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Old 05-07-2019, 11:37 AM   #1
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My wife s all stressed out (again). Parents of one kid keep saying their son has dyslexia. He does not according to my wife who's been teaching 8 years and been through this countless times.

So the parents hire a reading coach who the child sees once per week for 30 minutes..The "coach" basically watches the child read and helps when needed. My wife teaches this kid every day, all day long. So now the parents are saying "See the reading coach works! That proves he has dyslexia.. My wife says...Well maybe he reads better now because I teach him every single day! LOL

All faculty at the school knows the child is normal. Parents demanded yet another meeting today at school. Of course no one at the school can just tell the parents they are flat out wrong.

Long story is I will get an earful tonight when the wife gets home.

I don't understand why some parents insist their kids have something..or anything. Seems we went from parents wanting their kids to be normal at all costs to the exact opposite. Label them in the past and you'd be yelled/screamed at. Refuse to label them now and get yelled at. I think people have gone mad.
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Old 05-07-2019, 11:42 AM   #2
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Semi related to your rant...and still true 9 years later.
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Why don't they have the kid tested by whatever expert tests for dyslexia? Then everyone involved would know for sure whether he does or doesn't have it, and they won't have to argue with each other about it.
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Semi related to your rant...and still true 9 years later.
So true . . Tell your wife to stay the course . . Sad to say that the parents will realize their mistake too late . . Labeling comments are dead on . . How many days left this year? . . I bet she's got it down to the seconds . . Have a good summer . .
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Why don't they have the kid tested by whatever expert tests for dyslexia? Then everyone involved would know for sure whether he does or doesn't have it, and they won't have to argue with each other about it.
This. If he has learning disabilities, he should have an ARD. If he is not currently under special ed, your wife can request he be tested for dyslexia. It will save her a lot of headaches with the parents, and if he does have dyslexia, it will help him out as well.
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This. If he has learning disabilities, he should have an ARD. If he is not currently under special ed, your wife can request he be tested for dyslexia. It will save her a lot of headaches with the parents, and if he does have dyslexia, it will help him out as well.
At no cost to the parents . .
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Your wife and nobody at the school “knows” what the kid has. My oldest has autism. For a few years we were told everything from ADHD to Oppositional Disorder. He spent two weeks at evaluation in Dallas. Everyone was surprised including Mom and Dad. Had a new educational plan and some accommodations such as being able to put himself in an quiet enviornment when needed. Went from what everyone that was struggling and claiming he had a certain learning or behavioral condition and barely getting by in school to an average student in general education

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Parents like that will be making excuses for & supporting their children into adulthood.
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The parents certainly are not experts. Then again, neither is the average teacher. So get an expert to diagnose the kid. you need a 3rd party opinion. this will take the emotion out of the situation.
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Why don't they have the kid tested by whatever expert tests for dyslexia? Then everyone involved would know for sure whether he does or doesn't have it, and they won't have to argue with each other about it.
They had the school specialist test this child. She said the same thing. The kid is normal. But parents insist on more meetings and that they are right.

Trust me I've been round and round with the wife on this one. It's absurd how PC the schools have become. They have to walk on egg shells non stop. It's plain stupid.

The school does make parents send to doctors for anything related to health ADHD and all that junk. Teachers are not allowed to diagnose at all.. But reading disabilities are different.
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Long story is I will get an earful tonight when the wife gets home.
My neighbor is a real life Hank Hill. Guy is always in his yard or garage working on some type of project. I asked him one day how he keeps finding things to do outside. He said; "My wife is a teacher. If I'm in the house all I do is listen to her rant about what's wrong at the school. Outside is the only time I get peace and quiet."
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Your wife and nobody at the school “knows” what the kid has. My oldest has autism. For a few years we were told everything from ADHD to Oppositional Disorder. He spent two weeks at evaluation in Dallas. Everyone was surprised including Mom and Dad. Had a new educational plan and some accommodations such as being able to put himself in an quiet enviornment when needed. Went from what everyone that was struggling and claiming he had a certain learning or behavioral condition and barely getting by in school to an average student in general education

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True but this kid is normal (hence the rant). He's doing just fine. He appears to have nothing. But you're right. My wife can't know he has nothing.

