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    It's sorta delusional to think the dems are going to play nice in the future if we were to wait till after the election...we ALL KNOW what hand the dems would be playing right now if they had the senate & the witch had won in 16.

    I think everything you state is already in their playbook & it's WAY past time to be the only side that plays fair...they have been lying & cheating on this admin the day he took office. It's time to take the gloves off, put on the brass knuckles & do everything humanly possible to save what's left of the republic.

    Respect of norms with the democrats was tossed out years ago...there is no honor left when it comes to the power grab.


    Originally posted by icon6669 View Post
    This will likely be my only post ever in this forum.
    Unless you believe neither party will ever control all 3 branches ever again, confirming a new justice before the election, or in the lame duck *if* the senate majority or white house changes hands is extremely short sighted on several levels.
    It seems like a lot of people think the "lifetime appointment" of justices is not just yet another aspect of our governmental system that relies on norms to stay in place. Justices are still accountable to the majority will of both branches of Congress they can be impeached. Additionally it really doesn’t matter how many justices have been appointed, since Congress also gets to set the number that make up the supreme court, the court can be packed. The only thing that stops these things from happening is the respect of the norms, concerns of institutional legitimacy, and that knowledge that at some point the other party may be in power in these norms and institutions will protect us. Once it has been shown that now the normal mode of operation is to grab as much power as possible and then entrench it as permanently as you can, there’s no reason to do anything other than as soon as you have control of all three branches immediately make systemic changes to lock that control in. If the Republicans go forward in this fashion, as soon as the Democrats control all three branches, which could be as soon as Jan 2021, they would be foolish to not do three things immediately
    1) revoke the filibuster
    2) pack the court to say 15 justices or if it’s easier simply impeach the last two
    3) make DC in Puerto Rico states, which is a bit more of a lift but very doable

    All of which is legal if you have the votes. The only thing that stops this from occurring is a sense of political backlash from such a naked power grab, which will be much less of a issue if a justice has been appointed in lame duck or before the election.
    Additionally, if you actually value the standing of the United States and the stability of our institutions this may be the straw that breaks breaks the camels back in the long term. None of this will stop here, it will accelerate. The risk is far too high to go down this path for something that isn’t actually permanent anyway.
    If the White House and the Senate majority stays after the election then they can do what they want, confirm Amy Barret, and it’ll all be within reasonable bounds.

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      Originally posted by icon6669 View Post
      This will likely be my only post ever in this forum.
      Unless you believe neither party will ever control all 3 branches ever again, confirming a new justice before the election, or in the lame duck *if* the senate majority or white house changes hands is extremely short sighted on several levels.
      It seems like a lot of people think the "lifetime appointment" of justices is not just yet another aspect of our governmental system that relies on norms to stay in place. Justices are still accountable to the majority will of both branches of Congress they can be impeached. Additionally it really doesn’t matter how many justices have been appointed, since Congress also gets to set the number that make up the supreme court, the court can be packed. The only thing that stops these things from happening is the respect of the norms, concerns of institutional legitimacy, and that knowledge that at some point the other party may be in power in these norms and institutions will protect us. Once it has been shown that now the normal mode of operation is to grab as much power as possible and then entrench it as permanently as you can, there’s no reason to do anything other than as soon as you have control of all three branches immediately make systemic changes to lock that control in. If the Republicans go forward in this fashion, as soon as the Democrats control all three branches, which could be as soon as Jan 2021, they would be foolish to not do three things immediately
      1) revoke the filibuster
      2) pack the court to say 15 justices or if it’s easier simply impeach the last two
      3) make DC in Puerto Rico states, which is a bit more of a lift but very doable

      All of which is legal if you have the votes. The only thing that stops this from occurring is a sense of political backlash from such a naked power grab, which will be much less of a issue if a justice has been appointed in lame duck or before the election.
      Additionally, if you actually value the standing of the United States and the stability of our institutions this may be the straw that breaks breaks the camels back in the long term. None of this will stop here, it will accelerate. The risk is far too high to go down this path for something that isn’t actually permanent anyway.
      If the White House and the Senate majority stays after the election then they can do what they want, confirm Amy Barret, and it’ll all be within reasonable bounds.
      Nah, get er done, before Christmas. Don't be scared.

