Would hate to be a resident of Utah

[Graysonhogs]

Originally Posted by M16

I see it as a good move. Game cameras take the hunt out of hunting.

You can use that argument at literally any rung of the hunting "ladder". Seems most people's convictions/opinions stop when it reaches a method they use. That's my $.02 anyway.

[wytex]

Originally Posted by Jon Stewart

They (cameras) take the hunt out of hunting yet it is legal to use bait in Utah. That kind of takes the hunt out of hunting doesn't it?

All cameras do is take pictures.

Baiting is illegal in Utah now, the good folks there got that passed along with the trail cam ban base on the actions of some well known outfitters.

[wytex]

Originally Posted by Jon Stewart

I did and the answer I got when googled it was an older answer. It is legal to bait except for hunting purposes.

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title23/Ch...21050520210505

Only legal to lure game animals away from crops and you must have a permission to do that.

[M16]

Originally Posted by Graysonhogs

You can use that argument at literally any rung of the hunting "ladder". Seems most people's convictions/opinions stop when it reaches a method they use. That's my $.02 anyway.

You are exactly right. I’m just opining where my line is drawn.

[TxBowHntr]

If I read correctly, according to the article, you can still use Plot Watch cameras as they are not triggered by motion or heat. Is this correct?

"A trail camera is defined as a device that is not held or manually operated by a person and is used to capture images, video, or location data of wildlife and uses heat or motion to trigger the device."

[Graysonhogs]

Originally Posted by M16

You are exactly right. I’m just opining where my line is drawn.

Yeah, we all do.

[wytex]

Originally Posted by TxBowHntr

If I read correctly, according to the article, you can still use Plot Watch cameras as they are not triggered by motion or heat. Is this correct?

"A trail camera is defined as a device that is not held or manually operated by a person and is used to capture images, video, or location data of wildlife and uses heat or motion to trigger the device."

It says non hand held cameras here so I think not legal unless it is for monitoring the crops.

R657-5-7. Prohibited Weapons.
(4) Use of specialized hunting technologies and equipment.

(a) A person may not use any night vision device to locate or attempt to locate a big game animal from 48 hours before any big game hunt in the area through 48 hours after any big game hunt ends in the area;

(b)(i) A person shall not place, maintain, or use any trail camera or non-handheld device capable of capturing image, video, location, time, or date data in the field to take, attempt to take, or aid in the take or attempted take of big game between July 31 and December 31;

(ii) Engage in the sale or purchase of trail camera or other non-handheld device media, including images, video, location, time or date data to take, aid in the take or attempted take of big game; or

(iii) Engage in the storage and sale or purchase of stored media, including images, video, location, time, or date data to take, aid in the take or attempted take of big game.

(c) The prohibition on the use of trail cameras does not apply to:

(i) private landowners monitoring or protecting their property from trespass;

(ii) monitoring active agricultural operations;

(iii) to aid in the take of bear and cougar depredating livestock; and

(iv) municipalities participating in the Urban Deer Program.

(d) trail cameras and other non-handheld devices described in Subsection 5-7(4)(b)(i) on private property cannot be used to take, attempt to take, or aid in the take or attempted take of big game between July 31 and December 31.

[Gclyde28]

Originally Posted by flywise

I don’t guess I have a problem with cellular cams on public land. Regular cams on public, well honestly don’t care but private lands not leased to the gov. No way they should be able to do that

The state of Texas tells you that you can't kill a deer from February-August. How dare they overstep your right to kill the food you want to eat.

[Gclyde28]

I don't understand everyone's gripe about the difference between public and private in this instance. The animals might venture from one to the other multiple times a day. Why should the private land be given the advantage.

Should private land have more generous seasons (how about all year long) vs public land hunting seasons?

If you wanted to argue about high fence private places like we have all over the place here in Texas, sure have at it, but low fence private is the same as public in my eyes with regards to regulations.

[TexasTrophyBowhunter]

Why are we even arguing about another state? We live in Texas, sure some of y’all hunt it and that’s fine. Let’s move on already


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[flywise]

Originally Posted by gclyde28

the state of texas tells you that you can't kill a deer from february-august. How dare they overstep your right to kill the food you want to eat.

smh

[wytex]

Originally Posted by TexasTrophyBowhunter

Why are we even arguing about another state? We live in Texas, sure some of y’all hunt it and that’s fine. Let’s move on already


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I find these threads interesting, hence I comment, but I agree.
The residents of Utah pushed for this, seems they don't agree with some of you all. If you don't like their laws don't go hunt there. Their game and they get to make the rules.

Sounds like your seasons are looking up after recent rains.
We finally had a break in our extreme heat and got a little moisture too.
Forest Service did just put fire restrictions on our forest here in S. Wyoming. No campfires now unless in permanent fire rings, ugh...

Looking forward to seeing some nice bucks posted from down there.

[jt400]

In the end, the DWR says their surveys showed most of the public opposed the use of cellular trail cameras that transmit real-time images and footage. However, the board decided they would ban both transmitting and non-transmitting types of cameras used "in the harvest or to aid in the harvest of big game between July 31 and Dec. 31.) This ban applies to both public and private land.

This thread is seriously disappointing me. We're Texans. We're not supposed to support government overreach. Read above. This isn't what the people wanted. They got duped. Wake up.

[jt400]

Originally Posted by Craw3773

Try reading the constitution again..... I mean for the first time. Then explain what section utilizing a camera to assist in the taking of a natural resource would fall under.

Secondly, please explain how a properly elected government does not have the right to regulate a government owned resource.

