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Old 10-10-2019, 03:11 PM   #1
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At this risk of crossing the fine line between sporting and cheating... Has anyone tried using a Drone with a thermal camera to locate where deer are bedding down overnight? I've seen a couple of live demos of drones with thermal cameras flying over fields/woods after dark and it definitely picks up any warm body. I'm sure with a bit of training you could tell a deer from a hog or cow.

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Old 10-10-2019, 03:14 PM   #2
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1st sentence answered your question imo...no for me
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:14 PM   #3
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https://tpwd.texas.gov/warden/law-en...aq/drones-uavs
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:19 PM   #4
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For the clicking impaired-


"Except with permits issued by Texas Parks & Wildlife Department, the use of drones to hunt, drive, capture, take, count or photograph any wildlife is unlawful. This includes locating wounded animals as well."
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:20 PM   #5
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Interesting, it never occurred to me that it might actually be illegal to take pictures of wildlife with a drone. I wonder if it's ever been enforced?
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:21 PM   #6
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Interesting, it never occurred to me that it might actually be illegal to take pictures of wildlife with a drone. I wonder if it's ever been enforced?
I wouldn't want to test it.

Drone offenses have a really pesky way of becoming federal offenses.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:21 PM   #7
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Looks like TPWD pretty much covered the drone question. Guess you could fly a kite with a Thermal camera on it. Always more than one way to skin a cat, but I'm sure they would get you for that also.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:22 PM   #8
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Looks like TPWD pretty much covered the drone question. Guess you could fly a kite with a Thermal camera on it. Always more than one way to skin a cat, but I'm sure they would get you for that also.
Or we could actually just hunt...
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:25 PM   #9
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Interesting, it never occurred to me that it might actually be illegal to take pictures of wildlife with a drone. I wonder if it's ever been enforced?
I just read this and thought the exact same thing. That seems like a slight over-reach made in attempt to make the law very thorough. I guess they don't want anyone trying to make specific excuses and trying to exploit a loophole.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:26 PM   #10
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any wildlife is unlawful
Any wildlife? Youtube has tons of videos of people doing this with pigs?
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:27 PM   #11
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I just read this and thought the exact same thing. That seems like a slight over-reach made in attempt to make the law very thorough. I guess they don't want anyone trying to make specific excuses and trying to exploit a loophole.
Yup, and if you can get close enough with a drone camera to take a pic that's worth a crap then you are definitely harassing wildlife so I'm all for it until they make 600mm zoom lenses for drones.

"No officer I was just out photographing wildlife...in full camo...with a rifle"
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:28 PM   #12
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Or we could actually just hunt...
Not to start a holy war, but "just hunt" is very subjective. Some folks don't think that "hunting" high fenced areas is really hunting, some think that "hunting" over a feeder isn't really hunting, and others think that using game cams is cheating. Using a drone is definitely not something I plan on doing, but others may feel differently.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:28 PM   #13
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Any wildlife? Youtube has tons of videos of people doing this with pigs?
Pigs aren't "wildlife" in Texas, they are classified as invasive. Neither are exotics.

But even then looks like it's still illegal without the proper permits

"A person (which includes a pilot, applicant, gunner, observer, or Subagent) commits an offense if:..the person counts, photographs, relocates, captures, hunts, or takes or attempts to count, photograph, relocate, capture, hunt, or take from an aircraft any wildlife or exotic animals other than wildlife or exotic animals authorized by the AMP and LOA "

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Old 10-10-2019, 03:32 PM   #14
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so you can count deer out of a helicopter, but you can't count them with a drone? These are the times I'm glad we have government to guide us...
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:33 PM   #15
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It should be legal to recover animals. I realize people would try to exploit this as a loophole, but, in the presence of evidence of having hit an animal (hair, blood, etc.) it should be legal.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:35 PM   #16
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so you can count deer out of a helicopter, but you can't count them with a drone? These are the times I'm glad we have government to guide us...
Not without the permits according to the way the law is worded.


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It should be legal to recover animals. I realize people would try to exploit this as a loophole, but, in the presence of evidence of having hit an animal (hair, blood, etc.) it should be legal.
I agree with this 100%, I don't think there should be any limits to tech for recovering animals that have been shot, that's way different than locating them to shoot.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:36 PM   #17
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There's the full legalese

https://texreg.sos.state.tx.us/public/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tl oc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=31&pt=2&ch=65&rl=152
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:38 PM   #18
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I am not trying to make a case for doing this, just saying that I have seen videos of people doing it. Feral pigs werent a great example, so how about fish?
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:43 PM   #19
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Not to start a holy war, but "just hunt" is very subjective. Some folks don't think that "hunting" high fenced areas is really hunting, some think that "hunting" over a feeder isn't really hunting, and others think that using game cams is cheating. Using a drone is definitely not something I plan on doing, but others may feel differently.
pretty sure most people here knows what he means.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:43 PM   #20
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I am not trying to make a case for doing this, just saying that I have seen videos of people doing it. Feral pigs werent a great example, so how about fish?
Lots of folks smoke pot on the ol youtubes... still illegal. lol

Fish are wildlife too.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:04 PM   #21
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I’m not a self bow with flint broad heads guy but somewhere in there it ceases to be hunting.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:07 PM   #22
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Lots of folks smoke pot on the ol youtubes... still illegal. lol

Fish are wildlife too.
What about "invasive" fish species?
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:11 PM   #23
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What about "invasive" fish species?
Your guess is as good as mine... not sure if they would fall under "exotic wildlife" but I wouldn't want to have to explain to the warden either way.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:21 PM   #24
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The guys filming all these outdoors shows in Texas are in a heap of trouble!
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:23 PM   #25
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The guys filming all these outdoors shows in Texas are in a heap of trouble!
They likely have all the relevant permits. According to Randy Newberg the various filming permits are a pretty large expense for filming a TV show.

