22 Mag VS 17 HMR Comparison - TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums

ttaxidermy · 03-01-2021, 08:53 AM

Light and fast vs heavy and slower. Which has more killing power? This should end that debate forever with these 2 calibers....

https://youtu.be/-0ESeoYkNuY

Cliff Dog · 03-01-2021, 09:07 AM

Cool. I like my .22 mag

TX03RUBI · 03-01-2021, 09:10 AM

I don’t see that ends anything. 22 mag penetrates far better. That’s never really been anyone’s argument. They both do a good jobs different aspects, and each will perform differently depending on game, shot placement, and projectile. For many applications I’d rather have a 17HMR. For others I’d rather have a 22 WMR. Both are fun to shoot and hunt with though.

WhiplashTX · 03-01-2021, 09:22 AM

^ I agree, it's like comparing a 22-250 vs a 308.

I was surprised that at a 100 yards the 22 mag almost made it into the 5th jug.

diamond10x · 03-01-2021, 09:33 AM

I love both. My ONLY complaint is the 22 mag just isn’t as accurate as the 17, in my experience.

BrianL · 03-01-2021, 09:50 AM

17 wins again

. I don't want huge penetration on my rimfire, I want all the energy consumed within 1-6 inches and massive bullet expansion/explosion. Most my targets for that gun are 6" or less thick, so penetration past that is just a waste of energy.

ttaxidermy · 03-01-2021, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TX03RUBI

I don’t see that ends anything. 22 mag penetrates far better. That’s never really been anyone’s argument. They both do a good jobs different aspects, and each will perform differently depending on game, shot placement, and projectile. For many applications I’d rather have a 17HMR. For others I’d rather have a 22 WMR. Both are fun to shoot and hunt with though.

Oh there have been many debates over the years.. No different than the arrow weight/speed debates.. Physics are physics..
Dont get me wrong I love the 17...

175gr7.62 · 03-01-2021, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by diamond10x

I love both. My ONLY complaint is the 22 mag just isn’t as accurate as the 17, in my experience.

Same here.

BrianL · 03-01-2021, 09:55 AM

If you are going after pigs and body shots, 22Mag wins that one hands down.

wilded · 03-01-2021, 09:59 AM

I have lost fox, bobcat and coyote with excellent bullet placement inside of 100 yards with the 17HMR, now use it for coon and down targets. The 22WMR just seems to anchor predators better. JMHO

Anon · 03-01-2021, 11:01 AM

This guy explodes some mice with 22lr, pretty interesting footage thru a thermal...also has videos shooting rabbits with 17hmr and 204 ruger...and even 308 lol always good to have multiple tools

duckmanep · 03-01-2021, 12:02 PM

still holding out for a 22 WSM someday. until then... sticking with my 17 wsm

Antlers86 · 03-01-2021, 12:09 PM

I love my 17HMR. Groups insanely tight and down right killer! Shot placement is key but that goes for any rifle.

okrattler · 03-01-2021, 04:12 PM

For bigger critters I prefer the .22mag. I've killed a lot with both but a badger is about the biggest animal I'd expect the .17hmr to kill consistently. If I were targeting animals over 15 pounds I'd choose the .22mag and 40 grain JHP's.

muzzlebrake · 03-01-2021, 04:38 PM

Which one dies quicker. One that is tickled to death or one that is stabbed to death.

okrattler · 03-01-2021, 06:10 PM

I will say that the .17WSM smokes both of them. I've shot coyotes,badgers,skunks,armadillos a grey fox and a beaver and small stuff like prairie dogs with my buddies .17WSM. It'll kill a coyote with a shot to the lungs at 100+ yards. Destroys prairie dogs like they got hit with a centerfire.

I've been shooting 20 grain Gamepoints for a while in my .17HMR. Killed a bobcat at 53 yards last week with a shot to the neck. Hit a big raccoon with it the other day and it had enough life left to jump in a well where I couldn't retrieve it. Massive blood loss but lived too long for my liking. Also shot a badger with the same gun,same bullet in the chest at 70 yards and it died far enough down the hole that I couldn't reach it. Tried to fish it out by tangling barbed wire in its fur and dragging him out but was unsuccessful. I know he died but he made it far enough that I couldn't get him. So in my opinion a bullet that fragments is a lot better in the .17HMR because it delivers more hydrostatic shock. The draw back to that is you can't shoot through heavier animals as well and reach vitals. The 20 grain seems like it's good for getting through to the good stuff it just doesn't deliver the amount of hydrostatic shock that a hollowpoint or v-max does. But I haven't tested that particular bullet out on enough big animals to really say how well they do. But based off of the three I've shot recently I haven't been real impressed. The bobcat is the only one that just went straight down and only kicked a few times. All three were good hits and they were confirmed dead. The raccoon and the badger just didn't drop on the spot which I don't like.

quackadikt · 03-03-2021, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by duckmanep

still holding out for a 22 WSM someday. until then... sticking with my 17 wsm

I’d love one of those.

