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Old 03-02-2021, 11:34 AM   #1
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I just filled out their annual survey on the draw system.

I left comments questioning why Non-residents have the same application fees and draw odds when no other state in the US offers the same. We get boned on fees and odds for all western hunts in all western states. And we have the least federal land of all of them, by a longshot. I mean a nonresident won one of our only bighorn tags!!! It clearly upset me haha.

Please follow suit and comment to the same effect. Maybe we can get some traction.

*If I'm wrong about the odds and fees please correct me and I'll edit my post.

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Old 03-02-2021, 11:36 AM   #2
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agreed. going to check my email
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Old 03-02-2021, 11:44 AM   #3
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That is ridiculous.

I guess I was dumb enough to think the draw system was for only Texas residents......jeez what was I thinking (not).....

I will send a comment.
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Old 03-02-2021, 11:45 AM   #4
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I won a "postcard" duck hunt in Arkansas for the draw and permit fee of $5.00.
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Old 03-02-2021, 11:46 AM   #5
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Is this only for successful draws?
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Old 03-02-2021, 11:49 AM   #6
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Is this only for successful draws?
I think that it is for anyone who applied. Applied but did not win and got survey.

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Old 03-02-2021, 11:50 AM   #7
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I won a "postcard" duck hunt in Arkansas for the draw and permit fee of $5.00.
Good to know. That's valuable info.

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Old 03-02-2021, 11:52 AM   #8
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I believe they still have to buy a non-resident Texas hunting license which is a much higher fee than residents pay. Now if they were to mimic Colorado they'd have to buy that NR license before they can apply, but at least the ones who're successful will purchase it. On the other hand, OP, I don't think NR's are flocking to our draw to hunt in TX though so this is likely a fairly minimal impact.
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Old 03-02-2021, 11:56 AM   #9
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I believe they still have to buy a non-resident Texas hunting license which is a much higher fee than residents pay. Now if they were to mimic Colorado they'd have to buy that NR license before they can apply, but at least the ones who're successful will purchase it. On the other hand, OP, I don't think NR's are flocking to our draw to hunt in TX though so this is likely a fairly minimal impact.
You're right about the general license, it is about double resident price I think. Negligible compared to most western hunt prices though. Plus, they're still getting the same odds.

I might just open records request resident vs nonresident application numbers. You might be surprised with the exposure from Meateater hunting south Texas Nilgai and Aron Snyder hunting Palo Duro audad.

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Old 03-02-2021, 12:03 PM   #10
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Pretty similar to the Super Tag raffles in Wyoming. Everyone pays the same and has the same odds, NR do pay higher license costs if they win.
NR license in Texas is $315.
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Old 03-02-2021, 12:05 PM   #11
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I got the email and didnt draw.

I expressed thoughts on preference points, out of state, second draws, standbys and the condition of the grounds of a hunt we drew last spring
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Old 03-02-2021, 12:07 PM   #12
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Pretty similar to the Super Tag raffles in Wyoming. Everyone pays the same and has the same odds, NR do pay higher license costs if they win.
NR license in Texas is $315.
Any idea if the number of super tags available is similar to the amount of tags offered for Texas hunts, or if application costs are similar? Not trying to be a smartass, I genuinely have no idea.

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Old 03-02-2021, 12:09 PM   #13
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And most western states allocate 90% of available tags to residents and when there's only one tag, it must go to a resident.
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Old 03-02-2021, 12:10 PM   #14
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You're right about the general license, it is about double resident price I think. Negligible compared to most western hunt prices though. Plus, they're still getting the same odds.

I might just open records request resident vs nonresident application numbers. You might be surprised with the exposure from Meateater hunting south Texas Nilgai and Aron Snyder hunting Palo Duro audad.

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I'd be interested to see the numbers, if you do the request please let us know what you find out. The NR Texas hunting license is WAY more than double though, way more.
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Old 03-02-2021, 12:18 PM   #15
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I'd be interested to see the numbers, if you do the request please let us know what you find out. The NR Texas hunting license is WAY more than double though, way more.
I just submitted a request. I'll post the response when I get it.

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Old 03-02-2021, 12:20 PM   #16
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I agree those big hunts with 1 draw should only go to Texas residents
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Old 03-02-2021, 12:22 PM   #17
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I agree those big hunts with 1 draw should only go to Texas residents
This is exactly what I wrote. The most coveted tag going to a non-resident is not cool man.
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Old 03-02-2021, 01:08 PM   #18
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The only hunts out of staters are trying to draw in Texas are bighorn and maybe the raffle or exotic hunts. But, it is definitely the cheapest bighorn tag in the country.