Maybe I'll get her to post on this thread when she gets home. I'm sure I have something wrong in this thread she can yell at me about
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Old 05-07-2019, 01:21 PM   #13
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Your wife and nobody at the school “knows” what the kid has. My oldest has autism. For a few years we were told everything from ADHD to Oppositional Disorder. He spent two weeks at evaluation in Dallas. Everyone was surprised including Mom and Dad. Had a new educational plan and some accommodations such as being able to put himself in an quiet enviornment when needed. Went from what everyone that was struggling and claiming he had a certain learning or behavioral condition and barely getting by in school to an average student in general education

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Sorta same thing with my wife’s nephew. His parents were adamant that he was perfectly normal but sadly, you can just watch him for a minute and know he has something going on. My wife and her other sister kept telling them that they needed to get him tested and finally at age 10 when he is failing everything, they get him tested. Supposedly has dislexsyia, ADHD and slight case of autism. And is doing better now that he is in a program to help his needs.

I said well no wonder he is doing bad, poor guy. He sees everything backwards but can’t sit still and focus long enough to realize everything is backwards!
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Sorry, but I have no sympathy. My daughter had dyslexia, and we tried to get her tested through the ISD. The guidance counselor at the elementary school blocked it at every turn.

We finally got her tested on our own dime. Guidance counselor changed her tune but she had to deal with me for many years after and hated to see me coming. Finally the old, senile bitty retired. She should have done it a long time before.
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There's only a few weeks of school left.

Blow off the drama & tell her to give a heads up to the kids teachers next year.
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They had the school specialist test this child. She said the same thing. The kid is normal. But parents insist on more meetings and that they are right.

Trust me I've been round and round with the wife on this one. It's absurd how PC the schools have become. They have to walk on egg shells non stop. It's plain stupid.

The school does make parents send to doctors for anything related to health ADHD and all that junk. Teachers are not allowed to diagnose at all.. But reading disabilities are different.
What does PC have to do with anything? Have you had a child with dyslexia or ADHD? I have had two. One is a junior in college and the other is graduating High School this year. It hasn't been easy for them, or us, but I'm proud of them.

When I see someone posting this kind of garbage it ticks me off. If your wife gets annoyed at it, maybe she ought to do something else.
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How does one go from seeing all the words backwards.....to seeing them normally eventually?
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How does one go from seeing all the words backwards.....to seeing them normally eventually?
They don't. They learn skills to cope. Accommodations are available if a diagnosis exist. Unfortunately the schools sometimes don't do it when they are supposed to.
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My wife was a teacher and now is the Assistant Director of a Private Pre-K, Kindergarten. Based on our experiences, she has been able to identify some things to parents to indicate issues, but teachers aren't qualified to diagnose these things, and she is very up front about that. She have never heard her complain about a child that potentially had these problems.
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Why are these issues so much more prevalent in today’s society than in the past?
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Well, as long as the kid is improving it's a win. Reading coach certainly doesn't hurt the matter does it?
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it's the newest scam... get your kid labeled with one or more learning disorders, and the public school systems are legally obliged to roll out the special education red carpet to these kids.

not only that, people on welfare will get additional income/revenue if their kid is labeled with some special needs classification.

It's BS, and takes away resources from the kids who actually need the help. It matters because it's less resources for all the other kids who aren't "classified" with some disorder or learning disability. It also matters because for tax payers, it's about 3-4 times more expensive to educate a special needs kid than a regular ed kid.
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immunizations when the kids are born

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it's the newest scam... get your kid labeled with one or more learning disorders, and the public school systems are legally obliged to roll out the special education red carpet to these kids.

not only that, people on welfare will get additional income/revenue if their kid is labeled with some special needs classification.

It's BS, and takes away resources from the kids who actually need the help.
Wow, this is a really ignorant statement.
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What does PC have to do with anything? Have you had a child with dyslexia or ADHD? I have had two. One is a junior in college and the other is graduating High School this year. It hasn't been easy for them, or us, but I'm proud of them.

