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Old 09-06-2019, 02:13 PM   #1
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I'm sure other feed stores may offer this but I just ran into the Poetry Saddle and Tack store in Poerty, TX (just outside of Terrell) to see what wildlife food plot mix they may have in stock as I needed another 50 lb. bag but I wanted something different than what I already have.
Well, I asked the clerk what they have in stock and she pointed out the Wildlife mix in 50 lb bags but it has Rye in it that I don't want to take up space. She then pointed out the chalk board that had different seeds (Wheat, Oats, Peas, Clover, etc.) and said that is by the pound and I could make up my own mix. I figured I would get 50/50 wheat and oats, which they already had mixed up in a 50 lb bag and 10 lbs. of clover.
Just thought it was something different that you can make up your own blend as I will do that next year to get exactly what I want in a mix.
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That is how I do it. I use a paint mixer from a hardware store and mix it. That mix in the picture was 50 pound of peas, 5 pound sunflower and 10 pound Sunn Hemp. I use the same recipe till I get the hopper full which is 500 pounds. This was my spring mix.
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Old 09-06-2019, 09:12 PM   #3
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Good information
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Old 09-06-2019, 11:25 PM   #4
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I mix my own from multiple type seeds too. Just make sure to mix like sized seeds so they throw the same from the seeder. I’ll do larger grains together and then go back over and top sow small seeds like clover or brassicas together. Also, don’t discount Rye if it’s “Cereal Rye”, not ryegrass. Cereal Rye is very beneficial to plots, even moreso than wheat and oats. Good luck, almost time to get some seed out. Waiting on good rains in forecast
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I mix my own from multiple type seeds too. Just make sure to mix like sized seeds so they throw the same from the seeder. Iíll do larger grains together and then go back over and top sow small seeds like clover or brassicas together. Also, donít discount Rye if itís ďCereal RyeĒ, not ryegrass. Cereal Rye is very beneficial to plots, even moreso than wheat and oats. Good luck, almost time to get some seed out. Waiting on good rains in forecast


I agree with mdnaborís assessment of cereal rye. It is probably the best base you can build a mix around... TONS of benefits.


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I mix my own from multiple type seeds too. Just make sure to mix like sized seeds so they throw the same from the seeder. Iíll do larger grains together and then go back over and top sow small seeds like clover or brassicas together. Also, donít discount Rye if itís ďCereal RyeĒ, not ryegrass. Cereal Rye is very beneficial to plots, even moreso than wheat and oats. Good luck, almost time to get some seed out. Waiting on good rains in forecast
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I agree with mdnaborís assessment of cereal rye. It is probably the best base you can build a mix around... TONS of benefits.


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What rye's do yall like? Elbon Rye?
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What rye's do yall like? Elbon Rye?


Elbon is what I have used the last 2 years for my fatherís food plot. It has a VERY high cold tolerance, and will keep adding growth any day with highs in the mid-upper 30ís.


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Elbon is what I have used the last 2 years for my fatherís food plot. It has a VERY high cold tolerance, and will keep adding growth any day with highs in the mid-upper 30ís.


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How many lbs per acre?
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:50 PM   #9
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How many lbs per acre?


Depends on how you are putting the seed down. I have seen guys use as little as 50lbs/acre when drilling, or we have been using 80-100lbs/acre of grains (so like 80lbs rye, 20 oats or wheat, or 60/20/20) spread into the summer plot then mowed as low as we can get the deck without breaking the soil surface. We only plant like this right before a good rain, and the grain component is higher assuming a lower germination rate from not rolling/drilling.

Our mix for this year is (per acre)
60lbs Elbon Rye
20lbs Winter Wheat
20lbs Oats
5lbs Winter Peas
3lbs Purple top Turnips
3lbs Daikon radishes
1lb Crimson Clover

Edit: I know it makes for a pretty grain heavy mix, but we are attempting to build as much organic matter as possible. This plot is on sugar sand, and runs less than 0.5% OM. The Rye puts down such a heavy root load, it really jumps the OM after a few years.

