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#51 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: San Antonio \ Cheyenne
Hunt In: Public lands
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In all seriousness, talking about the draw for public land in Texas they'd be buying a license for one species that they draw or put in to draw and it's extremely unrealistic to add up everything on the license to try to compare costs. |
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#52 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Spicewood, TX
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"Elk and deer tags that required six or more points are limited to 20% to non-residents while tags that took less than 6 points to draw permit up to 35% allocation to non-residents." Another example is WY... "Currently, the Wyoming resident receives or buys roughly 80% of the big game licenses .... Nonresident hunters receive approximately 20% of the licenses ..." |
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#53 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lampasas,Texas
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It is amazing to me the State controlled lands in far West Texas such as the Chinati Mountains SNA owned by the State of Texas since 1996, that have no hunts. Other State areas have very minimal hunting on them. I also think it is a travesty to pay State employees to shoot Aoudad, Elk and other exotics on Texas properties instead of having hunts for them. JMHO
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#54 |
Four Point
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: SETX
Hunt In: SETX, WTX
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Gripping on a survey isn't going to do much, this is going to have to be a legislative change. Only way to start that change is to get a hold of your congressman.
The draw system is quite annoying, but the way they control/ hand hold your hunt is the REALLY annoying part. example: Black gap wma is almost 70,000 acres and give out 16 MD tags! Only giving three days for each hunt. That's ridiculous! Elephant Mt give out the same 16 tags for only 20,000acres. So you can't say it's them protecting the resource. If the resource can't handle the hunting pressure for giving 16 hunters access to the area for 15 - 30 days don't give out the tags. Last edited by BassMaster13; 03-03-2021 at 10:27 AM. |
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#55 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2012
Hunt In: Bosque Brown Freestone Hill Navarro Counties
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Left my 2¢. Last year they actually changed 2 of the things I suggessted so maybe others were saying the same thing and they actually listened, I recommended more archery hunts opportunity and they did a little bit of that through the e-postcard hunts, though there still needs to be more with the WMA's they have access to, and recommended preference points being worth more and they cubed points so that works.
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#56 | |
Eight Point
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Aubrey
Hunt In: Public land
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The draw hunts won’t require a lease. Maybe I’m not understanding your point, but for a draw hunt the costs are rather easy to figure. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#57 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2012
Hunt In: Bosque Brown Freestone Hill Navarro Counties
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#58 | |
Eight Point
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Aubrey
Hunt In: Public land
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Wyoming has just introduced a Bill to reduce NR tags to 10% and further hike fees and non residents can’t do self guided hunts in federally designated wilderness. It’s not currently 10%, but there are some pretty significant additional costs and significantly less opportunity for NR hunters. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#59 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: TX
Hunt In: TX
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The sheep take precedence of MD. They are not going to turn out hunters for 30 days to harass sheep. I am surprised they give out 16 tags for Black Gap to be honest. More populated deer density around Elephant. Wonder what success rate for these deer hunts are. |
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#60 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2012
Hunt In: Bosque Brown Freestone Hill Navarro Counties
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I don't like that, points should only be gained by no draw in that category for the year. I'm not even that big a fan on the option to just buy a point for that year, you need to be in the hat to gain a point.
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#61 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2012
Hunt In: Bosque Brown Freestone Hill Navarro Counties
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#62 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2012
Hunt In: Bosque Brown Freestone Hill Navarro Counties
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#63 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Spicewood, TX
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#64 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lumberton Texas
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#65 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Wyoming
Hunt In: Wyoming , Texas, Colorado, Nebraska
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Wyoming also allowed over 40 NR to hunt bighorn sheep last year. NR get the tags not drawn in the resident draw rolled over into their draw for pronghorn and deer. Instead of putting those tags right into the leftover draw NR get to draw them. Cuts down on our extra tags we can draw and gives NR a bigger piece of the pie than residents. NR get 25% of our sheep tags and about 20% of the moose tags too. |
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#66 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Wyoming
Hunt In: Wyoming , Texas, Colorado, Nebraska
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Residents are wanting more sheep, moose, and LQ tags and not really in favor of the huge price increase, some blowhards are though. Elk licenses numbers will not change but where they are will, less LQ tags and more General licenses. |
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#67 | |
Eight Point
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Aubrey
Hunt In: Public land
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I probably should have added some punctuation separating the new Bill and the wilderness part. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#68 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Wyoming
Hunt In: Wyoming , Texas, Colorado, Nebraska
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That law is BS and every resident I know does not really like it.