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arrowsmack324 · 03-03-2021, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by okrattler

I will say that the .17WSM smokes both of them. I've shot coyotes,badgers,skunks,armadillos a grey fox and a beaver and small stuff like prairie dogs with my buddies .17WSM. It'll kill a coyote with a shot to the lungs at 100+ yards. Destroys prairie dogs like they got hit with a centerfire.

I've been shooting 20 grain Gamepoints for a while in my .17HMR. Killed a bobcat at 53 yards last week with a shot to the neck. Hit a big raccoon with it the other day and it had enough life left to jump in a well where I couldn't retrieve it. Massive blood loss but lived too long for my liking. Also shot a badger with the same gun,same bullet in the chest at 70 yards and it died far enough down the hole that I couldn't reach it. Tried to fish it out by tangling barbed wire in its fur and dragging him out but was unsuccessful. I know he died but he made it far enough that I couldn't get him. So in my opinion a bullet that fragments is a lot better in the .17HMR because it delivers more hydrostatic shock. The draw back to that is you can't shoot through heavier animals as well and reach vitals. The 20 grain seems like it's good for getting through to the good stuff it just doesn't deliver the amount of hydrostatic shock that a hollowpoint or v-max does. But I haven't tested that particular bullet out on enough big animals to really say how well they do. But based off of the three I've shot recently I haven't been real impressed. The bobcat is the only one that just went straight down and only kicked a few times. All three were good hits and they were confirmed dead. The raccoon and the badger just didn't drop on the spot which I don't like.

Apples to oranges man, rimfire vs centerfire

SmTx · 03-03-2021, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by arrowsmack324

Apples to oranges man, rimfire vs centerfire

both rimfire

BrianL · 03-03-2021, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by okrattler

I will say that the .17WSM smokes both of them. I've shot coyotes,badgers,skunks,armadillos a grey fox and a beaver and small stuff like prairie dogs with my buddies .17WSM. It'll kill a coyote with a shot to the lungs at 100+ yards. Destroys prairie dogs like they got hit with a centerfire.

.

I really like my Volquartsen 17 WSM. It will shoot sub 1" MOA and hits hard. I want to go prairie dog hunting with it someday soon if ammo starts stacking up on shelves again.

okrattler · 03-03-2021, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL

I really like my Volquartsen 17 WSM. It will shoot sub 1" MOA and hits hard. I want to go prairie dog hunting with it someday soon if ammo starts stacking up on shelves again.

Oh I bet that is a sweet gun. I wouldn't mind seeing them come out with a .22WSM. The 20 and 25 grain v-max both have worked fine putting down critters in my buddies rifle but I'd like to see them come out with hollowpoints and softpoints for the .17WSM.

TX03RUBI · 03-03-2021, 07:28 PM

The RimX action has tickled my pickle since day one when they announced they’d have a 17 WSM bolt head available for it. I haven’t managed to convince myself to spend the money yet, but one day I will. That thing will be a sweet little Varmint killer. Love the WSM round, but the rifle selection is horrendous. The VQ is the only quality rifle IMO, but I’m just not interested in a SA. If CZ made the 457 in a WSM I’d own one yesterday.

BrianL · 03-03-2021, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TX03RUBI

The RimX action has tickled my pickle since day one when they announced they’d have a 17 WSM bolt head available for it. I haven’t managed to convince myself to spend the money yet, but one day I will. That thing will be a sweet little Varmint killer. Love the WSM round, but the rifle selection is horrendous. The VQ is the only quality rifle IMO, but I’m just not interested in a SA. If CZ made the 457 in a WSM I’d own one yesterday.

VQ stop producing the 17 WSM

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okrattler · 03-03-2021, 08:48 PM

If I wanted to get serious about spending money on a rimfire I'd get a Franklin Armory F17.

