O.H. Ivie giants

[adam_p]

Originally Posted by rolylane6

I think it stresses them everytime time you catch them no matter the season. I will say where livescope comes into play the most is when those fish are suspended in open water, usually deep, during winter in cold water. Hauling them in from deep water stresses them more than when they are shallow. Not that catching them shallow while spawning doesn't stress them too. The point is the more we catch these fish the more likely they are to die.
And if you read my previous post, I said I'm not against it. But it will lead to a reduction in numbers.

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Everybody said the same thing about the A rig when it was winning every fall and winter tournament. The lakes will be fine. The a rig didn’t kill them off and the livescope won’t either.

[SC-001]

Originally Posted by stringmusic

Same thing happening with deer and to combat it, people are putting up high fences so they can let deer reach maturity before they shoot them. Thus, usually bigger antlers. But in a big lake what can you do? I think its going to end up similar to public hunting. More strict regs, seasons, times, dates, etc.

They’ll do studies and if the science agrees we will see fishing seasons for certain species like they have up north, and you could see fishing during the spawn closed. Our lakes have been hammered like never before during Covid and your seeing the results of that.

[Hoss163]

Out of all the bass that were caught over13lbs out of Ivie last year that were donated to the SOL program only two of them were not returned to Ivie after they spawned out at Athens ! One died the other was donated to Bass pro shops .

[warrington]

I do agree a lot of people took up fishing during covid. But if they are getting hammered, why are these lakes still producing fish this size.

I believe that the number and quality of fishing will stay strong as long as we have rains. Seems like a lot of anglers, but not in the big picture of the number of these quality fish from theee lakes.

Fork has been known for big fish for years. And even with all the technology, it's still producing big bass

Not like deer hunting in east Texas when every 8 point buck gets shot. Fish produce thousands of eggs so they hatchery will stay strong as long as the lakes stay up. Animals that produce one or two offspring could deplete trophy's if they do not have years to develop

[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by Tbull9

Most think you can stick a livescope on your boat and go catch them. That’s not the case at all.

No, but being able to find/see them will most definitely change things.


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[rolylane6]

Originally Posted by adam_p

Everybody said the same thing about the A rig when it was winning every fall and winter tournament. The lakes will be fine. The a rig didn’t kill them off and the livescope won’t either.

I dont remember A rigs scoring sharelunkers at a high rate prior to livescope. Not anywhere close. And now they're using both in combination to boat these fish.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with it but it has definitely increased the rate these big fish are being put in the boat. And there's a limited number of those fish. Overall, they are rare.
It is what it is tho. I'm not attached to there being big bass anymore. They're fun to catch if I get one but I don't have anything invested in it like I used to. In fact, if the numbers of DD fish dwindle maybe these "rodeo" days on lakes will dwindle too. I'd like that!

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[rolylane6]

Originally Posted by Hoss163

Out of all the bass that were caught over13lbs out of Ivie last year that were donated to the SOL program only two of them were not returned to Ivie after they spawned out at Athens ! One died the other was donated to Bass pro shops .

That's a drop in the bucket compared to all the 8,9,10,11,12 lb fish that were caught and released that weren't reported. Those weren't taken to a facility where experts at handling and reving these fish may have kept them alive. I'm not saying they all die or even the majority do. But some will because let's face, some guys don't take care of them and only care about a selfie.
Look at the number of people who are on Ivie daily now hammering away at these fish. It will only catch on and get more and more common as folks learn this technique and technology and expand to other lakes as well. Look how many people are adept at using common sonar these days as apposed to 20 years ago. Livescope has changed the game and even better tech is on the way.
Once the same DD fish gets caught 3 or 4 times in a season, it's survival rate will drop severely. If the current trend continues and tech gets even better these fish will become easier targets and most won't survive it. IMO

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[rolylane6]

Originally Posted by Tbull9

Most think you can stick a livescope on your boat and go catch them. That’s not the case at all.

I dont know about most. Some maybe. I won't invest that kinda money in a unit because I'm not spending the time it takes to learn to use it and don't think the investment is worth the reward. There's a lot, and I mean a lot of folks that certainly will. Some won't have what it takes. There's plenty that will.

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[adam_p]

Originally Posted by rolylane6

I dont remember A rigs scoring sharelunkers at a high rate prior to livescope. Not anywhere close. And now they're using both in combination to boat these fish.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with it but it has definitely increased the rate these big fish are being put in the boat. And there's a limited number of those fish. Overall, they are rare.
It is what it is tho. I'm not attached to there being big bass anymore. They're fun to catch if I get one but I don't have anything invested in it like I used to. In fact, if the numbers of DD fish dwindle maybe these "rodeo" days on lakes will dwindle too. I'd like that!

