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Old 02-18-2020, 08:12 AM   #1
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My 16 year sold son wants to be a welder. He took welding in school and loves it. I bought him a Lincoln 225 AC/DC welder because that is what the teacher taught him to use. Now that he is starting, I want to make sure he is safe. I bought him an auto tinting helmet. He has gloves. What else does he need? What does he need to do and not do to be safe? My main concern is burns and breathing the smoke. I make him do it outside so there is fresh air.

How easy is it to be electrocuted?

What else don't I know to ask you?
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:18 AM   #2
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Burns is just part of ot the trade a good hood helps alot. Getting electrocuted is slim get him a lot of steel to practice with then let him start making things.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:18 AM   #3
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I would suggest a leather welding apron, bib type.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:21 AM   #4
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We require all our welders to either have a ventilation system next to the weld or wear a respirator. I don't use one at the house but really should. A good hood, good gloves and maybe leather sleeves or jacket. I would wear a leather jacket when I would arc gouge but just a heavy starched shirt or leather sleeves when stick welding overhead.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:21 AM   #5
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I would suggest a leather welding apron, bib type.

Quality gloves and an apron or sleeves. Like others have said......burns are part of the game.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:24 AM   #6
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A leather half jacket to cover his upper body and sleeves.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:25 AM   #7
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And don't forget the welders hat, just cause.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:27 AM   #8
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And button the top button, I've gotten some nasty (sun) burns in the shape of a vee from welding.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:31 AM   #9
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Safety glasses, ear plugs, 1/2 mask respirator, face shield , frc, hard hat, steel toe boots
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:34 AM   #10
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Can’t stress enough about a good auto adjusting hood , I burned my eyes really bad once when welding late in to the evening and used the prop and pop method after a trip to the ER for eye sauve, I invested in a really good hood .
Protect those eyes

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Old 02-18-2020, 08:40 AM   #11
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You've got to do it right.
Set up an account at the cleaners so his shirts and jeans will stand in the corner from being heavily starched.

Get him 24 different welding caps so he can change at every "Little Debbie" break.

Get him 4 different pairs of "Pipeliner Special" glasses to wear under the hood.

Explain to him about the Safety man and how he already knows more and everything about safety and the Safety man is only there to get him run off the job.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:49 AM   #12
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Safety glasses under that hood as the hood doesn't protect you from flying objects such as broken grinding disc. Leathers are a must to keep from getting burned. Oh and get some good FR clothing so it won't flame up.


Miller makes a really good welding respirator that all my welders use. Don't breath in any galvanized for sure. That stuff will make you sick.

And as others have mentioned, spend the money on a quality welding hood and lens. Your eyes can't be repaired once they are damaged. And tell him to not just turn his head to tack. Always have the welding hood down. Although I am sure like all welders he will learn the hardway about welding burn.

Hit me up if you have any questions, as I am a safety manager for a metal fab shop.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:51 AM   #13
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My kid welds and I started him on a Hobart self tinting hood. I thought I was getting him something good. He has a hood now that he more or less bought the pieces for himself and does not look near as modern.

Good boots, heavy starched shirts, ear plugs, and good safety glasses as he will be grinding and cutting a lot as he learns- he will also use the grinder to cut with instead of waiting for one of the cutting torches if it is like most welding classes.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:53 AM   #14
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Fire Extinguisher, just in case!
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Just teach him to fit pipe......that welder will be working for him in a couple years
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:00 AM   #16
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Calling Dale. Dale Moser!!?? Lol


Make sure he isn't welding anything galvanized until he is 30yrs old or older.

In all seriousness make sure to do all the above. And enjoy the trade. It can be a great hobby, side gig, or career. Also warn him, it's like having a truck. You'll have lots of friends when the time is right for them. Charge accordingly.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:02 AM   #17
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Just teach him to fit pipe......that welder will be working for him in a couple years

Yepper…...
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:22 AM   #18
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Right now he is just welding pieces of scrap and pipe together. He is using a shiny piece of metal for a table top. I don't think it is Galvanized.

