supposed to.
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Aside from the seriousness of the election, a Trump vs. Biden debate would be comedy/gaff gold.
Thanks for saving me the typing!!! Gonna be one HUGE embarrassment for our nation globally...…….like watching a train wreck in slow motion!
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I just want to see Biden give Melania a hug and tongue in ear.
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Since we were discussing job numbers here last month, new jobs report shows we're back on track.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/05/b...bs-report.html
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