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Old 03-02-2021, 01:18 PM   #19
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And most western states allocate 90% of available tags to residents and when there's only one tag, it must go to a resident.
I believe non-residents are awarded around 14% of available NM bighorn sheep tags. Seems like that is pretty fair for the very limited Sheep tags?
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Old 03-02-2021, 01:31 PM   #20
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1. nr need to buy license before applying
2. more state controlled lands need open esp for exotics

Cc'ed and sent my survey and comments to state and federal representatives. All I can do
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Old 03-02-2021, 01:42 PM   #21
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Any idea if the number of super tags available is similar to the amount of tags offered for Texas hunts, or if application costs are similar? Not trying to be a smartass, I genuinely have no idea.

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Here is the breakdown of the hunts offered, 11 total and 1 is the 3 tag Super hunt. They also have some other raffles that entrants get in on when they buy, clothing, rifles etc..

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/WGFD/media/cont...PERTAG_FAQ.pdf
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Old 03-02-2021, 01:48 PM   #22
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Same in Oklahoma...NR pay the same as residents for the draw hunts. NR just has to pay the higher priced NR license.
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Old 03-02-2021, 04:32 PM   #23
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Good point, I got the same survey an will ask the same thing. Won't do any goob but also going to of relay my displeasure on how they have run the Hagerman hunts since taking it over.
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Old 03-02-2021, 06:06 PM   #24
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I just filled out their annual survey on the draw system.

I left comments questioning why Non-residents have the same application fees and draw odds when no other state in the US offers the same. We get boned on fees and odds for all western hunts in all western states. And we have the least federal land of all of them, by a longshot. I mean a nonresident won one of our only bighorn tags!!! It clearly upset me haha.

Please follow suit and comment to the same effect. Maybe we can get some traction.

*If I'm wrong about the odds and fees please correct me and I'll edit my post.

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Old 03-02-2021, 06:09 PM   #25
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What a coincidence I literally wrote the exact same thing on my survey today on my lunch break
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Old 03-02-2021, 06:49 PM   #26
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I saw the email about the survey and had the same thought.. at a minimum anyone that applys needs to have a license first, that means NR have to but the out of state to apply which is where alot of western states are heading. $100 in CO just to play the PP game now
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Old 03-02-2021, 06:56 PM   #27
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I understand wanting to give preference to residents, but as a lifetime license holder if I ever leave Texas you can bet I’ll still be applying for just as many hunts as I do now, if not more, and I’d hate to know I would have worse odds, especially having 10+ points in many hunt categories.
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Old 03-02-2021, 07:00 PM   #28
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I understand wanting to give preference to residents, but as a lifetime license holder if I ever leave Texas you can bet Iíll still be applying for just as many hunts as I do now, if not more, and Iíd hate to know I would have worse odds, especially having 10+ points in many hunt categories.
You'll have bigger problems than drawing odds if you ever leave Tyeaxus. Lol
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Old 03-02-2021, 07:24 PM   #29
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I'd be interested to see the numbers, if you do the request please let us know what you find out. The NR Texas hunting license is WAY more than double though, way more.
Compared to the number of tags they get compared to what you get out of state itís still nothing to what they do.
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Old 03-02-2021, 07:27 PM   #30
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I commented that nr shouldn’t even be able to apply for low quota hunts like bighorn, mule deer, turkey. And only one ap per category.
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Old 03-02-2021, 07:43 PM   #31
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If TPWD had a program that allowed a non-drawn hunter to volunteer to help run the/a hunt in exchange for a preference point or two for the following year in the hunt category of your choosing, would you volunteer?
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Old 03-02-2021, 07:55 PM   #32
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You'll have bigger problems than drawing odds if you ever leave Tyeaxus. Lol
True story
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Old 03-02-2021, 08:02 PM   #33
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If TPWD had a program that allowed a non-drawn hunter to volunteer to help run the/a hunt in exchange for a preference point or two for the following year in the hunt category of your choosing, would you volunteer?
No, because their preference points don’t mean anything.
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Old 03-02-2021, 08:27 PM   #34
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Good point. Didnít know this. I deleted the email, but Iíll
Be going back to find it!
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Old 03-02-2021, 08:48 PM   #35
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After traveling across the country throughout my life. It’s amazing how little public land exists in Texas compared to other states. FWIW I go to Big Bend every year, lots of land.

