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Old 10-19-2021, 11:27 AM   #1
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I saw arrow rotation mentioned as a criteria for deciding on left of right helical or offset fletching of arrows on the Around the Campfire thread on Fletching for heavy arrows.

I tested my bows to see what direction the arrows spin with a bare shaft. Two of my bows rotated arrows left and one rotated arrows right.

Since I don't want to maintain 2 sets of arrows, is there a way to get the bow that rotates arrows to the right to rotate arrows to the left? I checked and the bowstrings for all three bows are spun in the same direction.

The bow that spins arrows to the right is an Elite Remedy 33 that I am having trouble tuning. The other 2 are well tuned and have a bullet hole paper tune and field points and broadheads hit in the same spot.

So I would like to hear if others think it might be a tuning issue? If so, I will continue trying to tune the bow before addressing the arrow rotation issue.
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:44 AM   #2
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I don't mean this in a condescending manner but unless your Levi Morgan, your arrow rotation isn't gonna be noticeable. Pick a helical and shoot that. Arrow rotation is almost always a byproduct of serving orientation. If your serving was wrapped from the bottom to top or top to bottom will determine which direction the string imparts upon you nock. A few feet from the bow, any helical fletch will have muscled the arrow into a true spin. The theory about continuing the direction the bow naturally sends the arrow is up for debate. But the fact that only the most advanced archers in the world could notice whatever subtle differences might be gained isnt.

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Old 10-19-2021, 12:28 PM   #3
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I don't mean this in a condescending manner but unless your Levi Morgan, your arrow rotation isn't gonna be noticeable. Pick a helical and shoot that. Arrow rotation is almost always a byproduct of serving orientation. If your serving was wrapped from the bottom to top or top to bottom will determine which direction the string imparts upon you nock. A few feet from the bow, any helical fletch will have muscled the arrow into a true spin. The theory about continuing the direction the bow naturally sends the arrow is up for debate. But the fact that only the most advanced archers in the world could notice whatever subtle differences might be gained isnt.

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So by what you are saying he can reserve it the opposite way and the arrow should spin the other way? I have never heard this. I guess I just assumed they all spin the same way. Man, you learn something new everyday.
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Old 10-19-2021, 01:27 PM   #4
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I saw arrow rotation mentioned as a criteria for deciding on left of right helical or offset fletching of arrows on the Around the Campfire thread on Fletching for heavy arrows.

I tested my bows to see what direction the arrows spin with a bare shaft. Two of my bows rotated arrows left and one rotated arrows right.

Since I don't want to maintain 2 sets of arrows, is there a way to get the bow that rotates arrows to the right to rotate arrows to the left? I checked and the bowstrings for all three bows are spun in the same direction.

The bow that spins arrows to the right is an Elite Remedy 33 that I am having trouble tuning. The other 2 are well tuned and have a bullet hole paper tune and field points and broadheads hit in the same spot.

So I would like to hear if others think it might be a tuning issue? If so, I will continue trying to tune the bow before addressing the arrow rotation issue.
The bow should be tuned with a bare shaft anyway. Once you get your bow shooting that bare shaft nice and straight you won't need to worry about helical
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Old 10-23-2021, 12:17 AM   #5
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Different nocks can spin different directions on same arrow and same bow. On my Nexus deep six nocks spin right, GT HD minis spin left, beiters spin left.
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Old 10-23-2021, 05:55 AM   #6
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Hell I went with 4 inch Super fletch this year. Arrow doesn't even spin! Coolest thing ever, just look like a knuckle ball headed towards the deer. Kind of freaks everyone out the first time they see it. Best part about it... Confuses the deer too. They don't even jump, arrow is silent.
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Old 10-23-2021, 08:50 AM   #7
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Hell I went with 4 inch Super fletch this year. Arrow doesn't even spin! Coolest thing ever, just look like a knuckle ball headed towards the deer. Kind of freaks everyone out the first time they see it. Best part about it... Confuses the deer too. They don't even jump, arrow is silent.
I searched acannot fund anything on Super Fletch, can you post a link?
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Old 10-25-2021, 05:00 AM   #8
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Ball player Ted Williams said he could see which way a baseball pitched was spinning. It's how he knew if it was a breaker or other as it left the pitchers hand. Really??? I can't see squat.