....or they are breaking the law and just haven't gotten busted. lol
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:24 PM   #26
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The guys filming all these outdoors shows in Texas are in a heap of trouble!
maybe they have the required permits.
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Haven't we already had 10 or 15 of these threads?

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Old 10-10-2019, 04:34 PM   #28
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"Except with permits issued by Texas Parks & Wildlife Department, the use of drones to hunt, drive, capture, take, count or photograph any wildlife is unlawful. This includes locating wounded animals as well."
Who would have thought using technology to count animals would be illegal. Crazy time to be alive.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:36 PM   #29
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Flying a drone at night is illegal. That's FAA rules.
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Flying a drone at night is illegal. That's FAA rules.
You can get a waiver: https://www.faa.gov/uas/commercial_o...t_107_waivers/
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:52 PM   #31
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Who would have thought using technology to count animals would be illegal. Crazy time to be alive.
The main goal is to prevent Bubba from lying his azz off and saying "Naw I was just takin' pikchers I wudd'nt gone shoot em!!!" so they have to cover all their bases.

I don't know how tough it is to get the permits but it must be doable.

Native wildlife doesn't belong to the landowner so the state gets to dictate the rules.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:12 PM   #32
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Someone should make something that throws food out at a certain time to help us hunt the game we are after. We could make millions!

Just messing with you. TPWD has is covered.
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Or we could actually just hunt...
I do. Barefoot, dressed in a loincloth, with my longbow in hand holding my skinning knife in my teeth.

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Old 10-10-2019, 05:59 PM   #34
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I do, barefoot dressed in a lioncloth with my longbow in hand holding my skinning knife in my teeth.
Longbows are too high tech... atlatl or nothing
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Crazy time to be alive.
Nah... it's actually pretty mundane.

Bay of Pigs, WW II, the Civil War-- those were crazy times.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:25 PM   #36
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My wife hunts with a Atlatl. My loincloth is made from a moose scrotum that I harvested from a bull while he was mating.
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I wouldn't want to test it.

Drone offenses have a really pesky way of becoming federal offenses.
Drones are aircraft which the FAA oversees, thus making them federal offenses.
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Drones are aircraft which the FAA oversees, thus making them federal offenses.


Absolutely. It also means that itís a federal crime to shoot one out of the air even if itís invading your privacy (assuming the pilot isnít violating any FAA regulations)


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Old 10-10-2019, 09:03 PM   #39
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Looks like TPWD pretty much covered the drone question. Guess you could fly a kite with a Thermal camera on it. Always more than one way to skin a cat, but I'm sure they would get you for that also.


Iím thinking weather balloon on a string.


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Pics or it didnít happen
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Sorry, I didn't have any pockets on my loincloth to hold my phone.

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My wife hunts with a Atlatl. My loincloth is made from a moose scrotum that I harvested from a bull while he was mating.
Only counts as trad if you got it while he was finishing.
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What about flying one around in the early spring and scouting out where some oak trees might be located on public hunting land?

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Depends, some federal lands dont allow drone flight at all, not sure about state. Id check the regs, if it's legal to fly then you should be alright.
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so you can count deer out of a helicopter, but you can't count them with a drone? These are the times I'm glad we have government to guide us...
E X A C T L Y my first thought upon reading the statute. I've been fortunate to hunt some awfully nice ranches and they ALL, without exception, conducted wildlife/deer surveys from the air.

I wonder if the permit is issued to the helicopter operator or the landowner or both? I also wonder what are the exact qualifications of an applicant to be issued a permit??

Also, if a landowner isn't hunting in any way, shape, or form it's certainly a governmental invasion of landowner rights to tell them they can't survey their legally owned property via the air.... IMOP.

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E X A C T L Y my first thought upon reading the statute. I've been fortunate to hunt some awfully nice ranches and they ALL, without exception, conducted wildlife/deer surveys from the air.

I wonder if the permit is issued to the helicopter operator or the landowner or both? I also wonder the exact qualifications of an applicant to be issued a permit??

Also, if a landowner isn't hunting in any way, shape, or form it's certainly a governmental invasion of landowner rights to tell them they can't survey their legally owned property via the air.... IMOP.
The landowner doesnt own the wildlife other than exotics.
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The landowner doesnt own the wildlife other than exotics.
No, I understand that....

I'm referring to a landowner simply flying their property and filming it via a drone. I own 30 acres, do I have to ask the government to fly over it and film via a drone just because wildlife resides upon my land?? If so, then that's another example of government overreach IMOP.

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No, I understand that....

I'm referring to a landowner simply flying their property and filming it via a drone. I own 30 acres, do I have to ask the government to fly out it and film via a drone just because wildlife resides upon my land?? If so, then that's another example of government overreact IMOP.
That seems to be a-ok. Intent matters, now if you were buzzing deer out of their beds that would be a whole other thing.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:33 PM   #49
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That seems to be a-ok. Intent matters, now if you were buzzing deer out of their beds that would be a whole other thing.
Sure hope so... If not then I guess I'm a criminal 😉
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Old 10-11-2019, 08:32 AM   #50
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Entrapment . Illegal in most states. I participated in the last Wildlife committee meeting and they reviewed several cases of illegally used drones and the related punishment/fines.
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