When I see someone posting this kind of garbage it ticks me off. If your wife gets annoyed at it, maybe she ought to do something else.
My wife is very good at her job. She's actually the one that tries to get kids with problems the help they need. That's usually her struggle. This case is the opposite.
The parents DID get the kid tested but they don't like the results. They simply want the school to agree with them. They are free to go get him tested again. But like I said I'll try to get the wife to update later today.

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A few reasons. I won't say just yet or people may get butthurt.
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It probably existed but wasn't diagnosed. I had a friend growing up that was diagnosed in the early 70's with dyslexia. Most teachers just thought he was stupid. The guy in a Professor of History at ASU now.
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Wow, this is a really ignorant statement.
no, it's actually a very well informed argument. There's nothing wrong with special needs kids, or requests. There is something wrong with people working the system in an unethical manner.

in addition to that, there is an over abundance of "identifying" disorders in an effort to peg someone's overall performance as a disorder, instead of just acknowledging a difference in intelligence of drive to succeed.

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My wife is very good at her job. She's actually the one that tries to get kids with problems the help they need. That's usually her struggle. This case is the opposite.
The parents DID get the kid tested but they don't like the results. They simply want the school to agree with them. They are free to go get him tested again. But like I said I'll try to get the wife to update later today.



A few reasons. I won't say just yet or people may get butthurt.
Honestly, I don't know why your wife would talk about these things with you. My wife won't discuss issues with me because it would get her fired.
I guess your wife isn't concerned about that.
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Wow, this is a really ignorant statement.
Lol! It's the latest attack on Christian households led by a white male!
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no, it's actually a very well informed argument. There's nothing wrong with special needs kids, or requests. There is something wrong with people working the system in an unethical manner
I agree. But I have known a lot of parents of kids with these issues that weren't. They were professional people, not welfare recipients gaming the system.
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As a teacher, why fight it? So the kid gets some extra reading strategies and maybe a few accommodations to help him/her be successful. Your wife would be better off stress wise and the kid wouldn't be the pawn in a power struggle between your wife and the parents.
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We had Riley tested at Shriners Dyslexia Testing after Burnet kept giving us excuse after excuse of delaying testing her. My opinion they didn't have any one qualified. Shriners came back saying not only is she Dyslexic but severe. Now Burnet has Shriners certified Dyslexia teachers. You can read one hand written paper and know immediately she is Dyslexic. Some schools are lazy and don't want to incur the cost of hiring specialist.
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I agree. But I have known a lot of parents of kids with these issues that weren't. They were professional people, not welfare recipients gaming the system.
absolutely. it's not an either/or argument, it's an opinion based on what I see. But to your point, It seems that educated people also see the benefits of their kids being identified with some learning disability.

math grade slipping a little bit? no prob, get them ID'd with dyslexia, ADHD, or a slew of other disorders, and you'll get a 1 on 1 private tutor. Your kid doesn't take tests well? no problem, get them 504'd, and the normal testing times no longer apply. They can have as much time as they want.

If I hear "just get your kid 504'd" one more time....

Just look at what's shaking out in hollywood. multi millionaires PAYING thousands to have their kids admissions standards modified, or college entrance scores changed! it's insanity, and in many ways, even more of a problem with wealthy people than poor people who might try to cheat the system.

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We had Riley tested at Shriners Dyslexia Testing after Burnet kept giving us excuse after excuse of delaying testing her. My opinion they didn't have any one qualified. Shriners came back saying not only is she Dyslexic but severe. Now Burnet has Shriners certified Dyslexia teachers. You can read one hand written paper and know immediately she is Dyslexic. Some schools are lazy and don't want to incur the cost of hiring specialist.
Yeah, what ticked me off is that we were in the Frisco ISD, not exactly a poor school district. I think a lot of it had to do with people that should have retired a long time ago thinking that they didn't want to rock the boat. I believe the new crop of teachers have been trained to recognize the things and properly handle it, i.e. refer them for testing.
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Just like in every other aspect of life, when do the diagnosis and excuses stop and personal responsibility start? I can't wait until every single kid gets to bring an emotion support rabbit to school because they really really need it. And if you don't let them you don't care about the children. The teacher will be the awful one because she says the bunny is a distraction to the class.
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absolutely. it's not an either/or argument, it's an opinion based on what I see. But to your point, It seems that educated people also see the benefits of their kids being identified with some learning disability.

math grade slipping a little bit? no prob, get them ID'd with dyslexia, ADHD, or a slew of other disorders, and you'll get a 1 on 1 private tutor. Your kid doesn't take tests well? no problem, get them 504'd, and the normal testing times no longer apply. They can have as much time as they want.