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        Originally posted by icon6669 View Post
        This will likely be my only post ever in this forum.
        Unless you believe neither party will ever control all 3 branches ever again, confirming a new justice before the election, or in the lame duck *if* the senate majority or white house changes hands is extremely short sighted on several levels.
        It seems like a lot of people think the "lifetime appointment" of justices is not just yet another aspect of our governmental system that relies on norms to stay in place. Justices are still accountable to the majority will of both branches of Congress they can be impeached. Additionally it really doesn’t matter how many justices have been appointed, since Congress also gets to set the number that make up the supreme court, the court can be packed. The only thing that stops these things from happening is the respect of the norms, concerns of institutional legitimacy, and that knowledge that at some point the other party may be in power in these norms and institutions will protect us. Once it has been shown that now the normal mode of operation is to grab as much power as possible and then entrench it as permanently as you can, there’s no reason to do anything other than as soon as you have control of all three branches immediately make systemic changes to lock that control in. If the Republicans go forward in this fashion, as soon as the Democrats control all three branches, which could be as soon as Jan 2021, they would be foolish to not do three things immediately
        1) revoke the filibuster
        2) pack the court to say 15 justices or if it’s easier simply impeach the last two
        3) make DC in Puerto Rico states, which is a bit more of a lift but very doable

        All of which is legal if you have the votes. The only thing that stops this from occurring is a sense of political backlash from such a naked power grab, which will be much less of a issue if a justice has been appointed in lame duck or before the election.
        Additionally, if you actually value the standing of the United States and the stability of our institutions this may be the straw that breaks breaks the camels back in the long term. None of this will stop here, it will accelerate. The risk is far too high to go down this path for something that isn’t actually permanent anyway.
        If the White House and the Senate majority stays after the election then they can do what they want, confirm Amy Barret, and it’ll all be within reasonable bounds.

        You vastly underestimate how fed up American patriots are with this communist takeover of the Democratic Party. Sorry man. It’ll get REAL before we allow the d’s to stack the SCOTUS

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          Originally posted by JLivi1224 View Post
          You vastly underestimate how fed up American patriots are with this communist takeover of the Democratic Party. Sorry man. It’ll get REAL before we allow the d’s to stack the SCOTUS
          Agree

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            Originally posted by Artos View Post
            It's sorta delusional to think the dems are going to play nice in the future if we were to wait till after the election...we ALL KNOW what hand the dems would be playing right now if they had the senate & the witch had won in 16.

            I think everything you state is already in their playbook & it's WAY past time to be the only side that plays fair...they have been lying & cheating on this admin the day he took office. It's time to take the gloves off, put on the brass knuckles & do everything humanly possible to save what's left of the republic.

            Respect of norms with the democrats was tossed out years ago...there is no honor left when it comes to the power grab.
            Exactly, well said. These radical communists will stop at nothing to regain power so they can further destroy our country. There is a huge list I thing should be charged with TREASON. It's time to stand our ground & push back on these freaks.

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              How's this for 'respect of norms'...heads are exploding & I love it.


              Pelosi won't rule out using impeachment as option to stop Trump Supreme Court pick

              House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday would not rule out impeachment as an option to stop President Trump’s Supreme Court pick from being confirmed to the bench, saying Democrats will “use every arrow in our quiver” to block the eventual nominee.

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                Im curious when God is going to strike Pelosi down. She is an evil, evil human being.

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                  Originally posted by Artos View Post
                  How's this for 'respect of norms'...heads are exploding & I love it.


                  Pelosi won't rule out using impeachment as option to stop Trump Supreme Court pick

                  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pel...eme-court-pick
                  It's a civil war, clear and present danger.

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                    Originally posted by Thumper View Post
                    It's a civil war, clear and present danger.
                    Those dems are the greatest threat to this country and are complete disgraces to everything this country Is about

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                      What if God is giving the opportunity for people that say they fear Him to stand up and save millions of babies lives, repent, and change our ways.