RifleBowPistol · 03-04-2021, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TX03RUBI

I don’t see that ends anything. 22 mag penetrates far better. That’s never really been anyone’s argument. They both do a good jobs different aspects, and each will perform differently depending on game, shot placement, and projectile. For many applications I’d rather have a 17HMR. For others I’d rather have a 22 WMR. Both are fun to shoot and hunt with though.

Yep, I agree completely.

RifleBowPistol · 03-04-2021, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Anon

Mouse Hunt - Pest Control & Thermal Shooting with a 22LR Lithgow LA101 - YouTube
This guy explodes some mice with 22lr, pretty interesting footage thru a thermal...also has videos shooting rabbits with 17hmr and 204 ruger...and even 308 lol always good to have multiple tools

When I was a kid, Stingers were my favorite 22 LR ammo by far. I preferred them over everything else. I have not seen any in many years, thought CCI discontinued them. I just saw some a couple days ago.

friscopaint · 03-04-2021, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wilded

I have lost fox, bobcat and coyote with excellent bullet placement inside of 100 yards with the 17HMR, now use it for coon and down targets. The 22WMR just seems to anchor predators better. JMHO

Same experience with 17

175gr7.62 · 03-04-2021, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by friscopaint

Same experience with 17

Are you shooting the 17gr V-Max or the 20gr Hornady XTP soft point? The V Max blows up. The XTP kills stuff dead.

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arrowsmack324 · 03-04-2021, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SmTx

both rimfire

Derp, I just learned something.

TX03RUBI · 03-04-2021, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 175gr7.62

Are you shooting the 17gr V-Max or the 20gr Hornady XTP soft point? The V Max blows up. The XTP kills stuff dead.

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That’s been my experience as well. I’ve put down a handful of hogs with mine and a lot of smaller game from rabbits to coyotes using the 20 Gr XTP.

wilded · 03-05-2021, 07:08 AM

When I started shooting the 17HMR the 17 grain ballistic tip was all that was available. I have three cases of the stuff and have not shot the 20 grain XTP and with the ammo supplies like they are it will most likely be a while before I try it. Just hate to have to re-sight my rifle each time I change bullets. FYI I went into Academy in Killeen yesterday and they had basically no ammo.

TX03RUBI · 03-05-2021, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wilded

When I started shooting the 17HMR the 17 grain ballistic tip was all that was available. I have three cases of the stuff and have not shot the 20 grain XTP and with the ammo supplies like they are it will most likely be a while before I try it. Just hate to have to re-sight my rifle each time I change bullets. FYI I went into Academy in Killeen yesterday and they had basically no ammo.

I’ve got about 1K rounds of the 17 Vmax and about 1K of the 20 XTP. I shoot them both regularly. My rifle is sighted in with the Vmax, but the 20 XTP shoots within 1/4” at 100 yds. That was good enough to eat hole a few hogs at 140 yds a little while back. I shoot the 17 stuff the most, as most of my shooting is rabbits, fox, etc. It works fine for them. I mostly save the 20 if I know I have a chance at coyotes or hogs, and I just plain enjoy killing hogs with that gun lol

wilded · 03-05-2021, 07:54 AM

I have a custom Ruger 77/17 with a fluted Green Mountain Target Bull barrel and the accuracy is uncanny. I love it for that reason. It is death on prairie dogs, squirrels and rabbits out to 150 yards. I have lost several fox, coyotes and bobcat with good bullet placement that made it to brush when calling at night. The first year I had it I shot a big gobbler at about 75 yards center of the back. Feathers went everywhere but I did not recover the bird. That was when I decided not to use it on anything larger than a coon. I look forward to trying the 20 grain bullets in the future. I have been shooting the 30 grain V max 22 WMR with success on foxes and other predators.

Capp35 · 03-05-2021, 01:45 PM

I have killed plenty of hogs and turkey with my 22 mag. Some a hair passed 100 yards.

Johnson · 03-05-2021, 01:51 PM

I hunt in Mexico. Take two guns for the season. 22Mag and deer rifle. I shoot pigs, javalina, and yotes out to 150 yards with the 22Mag.

Bureau2 · 03-05-2021, 07:26 PM

The 17 is fun to shoot, such a flat shooter. But for animals I prefer the Mag.

MetalMan2004 · 03-05-2021, 08:08 PM

Seems to me that the .17 bullet did its job by dissipating all its energy in the one target. That’s what they’re supposed to do.

Anteloper · 03-05-2021, 08:12 PM

For me it all about the accuracy and shot placement. The 17 HMR is known for its exceptional accuracy.