I don't have anything for him to cut the metal with right now. What is the best recommendation for a starter?
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:26 AM   #19
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Right now he is just welding pieces of scrap and pipe together. He is using a shiny piece of metal for a table top. I don't think it is Galvanized.

I don't have anything for him to cut the metal with right now. What is the best recommendation for a starter?
Torch! Most people today can't run a torch to save their lives!
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:33 AM   #20
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Torch! Most people today can't run a torch to save their lives!
This, I can't tell you how many I have had to train to use a torch and some being welders. I bought the largest bottles a homeowner could 30 years ago and they have really been handy. Learn to use a rosebud also and to weld and braze with it, it's a dying art.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:43 AM   #21
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Shirt tail out and don't tuck your pants in your boots.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:44 AM   #22
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Safety glasses any time he is using tools. Even under the hood. Get him in the habit. Having stuff extracted from his eye is not pleasant. I've trained my daughter to wear them at all times from the time she was little and helping me out. Glasses are cheap. I keep them staged all over the place. Probably have 20-30 pairs scattered around, so I always have some close at hand.

A good respirator like mentioned above. I also like the Miller. It fits under the hood.

Hearing protection - encourage him to be in the habit of using it. My hearing is crap from years of not wearing protection.

Good gloves - welding gloves and also material handling gloves. Get some that fit.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:14 AM   #23
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Cut a piece of leather to either clip on the bottom of the helmet, or simply drill out some holes and rivet, or use small bolts to hold the leather on. Makes it handy when it gets hot outside, protects your neck/chest so you don't have to button your shirt all the way up.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:34 AM   #24
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Cut a piece of leather to either clip on the bottom of the helmet, or simply drill out some holes and rivet, or use small bolts to hold the leather on. Makes it handy when it gets hot outside, protects your neck/chest so you don't have to button your shirt all the way up.

Smartest comment yet.

Take him to welding store and let him try on every pair of gloves to find what fits and feels good.
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:07 AM   #25
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Don’t forget about heat stress. Plenty of water, don’t push it if you start getting the shakes.
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:28 AM   #26
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Calling Dale. Dale Moser!!?? Lol


Make sure he isn't welding anything galvanized until he is 30yrs old or older.

In all seriousness make sure to do all the above. And enjoy the trade. It can be a great hobby, side gig, or career. Also warn him, it's like having a truck. You'll have lots of friends when the time is right for them. Charge accordingly.
I'm probably not the best to ask about safety.

Get used to getting burned. Have some kind of sleeves on. WEAR HEARING PROTECTION....grinders and hammers are what I think hurt my hearing the most. I've never owned any leathers, but wouldn't mind some for overhead stuff.

Make sure combustible fuel containers are well away from your work area.
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Cut a piece of leather to either clip on the bottom of the helmet, or simply drill out some holes and rivet, or use small bolts to hold the leather on. Makes it handy when it gets hot outside, protects your neck/chest so you don't have to button your shirt all the way up.
Also stops the flash from reflecting under the hood, especially off a light shirt. I glued a bandana in mine so it isn't heavy.
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:41 AM   #28
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Shirt tail out and don't tuck your pants in your boots.
Until that grinder with the cutting wheel on it catches a tail and slices your belly open. Shirts tucked in with leathers and you don't have to worry about it.
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:47 AM   #29
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Remind him those welding gloves aren’t just for when he’s welding. Metal will cut the crap out of you and it stays hot for a while after you grind/cut/weld.