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                        Originally posted by Shane View Post
                        The risk of going into the election with only 8 justices on the Supreme Court is too great. Trump could win every state, and the Dems are going to contest the results in court. The people who won't vote for Trump or an incumbent Republican Senator because they filled a vacant seat on the SC before an election are the same people who aren't going to vote for Trump or an incumbent Republican Senator anyway. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth on the left, but who cares? Trump needs to make the nomination first thing Monday morning, and then the Senate Republicans need to get the nominee confirmed ASAP. The election is VERY important. But the results of that can be reversed in 2 and 4 years. The Supreme Court seat is a much longer term and more important deal, and it also has huge implications on this year's presidential election.

                        Fill the seat.

                        x10

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                          Originally posted by icon6669 View Post
                          This will likely be my only post ever in this forum.
                          Unless you believe neither party will ever control all 3 branches ever again, confirming a new justice before the election, or in the lame duck *if* the senate majority or white house changes hands is extremely short sighted on several levels.
                          It seems like a lot of people think the "lifetime appointment" of justices is not just yet another aspect of our governmental system that relies on norms to stay in place. Justices are still accountable to the majority will of both branches of Congress they can be impeached. Additionally it really doesn’t matter how many justices have been appointed, since Congress also gets to set the number that make up the supreme court, the court can be packed. The only thing that stops these things from happening is the respect of the norms, concerns of institutional legitimacy, and that knowledge that at some point the other party may be in power in these norms and institutions will protect us. Once it has been shown that now the normal mode of operation is to grab as much power as possible and then entrench it as permanently as you can, there’s no reason to do anything other than as soon as you have control of all three branches immediately make systemic changes to lock that control in. If the Republicans go forward in this fashion, as soon as the Democrats control all three branches, which could be as soon as Jan 2021, they would be foolish to not do three things immediately
                          1) revoke the filibuster
                          2) pack the court to say 15 justices or if it’s easier simply impeach the last two
                          3) make DC in Puerto Rico states, which is a bit more of a lift but very doable

                          All of which is legal if you have the votes. The only thing that stops this from occurring is a sense of political backlash from such a naked power grab, which will be much less of a issue if a justice has been appointed in lame duck or before the election.
                          Additionally, if you actually value the standing of the United States and the stability of our institutions this may be the straw that breaks breaks the camels back in the long term. None of this will stop here, it will accelerate. The risk is far too high to go down this path for something that isn’t actually permanent anyway.
                          If the White House and the Senate majority stays after the election then they can do what they want, confirm Amy Barret, and it’ll all be within reasonable bounds.


                          Unless you haven’t been paying attention rules of decorum went out the windows a long time ago starting with Harry Ried if not before.


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                            Originally posted by Mike D View Post
                            Unless you haven’t been paying attention rules of decorum went out the windows a long time ago starting with Harry Ried if not before.


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                            I think he missed the entire 8 years of Obama and apparently has not heard a work spoken by any democrat in the last 20 years

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                              Originally posted by Bayouboy View Post
                              ............. I was reared in the Catholic church. ..............
                              So was I.

                              You're confusing the Catholic Church and Catholics as one in the same. The Catholic Church is problematic, not Catholics. She's already stated she believes in upholding the powers of separation of church and state. She's working for the Constitution, not the Catholic Church.
                              Last edited by Thumper; 09-20-2020, 12:56 PM.

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                                Originally posted by Artos View Post
                                It's sorta delusional to think the dems are going to play nice in the future if we were to wait till after the election...we ALL KNOW what hand the dems would be playing right now if they had the senate & the witch had won in 16.

                                I think everything you state is already in their playbook & it's WAY past time to be the only side that plays fair...they have been lying & cheating on this admin the day he took office. It's time to take the gloves off, put on the brass knuckles & do everything humanly possible to save what's left of the republic.

                                Respect of norms with the democrats was tossed out years ago...there is no honor left when it comes to the power grab.
                                x10...

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