If I hear "just get your kid 504'd" one more time....
Yeah, we paid out the nose for tutors, on our dime. School district didn't provide much of anything, even accommodations for testing. My daughter hardly was given accommodations for testing, and it was reflected in her grades.
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Some of these post make people sound very stupid and uneducated. First of all, you don't cure learning disabilities. It's not a disease, it's a different way of learning.


The simple solution to your original post is to get the kid tested. This has nothing to do with PC.


Learning disabilities aren't more prevalent, they're just becoming more recognized and accepted for what they are.

I have dyscalculia and I can assure you, it's very real. I struggled through math classes all the way into High school. I did very well in all subjects except for math. I was finally tested and diagnosed my sophomore year. After I figured out the problem, I was able to receive different teaching methods. Once I got to college, I excelled and made A's in my college math classes with no assistance. I graduated college in 4 years with a bachelors degree and a minor with ease, with no special assistance.

So before more people go on commenting on a subject they have no clue about, thing twice. Some of yall sound like Obama trying to tell Chris kyle about what caliber to use.

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THE KID WAS TESTED


Everyone keeps posting this. He was tested. That's the point of the thread.
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Some of these post make people sound very stupid and uneducated. First of all, you don't cure learning disabilities. It's not a disease, it's a different way of learning.


The simple solution to your original post is to get the kid tested. This has nothing to do with PC.


Learning disabilities aren't more prevalent, they're just becoming more recognized and accepted for what they are.

I have dyscalculia and I can assure you, it's very real. I struggled through math classes all the way into High school. I did very well in all subjects except for math. I was finally tested and diagnosed my sophomore year. After I figured out the problem, I was able to receive different teaching methods. Once I got to college, I excelled and made A's in my college math classes with no assistance. I graduated college in 4 years with a bachelors degree and a minor with ease, with no special assistance.

So before more people go on commenting on a subject they have no clue about, thing twice. Some of yall sound like Obama trying to tell Chris kyle about what caliber to use.
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As a teacher, why fight it? So the kid gets some extra reading strategies and maybe a few accommodations to help him/her be successful. Your wife would be better off stress wise and the kid wouldn't be the pawn in a power struggle between your wife and the parents.

My thought as well. I was a principal for 20 years and special ed was my specialty. Often times teachers (especially good ones) get upset about things that really don't affect them because they care so much. This sounds like a non issue (is actually a non-issue) but I've seen people get upset like the op's wife dozens of times over similar situations.
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There are 2 different types of Special Ed kids, ones that have learning disabilities and ones that have an Emotional Disturbance or an OHI, Other Health impairment (13 diagnoses fit into this category). Each kid in these groups had to be observed, tested and diagnosed and and an ARD has to be held with the parents, teachers and those involved in the observations and testing of this particular kid being talked about. If all are in agreement then papers are signed, accommodations, Goals and a Schedule of Services is set. Everything that is in the IEP, Individualized Education Plan, and that is LAW, it has to be done. Most even have a BIP, Behavior Intervention Plan to deal with possible behaviors. Some school systems have the staff to deal with a regular (learning disability) student but not many have a program to deal with the ED or OHI kids. None of the schools around our area have anything like the program I work in to deal with the ED and OHI kids.

Some schools may not have anyone that could test or do a diagnosis on ids so it may have to come from an outside source.

The difference in these 2 Special Ed programs here are this:

Regular Special Education kids have a learning disability.
The kids I work with are Special Education kids but have an ED or OHI that affects their learning ability. These are behavior kids.

I will say this, teachers see a lot with the time they spend with these kids and should know their kids, but I have seen parents that would not accept a diagnosis or have their kids tested. Parents have to agree to the testing done by the schools.