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Records were getting broken around the country when the a rig first came out. There were 40lb plus bags coming from lakes not known to produce them. If it had the impact y’all are saying this would be happening in every lake in the state and it’s not. Some lakes setup specifically well for this type of fishing and Ivey is at the top of that list.

Where are the scoped up giants from Fork, Rayburn, Austin, AH, etc? Those lakes have giants but they aren’t doing what Ivey is.

[rolylane6]

Originally Posted by adam_p

Records were getting broken around the country when the a rig first came out. There were 40lb plus bags coming from lakes not known to produce them. If it had the impact y’all are saying this would be happening in every lake in the state and it’s not. Some lakes setup specifically well for this type of fishing and Ivey is at the top of that list.



Where are the scoped up giants from Fork, Rayburn, Austin, AH, etc? Those lakes have giants but they aren’t doing what Ivey is.

Not yet

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[Bandito10]

Originally Posted by rolylane6

Not yet

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We use live scope on my buddies boat and there are many times we have seen giants on Lake Austin, Lake Travis, and many of these lakes around here in central Texas and have thrown dang near the whole tackle box at those fish only for them to descend to the bottom and to not be seen again. More often then not I will add and it can be very frustrating..What if all this technology only makes these fish smarter to a certain degree? While I think there will be more big ones caught, I don’t think they will be caught as much as you tend to think with the repetition of lures that they potentially could see and slowly educate these fish. Those fish for one don’t get that big being stupid, some of these fish in our lakes go an entire lifetime without ever being caught and could have seen numerous lures go by. Like mentioned above, Ivey is setup perfect for these conditions right now, and while I don’t love the live scope for the sport of fishing and what’s potential to come, I do think you still have to make that fish bite which is no easy task.

[FLASH_OUTDOORS]

Originally Posted by Bandito10

We use live scope on my buddies boat and there are many times we have seen giants on Lake Austin, Lake Travis, and many of these lakes around here in central Texas and have thrown dang near the whole tackle box at those fish only for them to descend to the bottom and to not be seen again. More often then not I will add and it can be very frustrating..What if all this technology only makes these fish smarter to a certain degree? While I think there will be more big ones caught, I don’t think they will be caught as much as you tend to think with the repetition of lures that they potentially could see and slowly educate these fish. Those fish for one don’t get that big being stupid, some of these fish in our lakes go an entire lifetime without ever being caught and could have seen numerous lures go by. Like mentioned above, Ivey is setup perfect for these conditions right now, and while I don’t love the live scope for the sport of fishing and what’s potential to come, I do think you still have to make that fish bite which is no easy task.

Over time all the fish will turn into “park fish”. There is a park near my house that I have personally caught 2 bass over 8lbs, and I’ve seen an 11 pulled out. This park pond has every brand, and every type of lure thrown into it all day everyday. The fish will almost never bite artificial now. Every large bass I’ve seen caught have been with what I would call unconventional means. The fish catch on.


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[tamu_bspeck]

I'm a beneficiary of livescope so I got zero reasons to butter anyone's bread. Truth is, in the right hands, livescope is a very unfair advantage for those willing to put the hours in learning how to use it. Some are willing to invest money with guides to shorten that learning curve and some will spend thousands of dollars and give up before they ever get proficient with it. It's much tougher with bass than crappie but still allows fishermen to specifically target bigger fish.

I guide for crappie with LS and can say that the amount of fish harvested is definitely growing but I don't see lakes struggling for numbers and i fish a lot of lakes each year. You can bet TPWD is keeping a close eye on it too. One thing I have started to take issue with is folks going out and only keeping 14" plus fish so that they can show off a table full of giants. Fun fishing, I keep what I need and will put back the bigger breeder fish if i know theyll survive. I also do my best to convince clients to do the same. The issue I see is a lot of those getting into this know nothing of being a sportsman. Lots of inconsiderate folks on the water and that carries over to wanting to be the guy to post pics of a table full of 2lb fish. That, to me, is what will hurt the sport.

Most of the folks who are spending thousands of dollars would be best served just booking a few trips a year because they won't ever spend the time to learn the nuances and the boat will eventually sit in the driveway or the garage. One thing I'm fairly sure of though is that the crappie populations will continue to thrive. They're prolific spawners and they will evolve with the technology. We already see it on some lakes as the fish get smarter. Hell we educated the crappie in 24 hours at the Mr Crappie Expo on the Red River last year. Literally 1 day of prefishing and we saw a huge difference in the fishes behaviors. Only big change I would like to see is slot limits to keep the non sportsmen from targeting boxes full of big fish. Let the big girls spread their genetics so our children and grandchildren will still have the same opportunities to catch big fish.