LivinADream · 03-06-2021, 06:14 AM

I like them both, but the 17 more so for plinking, 22mag for hunting. 17 is much more accurate on paper, but have 0 trouble head shooting rabbits out to 70-80 yards with the mag. That's plenty accurate enough for me. I have anchored quite a few pigs with the 22mag.

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meltingfeather · 03-06-2021, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL

If you are going after pigs and body shots, 22Mag wins that one hands down.

If you are going after pigs with body shots and a .22 you lose.

PIOBill · 03-06-2021, 09:26 AM

I have one of each. Anchored a big coon on the spot with the 22 mag and just took out a squirrel at 35 yards with the 17 HMR. Both DRT so each has a place. Since the two savages are alike I don't even have to think about adjusting from one to the other.

okrattler · 03-06-2021, 11:32 AM

I think the accuracy issues most guys run into with the .22mag has to do with the ammo rather than the gun. Mine is the most accurate with 40 grain bullets. I can put bullets through the mouth of an empty can at 100 yards with those. I've been shooting 30 grain bullets though and they're still capable of hitting a bottle cap at 100 yards.

03-01-2021, 08:53 AM	#1
ttaxidermy Pope & Young Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brazoria county Hunt In: Brady,McCulloch Cnty, Brazoria cnty, South Africa, Namibia Nebraska	22 Mag VS 17 HMR Comparison Light and fast vs heavy and slower. Which has more killing power? This should end that debate forever with these 2 calibers.... https://youtu.be/-0ESeoYkNuY

03-01-2021, 09:50 AM	#6
BrianL Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Paris Hunt In: Lamar and Dickens	17 wins again. I don't want huge penetration on my rimfire, I want all the energy consumed within 1-6 inches and massive bullet expansion/explosion. Most my targets for that gun are 6" or less thick, so penetration past that is just a waste of energy.

03-01-2021, 06:10 PM	#16
okrattler Pope & Young Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Oklahoma Panhandle Hunt In: Oklahoma	I will say that the .17WSM smokes both of them. I've shot coyotes,badgers,skunks,armadillos a grey fox and a beaver and small stuff like prairie dogs with my buddies .17WSM. It'll kill a coyote with a shot to the lungs at 100+ yards. Destroys prairie dogs like they got hit with a centerfire. I've been shooting 20 grain Gamepoints for a while in my .17HMR. Killed a bobcat at 53 yards last week with a shot to the neck. Hit a big raccoon with it the other day and it had enough life left to jump in a well where I couldn't retrieve it. Massive blood loss but lived too long for my liking. Also shot a badger with the same gun,same bullet in the chest at 70 yards and it died far enough down the hole that I couldn't reach it. Tried to fish it out by tangling barbed wire in its fur and dragging him out but was unsuccessful. I know he died but he made it far enough that I couldn't get him. So in my opinion a bullet that fragments is a lot better in the .17HMR because it delivers more hydrostatic shock. The draw back to that is you can't shoot through heavier animals as well and reach vitals. The 20 grain seems like it's good for getting through to the good stuff it just doesn't deliver the amount of hydrostatic shock that a hollowpoint or v-max does. But I haven't tested that particular bullet out on enough big animals to really say how well they do. But based off of the three I've shot recently I haven't been real impressed. The bobcat is the only one that just went straight down and only kicked a few times. All three were good hits and they were confirmed dead. The raccoon and the badger just didn't drop on the spot which I don't like. Last edited by okrattler; 03-01-2021 at 06:16 PM.

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03-01-2021, 09:07 AM	#2
Cliff Dog Four Point Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Big Spring, Texas Hunt In: Irion County	Cool. I like my .22 mag

03-01-2021, 09:10 AM	#3
TX03RUBI Ten Point Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Lubbock Hunt In: Hall County	I don’t see that ends anything. 22 mag penetrates far better. That’s never really been anyone’s argument. They both do a good jobs different aspects, and each will perform differently depending on game, shot placement, and projectile. For many applications I’d rather have a 17HMR. For others I’d rather have a 22 WMR. Both are fun to shoot and hunt with though.

03-01-2021, 09:22 AM	#4
WhiplashTX Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: in a cave with bee's Hunt In: Menard	^ I agree, it's like comparing a 22-250 vs a 308. I was surprised that at a 100 yards the 22 mag almost made it into the 5th jug.

03-01-2021, 09:33 AM	#5
diamond10x Ten Point Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Helotes Hunt In: Kinney and Bexar counties	I love both. My ONLY complaint is the 22 mag just isn’t as accurate as the 17, in my experience.

