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Old 02-13-2021, 07:40 AM   #1
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What do some of you coastal guys think this cold stretch will do to the reds and specs? When was the last time it got this cold down there? I see the Port O’Connor water temp is already 46 with more cold on the way.


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Old 02-13-2021, 07:47 AM   #2
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Most of the fish kills are when we have a huge swing in temps and they get caught in swallow water.
It’s been cold long enough hopefully the majority of them have moved to deeper mud bottoms, I’m sure some will still die but my guess we won’t see a huge die off.
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Like Capt said not a quick change. I bet places like Shoalwater Pass and Army Hole have fish piled in so thick you could catch them on bare hooks
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Old 02-13-2021, 08:26 AM   #4
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Is this not fast enough of a swing? Not trying to be a smart@ss, I’m genuinely curious


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Old 02-13-2021, 08:38 AM   #5
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I've lived on the coast and fished it my whole life. I hope I'm wrong but I think bass fishing is about to get crowded. This could be bad.
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Old 02-13-2021, 08:58 AM   #6
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I've lived on the coast and fished it my whole life. I hope I'm wrong but I think bass fishing is about to get crowded. This could be bad.
Definitely worried. I remember after the 80 freezes where you grinded all day for 2 or 3 specks & called it a great day afterwards.
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Old 02-13-2021, 09:05 AM   #7
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The number of boats and the better equipment these days will make recovery slower. It was tough fishing after the freezes in 83 and 89. It took years to recover. Below 45 degree water temps start affecting trout ( I know that graph is surface temp) and it's not going to take long to get to that. Reds were already getting shallow so l know there will be some trapped in the back lakes. I'm hoping for the best, we'll know soon enough.
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Snook and Mangrove Snapper will kick the bucket first.....when temps hover around 40’ specks will get stressed, then as it drops they’ll kick the bucket next.
Redfish are more resilient, but sustained temps below 39’ will get them too
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Reds will be fine. It could be rough on the specs. There will be lots of fish in the rivers and ship channels.
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Old 02-13-2021, 09:42 AM   #10
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This may boost the founder fry survival rates. They need cooler water, especially for sexy ratios to favor females. Water temp determines the sex and the fry and cooler temps will skew the ratios for females. We’ve been skewed for males for years.
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Old 02-13-2021, 09:54 AM   #11
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There will likely be fish killed. The longer this cold last, the more that will die.

Years ago, we used to fish Conn Brown Harbor when it got down in the 20s or lower for two or three days in a row. Conn Brown Harbor would be packed with fish, it was crazy. Even with that deep harbor, there were a lot of fish floating after two or three days, of the cold. They are trapped in there and can't get out. If they do leave the harbor, they will die very quickly, so they will be stuck in there packed together, with little food. Not sure about the oxygen content of the water, in conditions like those, that could be a factor, where there are a lot of fish packed in one area for numerous days. There could easily be other factors that cause problems I am not aware of, with that many fished packed together for multiple days.

Years ago when it was in the 20s or colder for two or three days, areas around the bays, would have the shores on the side the waves were going to, lined with thousands of dead fish. The fish that do the best, are probably the ones who go over to places like the power plant turbine outlets, along the ship channel in Corpus. That water is much warmer. That or swim out to the gulf. Most likely the small bait fish and likely shrimp will be hit pretty hard.

The bigger channels like the Port of Corpus Christ, are probably big enough that the fish in there will do fine, plenty of oxygen, plenty warm and possibly plenty of food. The fish in the more rural areas, where there are not any deep man made channels in the area, those areas will likely see high fish kills.