Texas resident for Texas tags.
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Old 03-02-2021, 08:57 PM   #36
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It doesn't bother me except for New Mexico residents. They are biggest bunch of whiners I have ever seen.
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Old 03-03-2021, 08:26 AM   #37
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I submitted similar comments on my survey before I saw your thread. Glad to see Iím it the only one who feels this way.


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Old 03-03-2021, 08:46 AM   #38
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I believe they still have to buy a non-resident Texas hunting license which is a much higher fee than residents pay. Now if they were to mimic Colorado they'd have to buy that NR license before they can apply, but at least the ones who're successful will purchase it. On the other hand, OP, I don't think NR's are flocking to our draw to hunt in TX though so this is likely a fairly minimal impact.
You mean mimic every other westerníish state.... NM, Okla, CO, UT, AZ, Idaho, WY, Montana, NV, WA, OR, etc all require a non refundable license. Those are just state I apply in every year

3% of 250k is still significant especially when we arenít capped on hunts per species. Our exotic/aoudad hunts have significant NR Apps.
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Old 03-03-2021, 08:53 AM   #39
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Same in Oklahoma...NR pay the same as residents for the draw hunts. NR just has to pay the higher priced NR license.
Only draw in Oklahoma you don't have to have a current license to enter is the LO Pronghorn, because it's considered crop depredation and are transferable.
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Old 03-03-2021, 08:55 AM   #40
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I ripped them up in their survey about Preference points, mutiple app per hunt, etc. I wish it would go back to the old way. I haven't been drawn since they went online. It's all about the money to them and I told them that.
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Old 03-03-2021, 08:58 AM   #41
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I just filled out their annual survey on the draw system.

I left comments questioning why Non-residents have the same application fees and draw odds when no other state in the US offers the same. We get boned on fees and odds for all western hunts in all western states. And we have the least federal land of all of them, by a longshot. I mean a nonresident won one of our only bighorn tags!!! It clearly upset me haha.

Please follow suit and comment to the same effect. Maybe we can get some traction.

*If I'm wrong about the odds and fees please correct me and I'll edit my post.

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I got it and will do the same....that sheep tag was supposed to be MINE!

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Old 03-03-2021, 09:02 AM   #42
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I believe non-residents are awarded around 14% of available NM bighorn sheep tags. Seems like that is pretty fair for the very limited Sheep tags?
What percentage of total sheep tag revenue comes from NR?

The resident tag is $160
Non-Resident tag is $3173

NR PER 100 tags foot 70% of revenue.

If residents what to foot the wildlife funding revenue loss. Cut all NR Tags.
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Old 03-03-2021, 09:08 AM   #43
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What percentage of total sheep tag revenue comes from NR?

The resident tag is $160
Non-Resident tag is $3173

NR PER 100 tags foot 70% of revenue.

If residents what to foot the wildlife funding revenue loss. Cut all NR Tags.
The price does not seem to have any impact on the number of applicants so those tags may be a little undervalued by the game and fish.
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Old 03-03-2021, 09:17 AM   #44
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I'd be interested to see the numbers, if you do the request please let us know what you find out. The NR Texas hunting license is WAY more than double though, way more.
Non-resident big game license has 5 whitetail tags, 2 mule deer, and 4 turkey tags, two javillina and includes small game and upland.

What state has the same for $315?

The equivalent
In NM that's $2300, although you can't get that many deer tags
In Oklahoma that's $482 if you only hunt deer in one season. (Although you can get that many deer tags or turkey or javi)
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The price does not seem to have any impact on the number of applicants so those tags may be a little undervalued by the game and fish.
Lol, well played.
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Old 03-03-2021, 09:19 AM   #46
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They won’t do anything that will cut there revenue. Lol.
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Old 03-03-2021, 09:35 AM   #47
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Lol, well played.
Sheep are a very valuable resource to have for the game and fish for any state.

Have not even looked at what governors sheep tags are bringing these days throughout the west.
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Old 03-03-2021, 09:37 AM   #48
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Pretty similar to the Super Tag raffles in Wyoming. Everyone pays the same and has the same odds, NR do pay higher license costs if they win.
NR license in Texas is $315.
How many animals can they kill with that lic?
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Old 03-03-2021, 09:37 AM   #49
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Iím this episode of the Meat Eater podcast Steve interviews the director of TPWD and during the interview they talk specifically about non residents impact on the draw system.

https://pca.st/episode/572161c1-fe55...f-59fde110972a


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Old 03-03-2021, 09:51 AM   #50
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They wonít do anything that will cut there revenue. Lol.

Increasing NR draw fees will increase revenue. Most western states use NR tags and app fees to fund the majority of their departments...


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