When shooting a bare shaft, how do you know which way it's spinning? Can you actually see it spinning?
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Old 10-25-2021, 04:16 PM   #9
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Ball player Ted Williams said he could see which way a baseball pitched was spinning. It's how he knew if it was a breaker or other as it left the pitchers hand. Really??? I can't see squat.

When shooting a bare shaft, how do you know which way it's spinning? Can you actually see it spinning?
you mark the shaft at 12:00. shoot it into the target at 3 ft. then back up just a few ft. then repeat. You will see which way the arrow is rotating
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Old 12-26-2021, 06:33 PM   #10
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Had some guys at the ranch hunting and they told me about this. Even if you can change the flight of a natural left spin to a right why would you. The less the arrow fights itself the better it should spin and be more accurate in theory. These guys were incredible shots.


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Old 12-26-2021, 06:54 PM   #11
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I had one Granger Ranger tell me he fletches each arrow individually depending on its individual rotation….shot from the same wheel bow. Some left some right. He is an outlier of my inquiries. Most fletch one way or the other not both.

I have changed shaft rotation by changing anchor point and finger release orientation… on a longbow. That may or may not work on a wheel bow.
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Old 12-26-2021, 11:18 PM   #12
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So why wouldn't a release have more influence on bare shaft spin direction than a string serving? I can see why a nock might affect bare shaft spin direction, but string serving? Sounds far fetched.
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Old 12-30-2021, 12:13 PM   #13
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I don't mean this in a condescending manner but unless your Levi Morgan, your arrow rotation isn't gonna be noticeable. Pick a helical and shoot that. Arrow rotation is almost always a byproduct of serving orientation. If your serving was wrapped from the bottom to top or top to bottom will determine which direction the string imparts upon you nock. A few feet from the bow, any helical fletch will have muscled the arrow into a true spin. The theory about continuing the direction the bow naturally sends the arrow is up for debate. But the fact that only the most advanced archers in the world could notice whatever subtle differences might be gained isnt.

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for some reason, this topic has been getting a ton of talk this year. i watched a video where a bunch of pros could not come up with a consensus as to whether it impacted their shooting or not. if pros can't determine it, then the rest of us for sure won't have any measurable benefit.
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Old 01-15-2022, 07:17 PM   #14
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Most single bevels (seems like a lot of people are shooting them these days) are right bevel which will correlate to a right helical.
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Old 01-20-2022, 03:47 PM   #15
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I gave Michael 4 arrows to test with - 2 fletched with right, 2 fletched with left. He was going to do a super slow mo to see what it really looks like. We need to pester him to do the video now that the season is pretty much behind us!
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Old 01-20-2022, 05:07 PM   #16
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In for video. Just redid mine with TacVanes and fletched to the left. I did tighten up my groups with fixed blades.
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Old 01-24-2022, 09:03 PM   #17
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Depending on your string manufacturer and whether its made with a clockwise or counter clockwise twist will determine which way it rotates your arrows in a bare shaft.

After fletching, it depends on which offset/helical you've got. Far as we could tell, its worth about 3fps and I don't know that it matters a whole heck of a lot until you start shooting single bevel broadheads because you wanna match the rotation to the left bevel/right bevel.

If it helps, most strings seem to rotate counter clockwise. Phantom bowstrings, who we used quite a bit at Gateway makes his strings counter clockwise so it rotates them to the right because most shooters are right handed, so the theory is that most people want right helical/offset just out of habit. No real reason for it other than its a trend that started at some point.
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