Hopefully this does not kill many fish.
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Old 02-13-2021, 10:09 AM   #12
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Was is the freeze of 83 when east bay froze and then they did a no fishing for “x” amount of time ? I could be wrong.
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Old 02-13-2021, 10:13 AM   #13
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Old 02-13-2021, 10:18 AM   #14
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Was is the freeze of 83 when east bay froze and then they did a no fishing for “x” amount of time ? I could be wrong.
I remember that. I was 9 years old. I have photos of slushy ice along the shore somewhere.
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Old 02-13-2021, 10:52 AM   #15
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Definitely worried. I remember after the 80 freezes where you grinded all day for 2 or 3 specks & called it a great day afterwards.
Agreed. Fishing for trout in the year following the 83 freeze was about as productive as fishing my swimming pool. That cold snap lasted about 2 weeks. Hopefully, this event won't be close to that one as far as trout devastation.
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Old 02-13-2021, 12:26 PM   #16
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must happen every year... fishery not close to being as good as Louisiana, I live here but salt water catching is done in Louisiana IMHO
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Was is the freeze of 83 when east bay froze and then they did a no fishing for “x” amount of time ? I could be wrong.
That was the bad one that basically started all the stricter red and speck limits. Lost a ton of fish in that one. I remember CC Bay froze over quite a bit. There were dead 30”+ trout all over the place.

Happened again in 89. Not quite as bad.
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Old 02-13-2021, 01:19 PM   #18
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If next weeks forecast holds true we won’t know how devastating until Friday in 83-89 coastal rivers had dead fish on both banks 15-20’ of water, stayed below freezing too long.
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must happen every year... fishery not close to being as good as Louisiana, I live here but salt water catching is done in Louisiana IMHO


That’s cool if you like 12” trout
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Old 02-13-2021, 01:49 PM   #20
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Old 02-13-2021, 02:52 PM   #21
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Old 02-13-2021, 03:03 PM   #22
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I was waiting for someone to respond to that comment.

Agree, they can have all those 12” trout, now some 16” redfish, I’ll box those all day long.
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Old 02-13-2021, 03:08 PM   #23
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Well this is interesting

https://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/rel...?req=20210213a


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Old 02-13-2021, 03:11 PM   #24
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Hopefully TPWD can negotiate with the barge companies to stop pushing barges for a few days. That would really help.
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Old 02-13-2021, 03:19 PM   #25
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Like Capt said not a quick change. I bet places like Shoalwater Pass and Army Hole have fish piled in so thick you could catch them on bare hooks
Checked army hole Thursday pre-fishing for the legends tourney. They weren’t thick there yet but should be soon. Was without a doubt the most miserable fishing conditions I’ve been on the water for. Hats off to the guys who fished day 2.
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Old 02-13-2021, 03:29 PM   #26
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I just hope everyone who enjoys catching trout does their part if they plan on fishing after this event. If the freeze doesn’t kill the fish they will be stacked in certain places people know about, please tell everyone you know that is going to take it easy on them. Keep a few but cut most loose, there is a lot of people fishing now and a lot of people have way more information on where to be, for the future of the fishery pass this along, don’t stand on em too hard if you get on em afterwards.
To the original question no one knows how cold it is gonna get but this might be the closest we have come to match the 80’s. Fingers crossed.
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Old 02-13-2021, 05:36 PM   #28
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There will be a lot of turtles lost as well. Hopefully they can save many, as they always do.

Mangrove populations were really getting strong on the coast as well. They will probably be cut back severely by this system. Hopefully it doesn’t stay freezing too long.
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Old 02-13-2021, 06:56 PM   #29
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With low's in the low 20's followed by low teens on the upper coast I would think even trout that made it to deeper water may be in jeopardy. Mangroves are toast.

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Agreed. Fishing for trout in the year following the 83 freeze was about as productive as fishing my swimming pool. That cold snap lasted about 2 weeks. Hopefully, this event won't be close to that one as far as trout devastation.
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Old 02-15-2021, 07:44 AM   #31
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This is not good


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Major fish kill I’m afraid!!!
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Dang, that sucks.
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Old 02-15-2021, 09:30 AM   #34
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You've posted that graph twice now... first time "asking" about the fish kill... and not being a "smartarse"... now posting as if you know what you're talking about...

Not sure what your desired outcome is, but that graph is no predictor of bad things for the fish...



The '83 and '89 kills, the temperature dropped like that in 24-36 hours... as that graph shows, this was a prolonged event over a week... the fish very likely migrated to deeper water and that should help. Not saying all the fish will be OK, but it won't be like the earlier freezes... in the 80's freezes, many fish were trapped in holes that they ran to when the temps started dropping, but they weren't deep enough... With this prolonged but gradual drop, they likely were able to get to deeper water safely.


