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Old 06-11-2019, 02:07 PM   #1
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Hey Guys (and Gals)! In the last couple days I have seen news feeds about the growing northern Gulf "Dead Zone" primarily off the coast of Louisiana and Texas. But, I also see news feeds about great fishing in the same general area's. Anyone know what the real story is here? Much appreciation on real info. Thanks!
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:15 PM   #2
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I've always wondered that as well.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:32 PM   #3
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It's a prediction
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.b2047fad8b69
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:33 PM   #4
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I've always wondered that as well.
Hopefully someone on here can enlighten us.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:35 PM   #5
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I have to think about the predictions of the Valdez wreck and the Deep Water Horizion spill. These two disasters bounced back a whole lot quicker that the so call experts ever thought.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:43 PM   #6
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I would think with ocean currents mixing it won't be an issue....
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:32 PM   #7
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So why all the squack on the news.... Trust me...I don't trust the news, but I would love to hear some first hand takes.
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:48 PM   #8
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So why all the squack on the news.... Trust me...I don't trust the news, but I would love to hear some first hand takes.
Really you donít know? All this extreme rain over the spring , record flooding per seí, all the influx of freshwater into salts gonna kill everything. Create a story, cause panic, then preach the cause? Called climated change/ global warming. This **** has been happening naturally for centuries
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So why all the squack on the news.... Trust me...I don't trust the news, but I would love to hear some first hand takes.
Slow news week.

I have been seeing a lot of fishing reports from Venice, and the Chandelier Islands. Doesn't seem to be a dead zone there to me.

I will have more of a fishing report on Saturday from CI when my buddy gets back.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:10 PM   #10
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Really you donít know? All this extreme rain over the spring , record flooding per seí, all the influx of freshwater into salts gonna kill everything. Create a story, cause panic, then preach the cause? Called climated change/ global warming. This **** has been happening naturally for centuries
Pollution on today's scale, no. Or do you honestly believe all the s&^t we pump into the oceans doesn't have any cause and effect?
I'm sure if you had told all the farmers in 1925, "hey guys, if you all till the land, and grow a ton of wheat, you will destroy 100 million of acres. You will ruin the land so bad you will have to move, because you will no longer be able to live here", they would have laughed in your face".

But to try and stand up for the natural world, or protect it, is always an agenda fueled idea

The whole world is in collusion against American conservatives it seems. Even NOAA. Them shady bastages.
It seems conservative are the worlds last chance at survival.
Narcissistic much?

What should they say? Hey guys, pump the oceans full, it will come back one day .

Science gains knowledge faster than man gains wisdom.
That's a fact.
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Pollution on today's scale, no. Or do you honestly believe all the s&^t we pump into the oceans doesn't have any cause and effect?
I'm sure if you had told all the farmers in 1925, "hey guys, if you all till the land, and grow a ton of wheat, you will destroy 100 million of acres. You will ruin the land so bad you will have to move, because you will no longer be able to live here", they would have laughed in your face".

But to try and stand up for the natural world, or protect it, is always an agenda fueled idea

The whole world is in collusion against American conservatives it seems. Even NOAA. Them shady bastages.
It seems conservative are the worlds last chance at survival.
Narcissistic much?

What should they say? Hey guys, pump the oceans full, it will come back one day .

Science gains knowledge faster than man gains wisdom.
That's a fact.
https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/th...-QmrC5Si9kcf2Q
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:24 PM   #12
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guess I missed the reports!!!!!
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:24 PM   #13
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Pollution on today's scale, no. Or do you honestly believe all the s&^t we pump into the oceans doesn't have any cause and effect?
I'm sure if you had told all the farmers in 1925, "hey guys, if you all till the land, and grow a ton of wheat, you will destroy 100 million of acres. You will ruin the land so bad you will have to move, because you will no longer be able to live here", they would have laughed in your face".

