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Old 10-01-2019, 10:50 AM   #101
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Not true. Shooting someone in the leg or away from vital organs is a way to neutralize without it being fatal. A head shot would be hard to council against but a chest shot would be a better option. My only point was the terminology. If in your mind you have determined to kill someone even in self defense you have to be careful on how to state that in court. The prosecution would spin it that you did not retreat and do everything possible to avoid a fatal shooting. You are not judge, jury and executioner just because someone is in your house committing a crime. Shooting someone is a felony without amnesty and that is why she is on trial to determine the amnesty did she have cause to shoot and kill a man in his own apartment even though she thought she was in her own. I think in her mind she was not trying to commit murder.
We ABSOLUTELY are. That is why the CASTLE DOCTRINE is in place. I dont have to retreat. IT IS MY HOUSE. Are you saying that an intruder, IN MY CASTLE, has more rights than me and my family, IN MY OWN HOUSE? Goodness gracious. If my family is put in harm's way, by someone that I do not know and that I do not know his/her intentions, then I will make that call. What if I shoot to wound and that person recovers and wants revenge? He/She now knows where I live and comes back another time when I am not at home and it is just the wife and kids. Should my wife shoot to wound him again? Just WOW man!

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Old 10-01-2019, 10:53 AM   #102
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She needs to go to jail. If she wasn’t a cop, I doubt it would even be in the news.

I walk into your house and shoot you dead, I’m going to jail, no if ands or buts..and certainly no people arguing/hoping that I walk, like in this case. That’s the part of the “thin blue line” that make a lot of people like me sick.
Somebody is very butt hurt....

Manslaughter or hung jury I would imagine. Sad deal all the way around.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:57 AM   #103
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i haven't followed to close but from reading the thread i would say barely not guilty on murder. I know that is like being pregnant as you either are or you're not but i think it is really close since she didn't render aid (cpr, call 911, etc.). I say definitely guilty of manslaughter and because of barely being not guilty of murder i would give her the max penalty of manslaughter.

It may not be relevant to some but i have a couple of questions i truly don't know the answer to that i think are similar, especially for the not guilty folks:

If i live in a subdivision and fire a round straight up in the air, say to celebrate 4th of july, and it hits and kills a kid on the way down innocently watching fireworks would i be charged with anything? If so, this should be the absolute minimum she is found guilty of as i would have a lot more compassion for the person in this situation than her. I don't necessarily think there was intent but someone is dead...so if you say she is not guilty, would you not charge me in this situation?

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if i'm driving home from work late at night and get in a wreck that is my fault and i kill someone, what would i be charged with? I didn't have intent but someone is dead...so if you say she is not guilty would you not charge me in this situation? Again, this should be the absolute minimum she is charged with.

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if i go out and have 3 beers (not drunk but as the commercials say buzzed driving is drunk driving) and then get in a wreck and kill someone what would i be charged with? I didn't mean to kill anyone. I made a mistake that could have and should have been avoided but i could argue 3 beers didn't affect me enough to kill someone. But someone is dead...if you say she isn't guilty would you not charge me in this situation? This is the verdict and punishment i think would be most appropriate as the 2 equate in my mind as far as it being accidental but 100% avoidable.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:03 AM   #104
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Yep .. I stayed for 2 hours and when they finally showed up they were more worried about why I had a gun than finding the bad guy.. the store clerk told the same story I did but in the end I felt like I was being accused of doing wrong.. But there are a lot of people that think ordinary citizens shouldn't carry a fire arm .. can't judge everyone by the actions of a few..
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:05 AM   #105
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There's a scripture verse that says something along the lines of: "all things are permissible, not all things are advisable". I certainly don't know all the ins and outs of "Castle Doctrine", murder, manslaughter, etc. But, i think that when you / we decide to pull a trigger and take a life, the game changes. IF someone invades my house, i'm going to defend. If i, mistakenly or not, invade someone else's house, i might expect to be shot. It may have been permissible for her to behave the way she did. I was not advisable.