Leemo makes his living in our coastal waters.... I'm listening to him.


If I recall, the most devastating kills came on mullet and shad and that's likely what will start to show up first... Like Leemo posted the mangrove snapper and snook being tropical fish, could be wiped out here... dang shame too since both had made such a great comeback.


Freshwater lakes that have tialpia will see them hit bad too... They can't take anything below 50-55 degrees, shad too...
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That's not the same graph. It's updated two days later with temperatures that are nearly 10 degrees lower. Please calm down.

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This event is child's play compared to 83 and 89.
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I hope so. It ain't over yet. I did see on my phone's weather that Port A was going to be back to 49 deg tomorrow, problem is its 18 right now!!! I hope they are right and it jumps back up that quick! Even 49 is still low there. Sat they show 62.
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That’s cool if you like 12” trout

Apples and Oranges considering the different ecosystems.

I’ll take my 25 fish limit home and keep catching until my arms wear out over catching 2-3 fish a day. Some days are better on the TX coast, but i absolutely suck in Matty even throwing live bait.

Back home in Terrebonne Parish, it’s a different story. And plastics only


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This event is child's play compared to 83 and 89.

Wow that’s crazy. Can’t even imagine how bad that must have looked.


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I grew up next to Bastrop Bayou in Angleton. In 83 I could walk over to Richwood on the Bayou. Froze several inches thick, no problem at all. And I could do it 4 or 5 days straight. We tried fishing the next summer and it was a complete waste of time.

In 89 the Bayou froze over solid but not enough to walk across. We skipped rocks across it instead. Lasted about 3 days.

There will be a fish kill but those 2 storms were brutal.
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The weather got colder slower. Weather temps have been falling last two weeks. 89 i think it went from 70s to teens overnight. This trapped alot of fish in those pockets that are 5 foot etc. With this event im hoping fish had time to get in deep canals such as the ICW and therefore able to survive. Mother Nature is the only one that knows.
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Found this article in the Victoria Advocate:

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Matagorda has been without Power since about 3:00 am ....water temp went from 43.9 yesterday evening to 35.6 awhile ago, blowing like hell down here, the “bar” ditches headed toward the beach we’re still full, but on the north side of the canal getting a little skinny, in the event there is a kill, probably won’t see any floaters until this weekend on the account that the water too cold to making them start floating immediately...... I’ll keep y’all posted as much as I can, but cell service, I net is limited right now
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Matagorda has been without Power since about 3:00 am ....water temp went from 43.9 yesterday evening to 35.6 awhile ago, blowing like hell down here, the “bar” ditches headed toward the beach we’re still full, but on the north side of the canal getting a little skinny, in the event there is a kill, probably won’t see any floaters until this weekend on the account that the water too cold to making them start floating immediately...... I’ll keep y’all posted as much as I can, but cell service, I net is limited right now
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Matagorda has been without Power since about 3:00 am ....water temp went from 43.9 yesterday evening to 35.6 awhile ago, blowing like hell down here, the “bar” ditches headed toward the beach we’re still full, but on the north side of the canal getting a little skinny, in the event there is a kill, probably won’t see any floaters until this weekend on the account that the water too cold to making them start floating immediately...... I’ll keep y’all posted as much as I can, but cell service, I net is limited right now
Leemo, Are barges still moving?
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That's not the same graph. It's updated two days later with temperatures that are nearly 10 degrees lower. Please calm down.

Read what I posted again real slow this time...


This event occurred over several days not less than 2 days...


Fish had time to move into deeper water and were not as likely to get trapped in 5 foot water where they ran in the events of the '80's...



Not saying there won't be a kill, but it is not likely to be anywhere close to what happened in the 80's.


Bait fish will be the first to show up, then tropicals, then trout...


And finally, follow what Leemo has to post. It will be as accurate as anything you'll find.
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Leemo, Are barges still moving?
Most are “moored”, but I did see a west bound tow at Old Gulf
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4 million ducks sitting in the canal, never seen so many ducks in one place
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