But to try and stand up for the natural world, or protect it, is always an agenda fueled idea

The whole world is in collusion against American conservatives it seems. Even NOAA. Them shady bastages.
It seems conservative are the worlds last chance at survival.
Narcissistic much?

What should they say? Hey guys, pump the oceans full, it will come back one day .

Science gains knowledge faster than man gains wisdom.
That's a fact.
And that same land today is back producing. Agriculture learned and developed new practices. I don’t disagree that plastic bottles and pollution doesn’t have an effect but it **** sure isn’t the end all that’s claimed. That’s been proven time and time and time again. You folks take the extreme and try to make it the norm. Bottom line industrial pollution was way worse 50,75, 100 yrs ago.

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Old 06-11-2019, 09:33 PM   #14
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https://www.noaa.gov/media-release/n...gulf-of-mexico

Seems they have spelled it out pretty good.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:41 PM   #15
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I work offshore servicing GOM rigs approx 65 to 80 miles southeast of Port Fourchon, La. No dead zone here. Tuna are running, plenty of Dorado (Mahi Mahi), always see barracuda, blue runners, bait fish jumping all around. I'de say the Gulf is doing just fine. At least where I'm at.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:46 PM   #16
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And that same land today is back producing. Agriculture learned and developed new practices. I donít disagree that plastic bottles and pollution doesnít have an effect but it **** sure isnít the end all thatís claimed. Thatís been proven time and time and time again. You folks take the extreme and try to make it the norm. Bottom line industrial pollution was way worse 50,75, 100 yrs ago.
So what's extreme?
Who's taking the middle ground?
If it's either be extreme or do nothing, I'll choose to be extreme.
Look at all the reports on here, the pictures, time and time again about the nasty beaches of Texas. The trash everywhere.
But who's doing anything?
Just the small groups of people, here and there, the organization that help get people together to clean up, etc..
They are all part of the extreme movement.
Look at the post talking about how nasty Galveston waters have become.
Look at the number of ships that have collided in the port system there over the last 10 yrs. Spilling millions of gallons of who knows what.
The BP incident.
The run off into the rivers, from Americas agriculture land.
It only grows, yr after yr, after yr.
The only people who care, are the extremes, because who else is doing anything.
Do you think it's not all adding up little by little?
Do you think Galveston(the gulf) water at some point will just start getting cleaner and cleaner, as we pump more and more into it?
What do you think it will look like, when your son(?) is your age?
Sure it's been there millions of yrs, and gone through a lot of things, but that was natural. Not man made, synthetic.
There's a different sort of catalyst this time, and people pay it no mind, as if the world is so big, we couldn't possible have any effect on it.
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So what's extreme?
Who's taking the middle ground?
If it's either be extreme or do nothing, I'll choose to be extreme.
Look at all the reports on here, the pictures, time and time again about the nasty beaches of Texas. The trash everywhere.
But who's doing anything?
Just the small groups of people, here and there, the organization that help get people together to clean up, etc..
They are all part of the extreme movement.
Look at the post talking about how nasty Galveston waters have become.
Look at the number of ships that have collided in the port system there over the last 10 yrs. Spilling millions of gallons of who knows what.
The BP incident.
The run off into the rivers, from Americas agriculture land.
It only grows, yr after yr, after yr.
The only people who care, are the extremes, because who else is doing anything.
Do you think it's not all adding up little by little?
Do you think Galveston(the gulf) water at some point will just start getting cleaner and cleaner, as we pump more and more into it?
What do you think it will look like, when your son(?) is your age?
Sure it's been there millions of yrs, and gone through a lot of things, but that was natural. Not man made, synthetic.
There's a different sort of catalyst this time, and people pay it no mind, as if the world is so big, we couldn't possible have any effect on it.
As I said I agree on the pollution debris on Texas beaches. My disagreement is the end all devastating long term effects of the BP oil spills and flooding and agriculture effect. But flooding isn’t one of them. Oil spills isn’t one of them. Chemical fertilizers used today isn’t one of them. **** water isn’t one of them even though I don’t agree with. Plastic trash that are non- biodegrable and the like is one of them.