In my opinion, there are sometimes when we just have to be "right". Mistakes can't be made. We can make a mistake of walking into the wrong apartment. We can't make the "mistake" of killing the occupant of the apartment we accidentally wander into. And especially, an armed police officer, off duty or not, can't make that mistake.

I've said it on the other thread, and it's still the best thing i can come up with: I don't know what "justice" looks like in this case. But i think that when the verdict is rendered not many people are going to feel like justice will have been served. I'm still glad i'm not a family member on either side of the equation, and i'm still glad i'm not on that jury.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:11 AM   #106
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No matter what the outcome is, there will be people not satisfied. Even if they do convict her of murder, I think she will get the least amount or close to that of time to serve.

If I worked anywhere near that area today I would take the day off. There are going to be protests that will block the streets and from then who knows what foolishness will be seen.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:13 AM   #107
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Sorry but I don't even know how it would be possible for a sober person to do that..


No need to apologize, I don’t see how a sober person could dream up all of your conspiracy theories.




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Old 10-01-2019, 11:14 AM   #108
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........If you break into a house you dont deserve to die and its not the homeowners position to take your life just for that. However, if you threaten the family or property of an owner while trying to stop you there could be a fatal action involuntarily taken in route to stop you.
Soooo, I wake up in the middle of the night and there's a burglar in the house. I've got to determine his intent before I mag-dump him? Is that what you meant to type?
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:15 AM   #109
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Soooo, I wake up in the middle of the night and there's a burglar in the house. I've got to determine his intent before I mag-dump him? Is that what you meant to type?
you should ask politely if he intends to harm you
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:18 AM   #110
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She needs to go to jail. If she wasn’t a cop, I doubt it would even be in the news.

I walk into your house and shoot you dead, I’m going to jail, no if ands or buts..and certainly no people arguing/hoping that I walk, like in this case. That’s the part of the “thin blue line” that make a lot of people like me sick.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:19 AM   #111
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A crack head tried to rob a man with a knife is different than you being a women who can’t see what he had..
Why does this even matter?

It was his apartment, where he had the right to defend it with deadly force. Except he was shot and killed before he could.


If she gets off this case will be used by all kinds of defense attorneys defending home invaders.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:21 AM   #112
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Why does this even matter?

It was his apartment, where he had the right to defend it with deadly force. Except he was shot and killed before he could.


If she gets off this case will be used by all kinds of defense attorneys defending home invaders.
I don't think I have ever agreed with so many people on here before!
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:38 AM   #113
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If she gets off this case will be used by all kinds of defense attorneys defending home invaders.
Exactly. All the den do's as in "my little baby den do nothing" will now point at this case as to why their "baby" shouldn't have been shot despite robbing/stealing, assaulting, etc the shooter in the shooters home.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:45 AM   #114
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I think its going to be close and do think that since Castle doctrine is on the table she has a chance at least for Manslaughter instead of murder. My issue is she stated she was shooting to kill. As a cop and/or gun owner that should never be your answer because either party does not deserve to die. If you break into a house you dont deserve to die and its not the homeowners position to take your life just for that. However, if you threaten the family or property of an owner while trying to stop you there could be a fatal action involuntarily taken in route to stop you. She just flat out stated she was shooting to kill. If I were on the jury that would be hard to deal with. Her council are idiots for letting her make that statement.
I 100% disagree, how are you suppose to determine if they are threatening? I will tell you how, they are in my house thus they will be dealt with accordingly. My family is not worth getting consent that they are a friendly robber...
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:46 AM   #115
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She's been found guilty of murder.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:47 AM   #116
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She's been found guilty of murder.
There you go!
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:49 AM   #117
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Sure seems like the correct verdict to me. Now to see how the judge sentences her.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:50 AM   #118
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guilty of murder!!!
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:52 AM   #119
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I’m stunned honestly. I did not expect that.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:53 AM   #120
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:54 AM   #121
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I’m stunned honestly. I did not expect that.
Me neither!
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:54 AM   #122
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Dont disagree but shocked all the same.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:55 AM   #123
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Seems like the definition of culpable needs to be reviewed.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:56 AM   #124
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Dont disagree but shocked all the same.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:56 AM   #125
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I’m very surprised.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:57 AM   #126
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I honestly do not see how it is murder, everything I have seen seems to indicate a TERRIBLE mistake. If it was a mistake I would think manslaughter... Terrible situation all around.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:59 AM   #127
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I honestly do not see how it is murder, everything I have seen seems to indicate a TERRIBLE mistake. If it was a mistake I would think manslaughter... Terrible situation all around.
This!
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:59 AM   #128
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I honestly do not see how it is murder, everything I have seen seems to indicate a TERRIBLE mistake. If it was a mistake I would think manslaughter... Terrible situation all around.
I think not providing any aid to him is probably what pushed the jury over the edge.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:59 AM   #129
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I'm surprised she got murder, but no one is even disputing she intentionally killed an innocent man, so I guess it's not that shocking. They questioned her while presenting the forensics of where her shots hit (basically right in his heart) and asked her if she made those shots with the intention of killing him and she flat said, "yes". So I can see where the jury could weigh her admitted intent of killing heavier than her obvious mistake of location.