[rolylane6]

Originally Posted by Bandito10

We use live scope on my buddies boat and there are many times we have seen giants on Lake Austin, Lake Travis, and many of these lakes around here in central Texas and have thrown dang near the whole tackle box at those fish only for them to descend to the bottom and to not be seen again. More often then not I will add and it can be very frustrating..What if all this technology only makes these fish smarter to a certain degree? While I think there will be more big ones caught, I don’t think they will be caught as much as you tend to think with the repetition of lures that they potentially could see and slowly educate these fish. Those fish for one don’t get that big being stupid, some of these fish in our lakes go an entire lifetime without ever being caught and could have seen numerous lures go by. Like mentioned above, Ivey is setup perfect for these conditions right now, and while I don’t love the live scope for the sport of fishing and what’s potential to come, I do think you still have to make that fish bite which is no easy task.

Josh Jones seems to be pretty good at it. Maybe you can get some lesson from him.
Seriously tho, IMO It's going to catch on and folks will get better at it. Your right to an extent that these fish feel pressure and won't bite ...for a time. Eventually they have to eat. However, fish aren't smart. Their not figuring out that people have some new technology and they have to outsmart it and hide from them. Heck, they don't even know you're trying to catch them. They act purely on instincts. When they feel pressure or threatened they move or seek cover and become inactive as a defense mechanism. No logic involved, only instincts to survive. But eventually they have to eat to survive so they will go into feeding mode to survive. If they are constantly able to be located by the 100's of boats that will be looking for them with tech that allows them to be found like never before, they will be eventually located while actively feeding and will be caught. I'm not saying it's all happening right now, but it's headed that way and fast. Technology and the anglers use of it is only getting better. As more anglers learn to use it properly (and thanks to social media, they will) it will put pressure on these big fish like never before.
I could be wrong...but so could you.

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[tazhunter0]

Great fish for both of them.

I have actually watched some of the YouTube videos that the young guy has put out. Seems very knowledgeable but that is coming from somebody that goes with a guide to fish. I have never owned a boat and just bought kayaks last year to start learning to fish.

[Big Lee]

Originally Posted by warrington

dont understand why this is a bad idea. Congrats to those who are able to catch and release trophy fish like this. once in a lifetime catch. Nice to hear of other lakes beside Fork producing these.

Well unfortunately for this fish. It will now live in a fish tank.

[Snowflake Killa]

I've had livescope about 6 months after it came out. It has definitely changed fishing. Fish that were never touched only by few fisherman are being caught by below average fisherman. I know especially in the crappie world where most people put brush out and just fish brush would catch alot of crappie. Now with livescope its a whole different world. Its the same way with bass fishing. I know side image was great but most people struggled to understand it. It will definitely hurt the crappie fishing because it already started. And for bass i believe it will hurt it too. These fish used to be able to go off shore and get a break not any more. Sight fishing in 30 ft of water



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[Deuce16]

But if rattlesnakes can learn not to rattle since because the hogs will eat them, cant fish learn not to bite the fake bait? Or like the infamous big black cat that magically avoids having its picture taken by all the game cameras and being shot by all the hunters in the woods?
There will always be something out there to make it easier for those that "cant", its the way of the dollar.

[cmwessels]

Parks and Wildlife is the reason these big fish are in that lake. I had a conversation with a TPWD employee on Sunday in Matagorda about this exact topic. He was part of stocking the fingerlings that are now being caught. Facebook and cell phones will cause much more harm than the actual livescope. Most all of these fish are released. I'm fairly certain that anyone targeting bass with a livescope has plenty ability to catch a more desired eating fish or buy something at the store. As for the crappie, I agree that something may have to be done.

[rtjh]

Just watched some YouTube videos on livescope, I had no idea that technology existed. Kinda takes the sport out of fishing and turns it into a video game.

[duckmanep]

I bet a 13lb bass has some nice sized filets.... yumm.

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[GARY]

Originally Posted by ttaxidermy

Yep. Same goes for the fancy guns, with fancy scopes covered in fancy knobs and electric range finding powers and all the rest of the bells and whistles. Oh and the 1,000 yard "muzzle loaders" that are being used these days.