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Old 09-09-2019, 07:49 PM   #10
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Depends on how you are putting the seed down. I have seen guys use as little as 50lbs/acre when drilling, or we have been using 80-100lbs/acre of grains (so like 80lbs rye, 20 oats or wheat, or 60/20/20) spread into the summer plot then mowed as low as we can get the deck without breaking the soil surface. We only plant like this right before a good rain, and the grain component is higher assuming a lower germination rate from not rolling/drilling.

Our mix for this year is (per acre)
60lbs Elbon Rye
20lbs Winter Wheat
20lbs Oats
5lbs Winter Peas
3lbs Purple top Turnips
3lbs Daikon radishes
1lb Crimson Clover

Edit: I know it makes for a pretty grain heavy mix, but we are attempting to build as much organic matter as possible. This plot is on sugar sand, and runs less than 0.5% OM. The Rye puts down such a heavy root load, it really jumps the OM after a few years.

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That’s gonna be an @$$ ton of turnips! I top dressed 2 lbs last year and it was too much for my liking. But I like your mix!
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Old 09-10-2019, 11:20 AM   #11
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Thatís gonna be an @$$ ton of turnips! I top dressed 2 lbs last year and it was too much for my liking. But I like your mix!


Turnips are a relatively small seed, and with the Throw and mow method we have been using, you expect some percentage of germination failure.
We spend a little more on seeds every year to not till the soil and lose all the OM we worked on building. Also, with the Rye, Oats, and Wheat in there at their rates, the turnips donít canopy over the top of them unless there is a thin spot. It ends up being a VERY dense plot with plants that peak at different times throughout the fall/winter. A mix like that can take a heck of a lot of grazing.


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Go by your local Soil and Water Conservation District, they may be able to get you a mix and cheaper than the feed stores. Usually in same office as NRCS.

Or PM me and I can see what I can do
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Old 09-12-2019, 02:10 PM   #13
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From what I have read this year, cereal rye is definitely a go to cover crop. It will also grow on dang near anything and will continue to through frost and freeze.

Cheap as well. Picked up a 50lb bag for $18.00 if I recall
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Go by your local Soil and Water Conservation District, they may be able to get you a mix and cheaper than the feed stores. Usually in same office as NRCS.

Or PM me and I can see what I can do
Do they have Buck Forage Oats?
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Depends on how you are putting the seed down. I have seen guys use as little as 50lbs/acre when drilling, or we have been using 80-100lbs/acre of grains (so like 80lbs rye, 20 oats or wheat, or 60/20/20) spread into the summer plot then mowed as low as we can get the deck without breaking the soil surface. We only plant like this right before a good rain, and the grain component is higher assuming a lower germination rate from not rolling/drilling.

Our mix for this year is (per acre)
60lbs Elbon Rye
20lbs Winter Wheat
20lbs Oats
5lbs Winter Peas
3lbs Purple top Turnips
3lbs Daikon radishes
1lb Crimson Clover


Edit: I know it makes for a pretty grain heavy mix, but we are attempting to build as much organic matter as possible. This plot is on sugar sand, and runs less than 0.5% OM. The Rye puts down such a heavy root load, it really jumps the OM after a few years.

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Wow...I wrote my mix down the other night and it was EXACTLY your mix to a T! (didn't do lbs yet, but seeds spot on) I also plan to go back over the plot 3 weeks later and add more Rye as a "layered" effect to cover any thin spots and get more new growth too. And yes, no tillage for us this year either.

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Old 09-15-2019, 07:05 AM   #16
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I like your seed mix. Except the turnips.
We used something similar in Leon co for years
Higher rate and mixed in the spreader by the bag
As long as they are all in the same plot I donít care if it is mixed perfectly.
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Old 09-16-2019, 08:56 AM   #17
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The food plot experts at Whitetail Habitat Solutions and QDMA suggest that your brassica will do better if it is NOT mixed with your cereal grains.