Also make sure he wears good boots - steel or composite toe. Too easy to bust a toe or get burned wearing tennis shoes.
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Ventilation and safety glass are the only things I wish I would have been better at over the years.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:12 PM   #31
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leather bibs, safety goggles, face mask (from some fumes) and some sort of a fire proof cap/hat, I get sparks on top of my head sometimes and they burn my scalp and hair. I wear a hat now.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:22 PM   #32
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lot of good comments on here, can't really add anything much ... other than when you're outside, have a water can or hose handy so you can douse a fire in dry grass.
Everything else, I've learned the hard way.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:35 PM   #33
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Wear safety glasses at all times when grinding..had a cuttin disc blow up and cut my shirt and me...you can never be too careful
Wear long sleeves when welding too..weld burn ain’t too fun.
Most people make fun of the welding caps but they are needed..welding sparks and slag down the ear is the most interesting and painful experience I have been through.
Everybody and their uncle will need something welded..remember he has a skill and talent that needs to be charged for..don’t be shy on charging appropriately for jobs. They can go buy all the equipment and teach themselves how to weldi if they don’t like your price.
Always have plenty of soapstone handy
Last of all..have fun..welding for me is a fun way to be outside enjoying the weather
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:10 PM   #34
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“” Everybody and their uncle will need something welded..remember he has a skill and talent that needs to be charged for..don’t be shy on charging appropriately for jobs. They can go buy all the equipment and teach themselves how to weldi if they don’t like your price. ””

This is very sound advice, every thing I had on my welding trailer cost me money
And every one seems to have just one “little “ thing they need welded , cut , ect
Crumbs make loaves on keeping up on time and cost ( O2 and other materials)
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Also - I bought an evolution cold cut saw. It’s the cats meow if he’s cutting relatively small tube/pipe. Fairly cheap, fast cutting, and it’s the smoothest cut of anything I’ve used.

I agree with charging - someone wants him to build something, barter for the customers buying him tools. Pretty soon he can have a decent set of equipment he paid for with his skills & time.
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Remind him those welding gloves aren’t just for when he’s welding. Metal will cut the crap out of you and it stays hot for a while after you grind/cut/weld.

Also make sure he wears good boots - steel or composite toe. Too easy to bust a toe or get burned wearing tennis shoes.
So you're saying crocs aren't the best footwear?
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I want to hear more concerning "How easy is it to be electrocuted". I've always been real cautious with a welder, never been shocked.

Just out of high school (1982), I worked as a welders helper, my name was dirtball. One day, Paul was sitting on an I-Beam arc welding a seam. He needed to change out his electrode, as he stood up, he looked over at me and said something like- I bet you thought I was going to change it out." Been almost 40 years, sorry can't recall the exacts.

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Man, after reading all the above I should be dead.....
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All of the above, and be sure his shirt is buttoned all the way. A grinder will kick your arse if it catches your shirt tail. Tucked in is best.
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Lots of good advice. The best advice said to me starting out was “Don't weld on 55 gallon drums!” You can never be sure what was in them and they will BLOW UP!” Said a crotchety old Welding Instructor




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Always wear gloves and safety glasses! No ifs ands or buts. Grinding and cutting are gonna be where he danger is.
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Man, after reading all the above I should be dead.....
Ain’t that right!! I don’t see how I made it past 15yrs old. Geez..... the kid is just doing some backyard hobby welding. Respirators and industrial ventilation systems......he will be well prepared if OSHA drops by the house.


Good hood (let him pick it out), gloves, glasses, hat to cover is off side ear, a long sleeve khaki wrangler shirt. He’s gonna get burnt. He will learn to just take the pain and keep the rod burning. You can try to make him wear leathers, but he’s not going to once it gets hot outside. Get him a good Victor torch. He needs to learn how to light it/set it correctly and also how a good clean tip is more important than anything in torch work. (Most people have no idea what a clean tip flame looks like). A good torch hand takes a while to develop.

On a side not...... urge him to go to college. Being a welder is hot in the summer and cold in the winter. I was dead set on that being my career, just as my Dad had done, but thankfully a good friend of mine convinced me to try college for one semester. Best choice of my life.
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If you get a MIG welder, check your gas level, extra tips and an extra spoil of wire during the week when planning a big weekend project. Running out ten minutes after the welding store closes is my M.O.