This entire discussion to me is hilarious. I don't care about tree cams, hell I just checked one, because I like watching the deer when I can't hunt. That being said, this is a state purview, and the state decided they wanted to lower the efficacy of hunters.

That is 1 of 2 ways to limit harvest, and preserve resources. The other is to issue less tags. While some would argue that the state just wants more money, maybe they are trying to give more opportunity.

They don't care about how many animals are harvested. BUT if they can hurt the success ratio they sell twice as many tags to achieve the same harvest. Its absolutely all about the money. Which side are you gonna be on when it sets off?

[wytex]

Originally Posted by jt400

In the end, the DWR says their surveys showed most of the public opposed the use of cellular trail cameras that transmit real-time images and footage. However, the board decided they would ban both transmitting and non-transmitting types of cameras used "in the harvest or to aid in the harvest of big game between July 31 and Dec. 31.) This ban applies to both public and private land.

This thread is seriously disappointing me. We're Texans. We're not supposed to support government overreach. Read above. This isn't what the people wanted. They got duped. Wake up.

I don't know man, all the residents comments I've seen are in favor and on Monster Muleys they seem to be all in favor.
I'm not sure we don't need some state gov. when it comes to wildlife and hunting. I sure don't want the feds telling me how to hunt in my home state.
And we needs laws to protect populations from over hunting.

[Dale Moser]

I've seen the photos of 30-40 trail cams next to a public water hole, and that's pretty disgusting.


To tell people they can't use them on private land is absurd.

[jt400]

Originally Posted by wytex

I don't know man, all the residents comments I've seen are in favor and on Monster Muleys they seem to be all in favor.
I'm not sure we don't need some state gov. when it comes to wildlife and hunting. I sure don't want the feds telling me how to hunt in my home state.
And we needs laws to protect populations from over hunting.

We already have those laws. If they were going to outlaw cell cams on public that would have been one thing but to outlaw their use across the board is a seriously disturbing thing to me. Its insane.

I have an opinion that x-bow hunting should not be considered the same as a vertical bow with the recent advancements. That being said I would in no way support the government coming in and outlawing them across the board. Make it to where you can't use it during archery only? Maybe, but not outlaw them completely. Would really prefer they leave it alone.

[jfk47]

Originally Posted by TexasTrophyBowhunter

On another note im going to start looking into the Utah classified sections for some good deals on game cameras lol


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I'll bet there will be a few lease openings show up also !!

[denimdeerslayer]

I dont use trail cameras. I just ride around and talk to my deer a few times a day and feed them off the ranger lol

[critter69]

Originally Posted by M16

Do feeders tell you what’s coming in and what time? Do feeders send you cell phone pictures?


But I agree with the ones saying banning cameras on private property is bs.

You know what time they are set to go off, so time is somewhat known. Not eveey animal will show up at the exact time every time either. Alot use feeder lights and know when the animals are at the feeder also. Isee the reason not to use them, I don't here anyways. But I don't rifle hunt either, as that is pretty much putting the odds in your favor in a huge way. But to each there own. I don't give to sheets if they out law them really.

[tvc184]

Originally Posted by Craw3773

Please elaborate. How would this be unconstitutional?

Also, if it's "the publics" land, wouldn't that be the exact place where representatives chosen by the public would have a responsibility to do what they see best for the public?

I think you are correct. This is a Tenth Amendment or state rights issue.

I don’t agree with it but unconstitutional? Under what amendment?

It could certainly be under a stste constitution.

[Jon Stewart]

Originally Posted by M16

I see it as a good move. Game cameras take the hunt out of hunting.

And baiting doesn't take the hunt out of hunting.

I suppose some are upset that you send a text on your phone to a buddy that a big one is coming his way.

I don't get the argument about having a trail cam out. I use them on my property all the time.

[SmTx]

Originally Posted by Jon Stewart

And baiting doesn't take the hunt out of hunting.

I suppose some are upset that you send a text on your phone to a buddy that a big one is coming his way.

I don't get the argument about having a trail cam out. I use them on my property all the time.

That exact scenario played out on another forum a few years ago after a TBH'r shot a nice elk.

[SamHarper]

I'm sure Big Foot will appreciate that.

[Longue Carabine]

Originally Posted by trophy8

False. I’ll use the NRA as an example. Lining their pockets and they care less and less about their original purpose. Politics and money. THAT is why we are losing

It is not false. And your attitude is a dangerous one. As someone who has been involved with the legal side of hunting and firearms, I can tell you that unfortunately most of you have no idea how much you are being out-campaigned, out-organized, and out-spent. I hate to say it but this community is being absolutely destroyed and all the dominoes have been lined up for things to get much worse. This is not the same situation as things were 30 years ago, 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago. This a is a make or break period in history and unfortunately we are currently outgunned by a large margin. And don't think that voting is going to rectify these issues. That isn't how things get done anymore.

[skelsey]

Only illegal if you get caught “ catch me if you can “

[M16]

Originally Posted by skelsey

Only illegal if you get caught “ catch me if you can “

They’ll put up a game camera to catch whose putting up game camera’s.

[marceco]

I use Cellular Game Cameras and strategically place them to serve as Security Cameras also on my property . I can't imagine ever being ok with the government telling me I couldn't . . .

[wytex]

If any of you read the regs you would see cams for security purposes are legal and to protect your crops.

For those saying only illegal if caught good luck, is it worth it to lose your hunting rights in 48 states over a trail cam? GWs won't be the only folks watching.