The cereal grains will stunt the growth of the turnips, etc. They suggest planting in two totally different areas. Just a thought I wanted to throw out.
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Wow...I wrote my mix down the other night and it was EXACTLY your mix to a T! (didn't do lbs yet, but seeds spot on) I also plan to go back over the plot 3 weeks later and add more Rye as a "layered" effect to cover any thin spots and get more new growth too. And yes, no tillage for us this year either.
Only 1 LB of Crimson? Seems very low
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So how are you doing the "No Till"?
Mow it close before you throw out seed? Spay? How are you getting soill contact with the seeds?

I have not had good luck with oats, elbon rye or wheat coming up without plowing first. I wanted to know how you were doing it.

Maybe you are on sandy soil? I have "black gumbo" overflow bottom land.

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So how are you doing the "No Till"?
Mow it close before you throw out seed? Spay? How are you getting soill contact with the seeds?

I have not had good luck with oats, elbon rye or wheat coming up without plowing first. I wanted to know how you were doing it.

Maybe you are on sandy soil? I have "black gumbo" overflow bottom land.
i spray my plots, wait 2-3 weeks. Grain drill and then shred the dead stuff down for a layer of thatch
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So how are you doing the "No Till"?
Mow it close before you throw out seed? Spay? How are you getting soill contact with the seeds?

I have not had good luck with oats, elbon rye or wheat coming up without plowing first. I wanted to know how you were doing it.

Maybe you are on sandy soil? I have "black gumbo" overflow bottom land.
Spray
Wait 2-3 weeks
Broadcast seed
Shred over seeds... or roller packer... or whatever you got to mash it to the ground

DONE
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Do they have Buck Forage Oats?
Iím going to assume Buck Forage Oats is just a name to try and tap into the hunting market. Main oats we use are Bob Oats
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Iím going to assume Buck Forage Oats is just a name to try and tap into the hunting market. Main oats we use are Bob Oats
Itís a forage oat that is extreme cold weather tolerant.

... that said, in side by side testing I had ZERO preference in them over Bob oats @ 1/3 price. And I donít get a burning freeze here till late January into February. Wheat and rye bridge the gap then

Just my experience. Hype and marketing
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Only 1 LB of Crimson? Seems very low

We arenít looking for a heavy clover content in this field. This mix will primarily feed nov-feb, and the clover will fill out some of the holes left by dying turnips and radish tops as the temps rise in the spring. The summer mix for next year is heavy on the legumes, and good native clover stands in the area are cheaper.


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Wow...I wrote my mix down the other night and it was EXACTLY your mix to a T! (didn't do lbs yet, but seeds spot on) I also plan to go back over the plot 3 weeks later and add more Rye as a "layered" effect to cover any thin spots and get more new growth too. And yes, no tillage for us this year either.

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So how are you doing the "No Till"?

Mow it close before you throw out seed? Spay? How are you getting soill contact with the seeds?



I have not had good luck with oats, elbon rye or wheat coming up without plowing first. I wanted to know how you were doing it.



Maybe you are on sandy soil? I have "black gumbo" overflow bottom land.

We have been doing it by overseeding the summer plot (beans, cowpeas, buckwheat, sunn hemp, and sunflowers) and mowing every other brush hog width as close to the ground as possible. That leaves roughly 50% standing beans/peas with the fall mix slower to establish underneath.... and 50% of the plot in pure fall blend.


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I like your seed mix. Except the turnips.

We used something similar in Leon co for years

Higher rate and mixed in the spreader by the bag

As long as they are all in the same plot I donít care if it is mixed perfectly.

I was really surprised the turnips got hit pretty hard last year right about antler drop. They were in there, along with the radishes, primarily to add OM to the sugar sand soil this plot is planted in. The deer eating them were an unexpected bonus.



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Old 09-22-2019, 09:08 PM   #25
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Well, if they hit it after antler drop, I probably didn’t monitor usage at that time.
They really like the mixed seed plots and the cages show how much of the other plants they are eating.
Darned tornados torn down a short distance of fence on one of my hog proof plot
We did see some great crimson clover usage last year
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