I'm all for the 90/10 split for moose and sheep, bison too. More LQ tags would also be nice but the huge price increase is not cool, imo. |
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#69 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: High plains
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I’m just quantifying what you get for what you said below. Many states in west such as NM have OTC deer licenses for private also. Texas should at min require a NR small game licenses “ The NR Texas hunting license is WAY more than double though, way more.” Last edited by Texans42; 03-03-2021 at 12:31 PM. |
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#70 | |
Four Point
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: SETX
Hunt In: SETX, WTX
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70,000 acres, with 16 hunters in the field for lets just give it a conservative 15 days. Come on. I don't think the hunters that are willing to wait and draw this tag are gonna be out there messing with the sheep. I understand a lot of that land is vast but give people an opportunity. |
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#71 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ovalo
Hunt In: Taylor County
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Have not drawn anything since they went away from mail in applications. Now that they allow multiple selections in a category makes it even harder to draw. I don’t see them changing NR requirements it but worth a shot. It’s a money maker for them as is.
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#72 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: High plains
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#73 |
Four Point
Join Date: Aug 2018
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In regards to opening up the west Texas WMAs to any cast of people to go in and shoot aoudad, would probably end in a bad and expensive outcome
The risk to the local big horn population is pretty high. Too great a risk of the average Joe hunter thinking he’s on a group of aoudad and they be big horns. No offense meant to anyone out there, but look at the people who can’t even get restrictions right on the other drawn hunts, (people shooting spikes on doe hunts, mule deer doe on whitetail doe/spike hunts, not seeing the 8th point on a 7 point and under hunt at the chap, etc.) I would be interested to see the wildlife survey numbers on those vast WMAs and how many acres to the deer out there though. My survey included the following concerns: Let the individual purchase the loyalty point for $3 instead of putting in and possibly drawing a hunt. Many times you may not be able to get off work for the few hunts or the dates on the hunts you prefer don’t line up. I’d like the point but don’t want to draw or risk drawing that year. Other states allow this. Would hope to see it implemented here. |
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#74 |
Nubbin' Buck
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: Austin
Hunt In: Refugio, Victoria, Concho
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I filled out the survey yesterday saying:
1) prices need to be higher for non-residents or it should require a license before applying 2) odds need to be reduced for non-residents 3) tags with only one winner, e.g bighorn, should only go to residents. Personally, I'd prefer equal (or nearly equal) access/odds for all (resident & non-resident) in Texas public land hunts, but we get screwed by every other western state with low tag allocations and high tag prices to access federal public land that our tax dollars pay for so there needs to be some reciprocity. |
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#75 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Coeur D'Alene, Idaho
Hunt In: All Over
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At the end of the day, I am ok if they do. I am opportunistic and always will do a hunt that I know is good on the cheap, but If I have to apply for 10 years, spend 3K in fees for a hunt worth half that, they will lose my and a lot of other nonresidents. In 19 years of applying I drew TWO, yes TWO, high quality deer hunts... Lack of public land in Texas was major factor in my move. |
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#76 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Aug 2012
Hunt In: Bosque Brown Freestone Hill Navarro Counties
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#77 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Spring
Hunt In: Wherever & Whenever
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I did mine yesterday. I'm sure Texas will catch up on fees soon enough.
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#78 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2014
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#79 | |
Four Point
Join Date: Aug 2018
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Mule deer are generally larger and a different color than white tails but youÂ’d be amazed at those who canÂ’t tell a difference. If youÂ’ve ever been on a drawn public hunt on a WMA or public land where both species inhabit, the biologists will make a point to explain the distinct differences in the two, give stern warnings about shooting the wrong species and that itÂ’s happened before and youÂ’ll be ticketed if you do. I could see that possibly being an issue on the WMAs that have both big horns and aoudads. A stretch to some, but still realistic |
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#80 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: fort worth
Hunt In: central tx
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I just want to shoot an aoudad! Lol |
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#81 |
Four Point
Join Date: Jul 2016
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So why let some out of stater come hunt, when there are plenty of locals who ain’t getting picked...nope take care of us first!