A good cold saw, some clamps, squares, and marking tools were all game changers. Drill bits, step drills and an air die grinder with some plastic backed backed abrasives are invaluable and available at Harbor freight. Learn about the prep, undercutting, shrink and planning out your project for movement.
No frayed jeans, can’t react fast enough when you set yourself on fire.
A 5” Bosch grinder, the higher the amperage the better.
Learn to weld different positions before you need to. Wear glasses under your helmet so you still have eye protection when the hoods up, especially when there are others working nearby.
Also, learn what blood poisoning is. I stuck a MIG wire in my knee when I was a teenager and ended up in the ER when my leg started giving me trouble. Might as well get a tetanus shot while you’re at it.
Lastly, make sure it’ll fit out the garage door when done and unhook batteries when welding on skidsteers, tractors, vehicles etc.

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Ear plugs are a must. I had to have a welding BB removed from my ear drum. I was very lucky. If it had gone through I would have lost my hearing.
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Good safety glasses. Learned that the hard way. Had to have shaving drilled out of my eye.
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NO lace up shoes or boots!! Hard to get slag out of them fast.
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Old 02-18-2020, 07:44 PM   #47
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G, which Lincoln 225 AC/DC did ya get him? I'll help ya/him out any way I can. "Neosporin Cream with Pain Relief" is good stuff for light burns. Also reduces scarring. Ice-water/cold water, is good for temp relieving bad ones. Make sure the tint on the hood lens is set properly for eye protection. I've had my eyes burnt more than a time or two. I once had both patched for 3 days. And wasn't allowed to weld for 30. (That was from running some 9/64ths Dual Shield at 224-226 amps for those wondering). Safety glasses are the best thing when grinding or working metal (other than goggles which make working almost impossible). I've also had plenty of metal pricked from my eyes in emergency rooms. There's nothing like watching that needle heading into your eye. Then having the E-tech dig around in the hole with something like a dentist drill, to make sure all the rust is out. I've got a lifetime of stories if ya want to hear them.





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Until that grinder with the cutting wheel on it catches a tail and slices your belly open. Shirts tucked in with leathers and you don't have to worry about it.
Having a lifetime of welding, I've had my share of injuries.

I had that happen once, just once, with a 9" grinder. Learned my lesson. Layed open my diaphragm just below my ribs and sternum about 7". It burnt everything skin wise. And left some nasty dirt/grinding wheel dust in it. Took forever to heal. Oozed a whole lot for a long time.
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Old 02-18-2020, 07:55 PM   #48
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Yepper…...
Come on man.... Buy the kid some good steel.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:14 PM   #49
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He shouldn't have much chance of getting electrocuted. Shocked? Oh yeah, there will be some of that. He'll figure it out.
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Old 02-19-2020, 07:54 AM   #50
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It is the Lincoln AC/DC Arc welder.


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G, which Lincoln 225 AC/DC did ya get him? I'll help ya/him out any way I can. "Neosporin Cream with Pain Relief" is good stuff for light burns. Also reduces scarring. Ice-water/cold water, is good for temp relieving bad ones. Make sure the tint on the hood lens is set properly for eye protection. I've had my eyes burnt more than a time or two. I once had both patched for 3 days. And wasn't allowed to weld for 30. (That was from running some 9/64ths Dual Shield at 224-226 amps for those wondering). Safety glasses are the best thing when grinding or working metal (other than goggles which make working almost impossible). I've also had plenty of metal pricked from my eyes in emergency rooms. There's nothing like watching that needle heading into your eye. Then having the E-tech dig around in the hole with something like a dentist drill, to make sure all the rust is out. I've got a lifetime of stories if ya want to hear them.






Having a lifetime of welding, I've had my share of injuries.

I had that happen once, just once, with a 9" grinder. Learned my lesson. Layed open my diaphragm just below my ribs and sternum about 7". It burnt everything skin wise. And left some nasty dirt/grinding wheel dust in it. Took forever to heal. Oozed a whole lot for a long time.
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