Really thought they'd give her manslaughter, but hopefully this can give his family some shred of peace.
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I think not providing any aid to him is probably what pushed the jury over the edge.
a headscratcher for sure
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:04 PM   #131
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I think not providing any aid to him is probably what pushed the jury over the edge.
Just saw where it said she didn't help render aid...
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:05 PM   #132
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Somebody is very butt hurt....

Manslaughter or hung jury I would imagine. Sad deal all the way around.
That would be me
She wasn't acting as LE
She was sexting and about to go do adult things
If she was Bob that works at Walmart this wouldn't even be news
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:05 PM   #133
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so someone else posted this yesterday.

"Listened to a defense attorney's analysis. He said that since Guyger testified that her intention was to kill Jean, manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide come off the table and the judge may not allow the jury to consider it.
Murder or self defense."

the judged ended up allowing a manslaughter verdict anyway, so the whole strategy seems to have backfired on them.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:06 PM   #134
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Wow. Didn’t see that verdict coming.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:07 PM   #135
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I honestly do not see how it is murder, everything I have seen seems to indicate a TERRIBLE mistake. If it was a mistake I would think manslaughter... Terrible situation all around.
If I down a fifth of Jack and run your kids over while they play at the park is that murder or is that manslaughter get out in five years?
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:07 PM   #136
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If I down a fifth of Jack and run your kids over while they play at the park is that murder or is that manslaughter get out in five years?
Appreciate you using my kids, the bottom line is that it was unintentional, thus manslaughter. The key is intent, once again thanks for using my kids for your analogy. Kinda sorry on your part.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:11 PM   #138
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Found Guilty....
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:13 PM   #139
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Appreciate you using my kids, the bottom line is that it was unintentional, thus manslaughter. The key is intent, once again thanks for using my kids for your analogy. Kinda sorry on your part.
Ok. Take your kids out and use Willy Wonkas kids
I didn't even know you had kids
I was just making a hypothetical

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Old 10-01-2019, 12:19 PM   #140
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If I down a fifth of Jack and run your kids over while they play at the park is that murder or is that manslaughter get out in five years?
When you kill Willie's kids after drinking that is manslaughter.
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Wow, didn't see that coming... all around just a chitty situation
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Dangit now we can't riot
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:21 PM   #143
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3. she did not try to retreat
As a LEO, she had no duty to retreat. This is where I see the lines blurred between her training and being off-duty.

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....and Dallas isn't going to burn tonight.

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When you kill Willie's kids after drinking that is manslaughter.
vehicular manslaughter under the influence
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:24 PM   #146
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Exactly.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:26 PM   #147
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:29 PM   #148
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That there was please dont burn down our city verdict.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:29 PM   #149
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Whoa, I didnt see that coming either. Manslaughter, yes, murder, nope.

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Old 10-01-2019, 12:30 PM   #150
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When’s the sentencing?
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