I am biased, skunked 2 years in a row on the drawing Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#82 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: High plains
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I spend $45 plus CC interest every year in idaho just to put in for a moose tag with lessor draw odds then most our deer hunts |
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#83 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: High plains
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I got three emails from NWFG highlighting the differences so apparently it happens.
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#84 | |
Four Point
Join Date: Sep 2020
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#85 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: fort worth
Hunt In: central tx
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#86 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Feb 2016
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#87 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: TX
Hunt In: TX
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And there has been an instance of hunter shooting a bighorn ram thinking it was an aoudad a few years back, so it does happen. |
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#88 |
Four Point
Join Date: Aug 2018
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#89 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Wyoming
Hunt In: Wyoming , Texas, Colorado, Nebraska
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Update on Wyoming NR bill, it failed in committee.
However, Sy made it clear the outfitters association wants $1400 regular elk tags and $2000 in the special draw. Remember that when you are looking for a Wyoming elk hunt. |
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#90 | |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: San Antonio \ Cheyenne
Hunt In: Public lands
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I'd put money on that "hunter" knowing exactly what he shot and trying to use Aoudad as an excuse after getting caught. |
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#91 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Spicewood, TX
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#92 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: TX
Hunt In: TX
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#93 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: TX
Hunt In: TX
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Nope. Had it hanging on skinning rack in town til someone told him that wasn’t an aoudad. Doubt he is much of a hunter. That being said, most people that have never seen either would probably have a hard time differentiating when animal is running across mountain side.
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#94 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: San Antonio \ Cheyenne
Hunt In: Public lands
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lol **** that's crazy
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#95 |
Ten Point
![]() Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Victoria County
Hunt In: Wilson County
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Here’s what I wrote.
1) I do not like that non residents have the same draw odds as residents. Every other state in the nation allocated more tags for residents than non residents. 2) I believe that non residents should have to purchase a valid hunting license to be able to apply to the draw. This would be similar to having to buy the APH to apply to the e postcard hunts 3) I believe more hunts should be offered in more WMA and refuges. I know of many that are not hunted and could very easily support draw hunts. This would increase revenue and increase draw odds. 4) I would like to see the option to purchase a preference point. 5) I would like to see a point guard type system that you can purchase that would allow you to turn in your tag if drawn one time per hunt category. Arizona has such a system. It would increase revenue and help hunters that can not make that specific date. You could charge $15-20 per year per category. Once you use the point guard, you cannot use it again until you draw in that category and your points return to zero. 6) I would like to see more standby hunts offered. 7) it would be nice to have the option to draw with more than 4 people total per application. |
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#96 | |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Coppell
Hunt In: Sterling Co.
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I do think NR should be excluded from some of the hunts like big horn and mule deer since it's such a limited opportunity here and limit the amount of NR that can draw in a category like western states do |
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#97 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: San Antonio \ Cheyenne
Hunt In: Public lands
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Something to think about, if Texas were to allocate let's say 95% of drawn tags to residents like some of you are thinking then it would guarantee 5% of tags go to nonresidents. I'm not sure that's what we want as I doubt there's any NR's who put in for a lot of these hunts and with the way the odds work I'm not sure we want to guarantee any tags go to NR's.
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#98 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Marcos/Hempstead
Hunt In: Jim Wells
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Are we raging on a survey that was geared towards feedback on the online portal that allows you to enter draw hunts?
Dear Public Hunter, In an effort to evaluate our Public Hunt Draw System, we are conducting a survey to determine how you think the online Public Hunt Draw Application System did this season. |
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#99 | |
Eight Point
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Aubrey
Hunt In: Public land
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The very last “question” allows for comments on the entire program. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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#100 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Coeur D'Alene, Idaho
Hunt In: All Over
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I think you are going to have to start buying the $264 non res hunting license as well, or is that refunded to you if unsuccessful?
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