A few of the things said by some regarding testing and such is not entirely true, and just because they are deemed a 504 kid or one of my kids does not mean they get a private tutor for anything. They may get pulled out of class for a 1 on 1 session for reading or math 2, 3 maybe 4 times per week for 30 to 45 minutes per session, but that is decided in the ARD. Yes they can have more time on tests and the STAAR test, but that is just the entire day of that particular STAAR test. If an extra day is needed for STAAR, then an ARF has to be done and approved by the TEA.
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Old 05-07-2019, 02:57 PM   #43
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THE KID WAS TESTED


Everyone keeps posting this. He was tested. That's the point of the thread.
Suggest having the kid Tested at a Shriners Dyslexia Center. The are by far the leading authority on Dyslexia. Not saying this is the case but some "qualified Dyslexic teachers" are not qualified and not good at what they do.
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I will say this, teachers see a lot with the time they spend with these kids and should know their kids, but I have seen parents that would not accept a diagnosis or have their kids tested. Parents have to agree to the testing done by the schools.

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that's pretty much my point....

people seem to be confusing posts as being anti special ed, vs the actual issue of parents shopping the system to get the test result they think is right.

as for other comments about "why should a teacher care".... who does these special 1 on 1 sessions? We spend a plethora of time in public schools on classified kids, while the bulk of the kids who are in the middle of the bell curve just go through, doing their assignments, just being average. My problem is the amount of time spent on bringing the bottom of the bell curve up, while basically ignoring the vast majority of the students in the system.

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My thought as well. I was a principal for 20 years and special ed was my specialty. Often times teachers (especially good ones) get upset about things that really don't affect them because they care so much. This sounds like a non issue (is actually a non-issue) but I've seen people get upset like the op's wife dozens of times over similar situations.
How is it a non-issue? She had two extra meetings today alone just for this. She has 20 other children to teach.
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Suggest having the kid Tested at a Shriners Dyslexia Center. The are by far the leading authority on Dyslexia. Not saying this is the case but some "qualified Dyslexic teachers" are not qualified and not good at what they do.
I think my wife would like nothing more than for them to get the kid tested at a place like that. I'm sure it has been suggested many times.
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How is it a non-issue? She had two extra meetings today alone just for this. She has 20 other children to teach.
she just needs to teach and not worry about it, RR! you know... when she's not preparing for an ARD, or a special 1 on 1 session, or creating special curriculum to address the 7 kids in her class that have 7 different "identified" learning issues, or in a parent conference with parents who are hell bent on their kid being classified, and just can't accept the fact everyone doesn't have a 160 IQ.

man, why won't your wife "just teach"?
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Honestly, I don't know why your wife would talk about these things with you. My wife won't discuss issues with me because it would get her fired.
I guess your wife isn't concerned about that.
Because if she didn't, she would probably explode! The amount of b.s. teachers have to put up with these days is insane. I would hope spouse's could confide in each other enough to vent a bit....thought that was part of the deal. Don't think I'd run off to work and tattle tale on her and get her fired!geez... Parents are THE main reason my Mother retired when she did.
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Your wife and nobody at the school “knows” what the kid has. My oldest has autism. For a few years we were told everything from ADHD to Oppositional Disorder. He spent two weeks at evaluation in Dallas. Everyone was surprised including Mom and Dad. Had a new educational plan and some accommodations such as being able to put himself in an quiet enviornment when needed. Went from what everyone that was struggling and claiming he had a certain learning or behavioral condition and barely getting by in school to an average student in general education

Tell your wife to stay in her lane

That is my thoughts. Besides, what is it to her if the kid has a coach or not. If he is reading better that is a good thing right?

I dont understand the issue.
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Old 05-07-2019, 03:21 PM   #50
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Because if she didn't, she would probably explode! The amount of b.s. teachers have to put up with these days is insane. I would hope spouse's could confide in each other enough to vent a bit....thought that was part of the deal. Don't think I'd run off to work and tattle tale on her and get her fired!geez... Parents are THE main reason my Mother retired when she did.
Such a thing as professionalism. You probably aren't familiar with the term.

Even if my wife shared these things, I wouldn't be stupid and put them out on an open forum.

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