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Interesting reading at that link.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:50 AM   #19
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Hey Guys (and Gals)! In the last couple days I have seen news feeds about the growing northern Gulf "Dead Zone" primarily off the coast of Louisiana and Texas. But, I also see news feeds about great fishing in the same general area's. Anyone know what the real story is here? Much appreciation on real info. Thanks!
Fake news brother, the only Dead Zone I know of is Washington DC
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I work offshore servicing GOM rigs approx 65 to 80 miles southeast of Port Fourchon, La. No dead zone here. Tuna are running, plenty of Dorado (Mahi Mahi), always see barracuda, blue runners, bait fish jumping all around. I'de say the Gulf is doing just fine. At least where I'm at.
Good to hear! Thanks.
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Fake news brother, the only Dead Zone I know of is Washington DC
Yeah I know all about the one in DC - LOL!
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Didn't mean to start something controversial. Thanks all for the insights and info. Much appreciation.
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Interesting reading at that link.
Yep, the United States gets the blame for just about everything these days, and stuck with 90% of the cleanup, when the VAST majority of the garbage in the oceans come from those filthy cultures along those rivers who don't give a ****.


The left primarily, would have you believe it's ALL our fault.
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:36 AM   #24
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Yep, the United States gets the blame for just about everything these days, and stuck with 90% of the cleanup, when the VAST majority of the garbage in the oceans come from those filthy cultures along those rivers who don't give a ****.


The left primarily, would have you believe it's ALL our fault.



Yep, the Dems, the folks that claim "they are not Dems", and bunny huggers blame it all on the US to get their global cash cows rolling.... and the hippies fall right into the Fake News trap..

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Fake News. They are burning up the trout and reds along the coast of Grand Isle right now. I'm sure the trout aren't as close in to the river around Venice as normal but saying there is a dead zone all the way to Mississippi and Texas is stretching it. I'll be in Grand Isle in 2 weeks and wouldn't be wasting my time going if they weren't catching fish.
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https://www.noaa.gov/media-release/n...gulf-of-mexico

Seems they have spelled it out pretty good.
Yep. It explains that the annual dead zone occurs at the bottom of the ocean, where all the algae that dies and sinks is decaying. Happens every summer. This year will be a big one with all the extra runoff.

Probably won't affect any fishing, other than bottom fishing.
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So why all the squack on the news.... Trust me...I don't trust the news, but I would love to hear some first hand takes.
Typical media trying to scare everyone Same thing with global warming
My question for the Dems on this issue is, if other countrise are not following what they want to do are we going to go to war with them and wipe them off the planet since they will be the ones destroying it
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Fake news brother, the only Dead Zone I know of is Washington DC
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Wasnít dead last week.






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Man I sure am glad to see that the stories are over-hyped (as predicted). Very glad of that!
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So why all the squack on the news.... Trust me...I don't trust the news, but I would love to hear some first hand takes.


Cause there really was no collusion
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Dead Zone? Impeach!!!
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Yep, the United States gets the blame for just about everything these days, and stuck with 90% of the cleanup, when the VAST majority of the garbage in the oceans come from those filthy cultures along those rivers who don't give a ****.


The left primarily, would have you believe it's ALL our fault.
Yep! Need to check out Fukushima, been dumping radioactive water in the Pacific for years, now theres your Dead Zone. Not a peep about that in the news lately.
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The Mississippi drains ~50% of the lower 48 meaning that essentially most of the tributaries between the Rockies and the Appalachians are connected to the Mississippi at some point. When you think of all the landscape that feeds these tributaries it does make sense biologically. The amount of sediment, nitrates/nitrites, ammonia, and who knows what else that enters the system effectively gets concentrated in the Mississippi and thus makes its way to the gulf. Combine this with the increasing water temps due to summer and you get reduced oxygen holding capacity. So my opinion is biologically itís possible but who knows how accurate their predictions are.


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