That's my thought as well. I won't cast stones until I am
1) Hunting with a bow / arrow / arrowhead I have built myself
2) Fishing with a man made spear

Technology comes and goes. For the most part (at least bass) I personally have not seen damage to the industry (they return most/all these fish). Saying this, I share your underlying frustration with the perception this gear is leading to more traffic of inept outdoors folks... like the coastal fishing I now enjoy, the overrun with weekenders all on the water who don't know yet how to run a boat safely.

[tamu_bspeck]

Originally Posted by Deuce16

But if rattlesnakes can learn not to rattle since because the hogs will eat them, cant fish learn not to bite the fake bait? Or like the infamous big black cat that magically avoids having its picture taken by all the game cameras and being shot by all the hunters in the woods?
There will always be something out there to make it easier for those that "cant", its the way of the dollar.

We witnessed what the pressure does to fish at the Mr Crappie Invitational on the Red River. Day 1 of prefishing, you could park on top of them in 10ft of water and they wouldn't move. On day 2 they stayed on bottom and didn't bite nearly as easily. Those fish were educated in a hurry. Sure there were fish still caught but they will evolve to be harder to find and catch. Still, crappie are such prolific spawners, it's going to be very difficult to put much of a hurting on the populations

[ElfEyes]

Originally Posted by duckmanep

I bet a 13lb bass has some nice sized filets.... yumm.

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I wouldn't be surprised if them Cajuns on Toledo know how they taste

[tamu_bspeck]

Originally Posted by rtjh

Just watched some YouTube videos on livescope, I had no idea that technology existed. Kinda takes the sport out of fishing and turns it into a video game.

It is a video game of sorts. The common misconception though is that it is easy. I've watched a lot of folks who thought it was plug n play where fish just jumped in the livewell. That's is far from the case. It requires a lot of hours to get really proficient with it. I had probably 1000 or more hours before I felt like it became cheating. Most will never put in that type of commitment. It isn't just learning the technology. You have to learn boat control and bait presentation as well.

[rtjh]

Originally Posted by tamu_bspeck

It is a video game of sorts. The common misconception though is that it is easy. I've watched a lot of folks who thought it was plug n play where fish just jumped in the livewell. That's is far from the case. It requires a lot of hours to get really proficient with it. I had probably 1000 or more hours before I felt like it became cheating. Most will never put in that type of commitment. It isn't just learning the technology. You have to learn boat control and bait presentation as well.

I don't doubt it takes some level of skill to be proficient but being able to bonk a fish in the nose with your lure in 20 feet of cloudy water just seems a bit unfair. To each his own though.

[unclefish]

Less than half of these SAL fish were caught offshore using active sonar. Most were caught spawning. So are some people worried about active sonar but not bank fishing for spawners? Catching a fish spawning on the bank is way easier IMO than tracking down a fish in open water and getting it to bite.

[kevin nicholls]

Those same guys using all this technology and high speed stuff were catching them before it came out and will catch em without it. They could out fish most of us with a Snoopy pole and a canoe. Technology doesn't make the fisherman no more than it makes the hunter. It's still the Indian not the arrow. Just my 2 cents.

[Dru]

Originally Posted by bossbowman

Are you the Dru from BTL?

Yes

[Tbull9]

Originally Posted by rtjh

I don't doubt it takes some level of skill to be proficient but being able to bonk a fish in the nose with your lure in 20 feet of cloudy water just seems a bit unfair. To each his own though.

You wound be suprised how hard it really is to hit a fish with a lure watching it on livescope. With trying to control the boat and the fish moving it’s pretty hard. I fish quite a few bass tournaments a year and I think livescope can hurt you just as much as it can help you. I have spent many hours during tournaments fishing for suspended fish offshore for them to not bite. You can definitely waste some time watching the screen.

[bossbowman]

Originally Posted by Dru

Yes

Cool, frequented that website for tour news since 2007 and the wide open days, Matt needs a sidekick it ain't the same without Mark.

[Dru]

Originally Posted by bossbowman

Cool, frequented that website for tour news since 2007 and the wide open days, Matt needs a sidekick it ain't the same without Mark.

Yes he does. A lot of guys around Norman can guest host with him. He needs to bring Harold Allen back. Mark is trying his hand at pro bowling now.

[tamu_bspeck]

Originally Posted by rtjh

I don't doubt it takes some level of skill to be proficient but being able to bonk a fish in the nose with your lure in 20 feet of cloudy water just seems a bit unfair. To each his own though.

We could do it before livescope essentially but not as efficiently albeit. 2d sonar allowed you to see your jig and the fish. It wasn't live sonar but you could mark depths of active fish and use that to identify structure to fish and drop your Bair right down amongst them. You didn't get to see them react the way we do now though. I know guys that can point at a tree on fork and tell you the exact depth to drop to and you would catch a fish as soon as it got there. Mammals are creatures of habit and they tend to end up in the same places with comparable conditions

[MadHatter]

Originally Posted by tamu_bspeck

We could do it before livescope essentially but not as efficiently albeit. 2d sonar allowed you to see your jig and the fish. It wasn't live sonar but you could mark depths of active fish and use that to identify structure to fish and drop your Bair right down amongst them. You didn't get to see them react the way we do now though. I know guys that can point at a tree on fork and tell you the exact depth to drop to and you would catch a fish as soon as it got there. Mammals are creatures of habit and they tend to end up in the same places with comparable conditions

Fish ain't mammals

[tamu_bspeck]

Originally Posted by MadHatter

Fish ain't mammals

Parently my fingers are too fat or type too fast. Sposed to say animals not mammals.

[adam_p]

Originally Posted by duckmanep

I bet a 13lb bass has some nice sized filets.... yumm.

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I've ate a 10, it wasn't that good. Small bass eat great.

Originally Posted by rtjh

Just watched some YouTube videos on livescope, I had no idea that technology existed. Kinda takes the sport out of fishing and turns it into a video game.

I've been video game fishing with old school 2d sonar for years.

[HoustonHunter94]

Looks like another 14+ was caught today on Ivie

[unclefish]

Originally Posted by HoustonHunter94

Looks like another 14+ was caught today on Ivie

Josh Jones strikes again....2 this year and 2 last year. Just insane how good he is!

[Quackerbox]

Originally Posted by FLASH_OUTDOORS

Over time all the fish will turn into “park fish”. There is a park near my house that I have personally caught 2 bass over 8lbs, and I’ve seen an 11 pulled out. This park pond has every brand, and every type of lure thrown into it all day everyday. The fish will almost never bite artificial now. Every large bass I’ve seen caught have been with what I would call unconventional means. The fish catch on.


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If youre talking about the lake in the front of then hood, you should have seen if before it got drained and dug out. It was nothing to go catch 10-15 bass a day in the spring. On any bait you wanted to throw. I have a pic somewhere of me standing on a sandbar that was on the north west corner of it. I have 4 bass over 6lbs that I caught within an hour of each other.

After it got dug and filled in there was a few people that got together and put fish in that lake with their own money. I personally brought fish there from other lakes and turned them loose. We had put standing timber and brush piles all over it. It was a great neighborhood pond.

[FLASH_OUTDOORS]

Originally Posted by Quackerbox

If youre talking about the lake in the front of then hood, you should have seen if before it got drained and dug out. It was nothing to go catch 10-15 bass a day in the spring. On any bait you wanted to throw. I have a pic somewhere of me standing on a sandbar that was on the north west corner of it. I have 4 bass over 6lbs that I caught within an hour of each other.

After it got dug and filled in there was a few people that got together and put fish in that lake with their own money. I personally brought fish there from other lakes and turned them loose. We had put standing timber and brush piles all over it. It was a great neighborhood pond.

No I was referring to Burroughs. Never caught anything over 2lbs at the hood.


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[Quackerbox]

Originally Posted by FLASH_OUTDOORS

No I was referring to Burroughs. Never caught anything over 2lbs at the hood.


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Burroughs was better before it opened to the public. The pct camp was there a while before that happened. Depending on who you knew the gate didn't always get locked. My son caught one just over 6lbs first week of December

The deer back there are an entirely different thread

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[FLASH_OUTDOORS]

Originally Posted by Quackerbox

Burroughs was better before it opened to the public. The pct camp was there a while before that happened. Depending on who you knew the gate didn't always get locked. My son caught one just over 6lbs first week of December

The deer back there are an entirely different thread

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Try catching anything now. The banks are lined daily


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[bossbowman]

F just got an alert that guy caught another SAL.

[Hoss163]

Originally Posted by unclefish

Josh Jones strikes again....2 this year and 2 last year. Just insane how good he is!

It want be his last this week probably. He finds them with llivescope 4r5 big fish in a group are single out one big fish and chases it around until he gets it to bite. A lot of patience!!

[careybirdwell]

I have been wanting to take my kayak up there. I know nothing about the lake, but it is about 40 miles from my lease. I see it has a lot of stick ups & flooded brush

[Chad C]

Originally Posted by Hoss163

It want be his last this week probably. He finds them with llivescope 4r5 big fish in a group are single out one big fish and chases it around until he gets it to bite. A lot of patience!!

Yes


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[rolylane6]

https://shopkarls.com/blog/world-rec...spotted%20bass.
New state record meanmouth. Would've been world record but too many hooks used

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