03-01-2021, 09:55 AM	#9
BrianL Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Paris Hunt In: Lamar and Dickens	If you are going after pigs and body shots, 22Mag wins that one hands down.

03-01-2021, 09:59 AM	#10
wilded Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lampasas,Texas	I have lost fox, bobcat and coyote with excellent bullet placement inside of 100 yards with the 17HMR, now use it for coon and down targets. The 22WMR just seems to anchor predators better. JMHO

03-01-2021, 11:01 AM	#11
Anon Nubbin' Buck Join Date: Feb 2021	Mouse Hunt - Pest Control & Thermal Shooting with a 22LR Lithgow LA101 - YouTube This guy explodes some mice with 22lr, pretty interesting footage thru a thermal...also has videos shooting rabbits with 17hmr and 204 ruger...and even 308 lol always good to have multiple tools

03-01-2021, 12:02 PM	#12
duckmanep Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Northeast TX	still holding out for a 22 WSM someday. until then... sticking with my 17 wsm

03-01-2021, 12:09 PM	#13
Antlers86 Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Athens Hunt In: Jack and Henderson Counties	I love my 17HMR. Groups insanely tight and down right killer! Shot placement is key but that goes for any rifle.

03-01-2021, 04:12 PM	#14
okrattler Pope & Young Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Oklahoma Panhandle Hunt In: Oklahoma	For bigger critters I prefer the .22mag. I've killed a lot with both but a badger is about the biggest animal I'd expect the .17hmr to kill consistently. If I were targeting animals over 15 pounds I'd choose the .22mag and 40 grain JHP's.

03-01-2021, 04:38 PM	#15
muzzlebrake Pope & Young Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Euless, Texas Hunt In: Sterling County	Which one dies quicker. One that is tickled to death or one that is stabbed to death.

03-03-2021, 07:28 PM	#22
TX03RUBI Ten Point Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Lubbock Hunt In: Hall County	The RimX action has tickled my pickle since day one when they announced they’d have a 17 WSM bolt head available for it. I haven’t managed to convince myself to spend the money yet, but one day I will. That thing will be a sweet little Varmint killer. Love the WSM round, but the rifle selection is horrendous. The VQ is the only quality rifle IMO, but I’m just not interested in a SA. If CZ made the 457 in a WSM I’d own one yesterday.

03-03-2021, 08:48 PM	#24
okrattler Pope & Young Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Oklahoma Panhandle Hunt In: Oklahoma	If I wanted to get serious about spending money on a rimfire I'd get a Franklin Armory F17.

03-05-2021, 07:08 AM	#31
wilded Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lampasas,Texas	When I started shooting the 17HMR the 17 grain ballistic tip was all that was available. I have three cases of the stuff and have not shot the 20 grain XTP and with the ammo supplies like they are it will most likely be a while before I try it. Just hate to have to re-sight my rifle each time I change bullets. FYI I went into Academy in Killeen yesterday and they had basically no ammo.

03-05-2021, 07:54 AM	#33
wilded Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lampasas,Texas	I have a custom Ruger 77/17 with a fluted Green Mountain Target Bull barrel and the accuracy is uncanny. I love it for that reason. It is death on prairie dogs, squirrels and rabbits out to 150 yards. I have lost several fox, coyotes and bobcat with good bullet placement that made it to brush when calling at night. The first year I had it I shot a big gobbler at about 75 yards center of the back. Feathers went everywhere but I did not recover the bird. That was when I decided not to use it on anything larger than a coon. I look forward to trying the 20 grain bullets in the future. I have been shooting the 30 grain V max 22 WMR with success on foxes and other predators.

03-05-2021, 01:45 PM	#34
Capp35 Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Cypress, Tx Hunt In: Menard county	I have killed plenty of hogs and turkey with my 22 mag. Some a hair passed 100 yards.

03-05-2021, 01:51 PM	#35
Johnson Four Point Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Caldwell tx Hunt In: Mexico	I hunt in Mexico. Take two guns for the season. 22Mag and deer rifle. I shoot pigs, javalina, and yotes out to 150 yards with the 22Mag.

03-05-2021, 07:26 PM	#36
Bureau2 Six Point Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Corsicana Hunt In: Wilbarger	The 17 is fun to shoot, such a flat shooter. But for animals I prefer the Mag.

03-05-2021, 08:08 PM	#37
MetalMan2004 Eight Point Join Date: Oct 2017	Seems to me that the .17 bullet did its job by dissipating all its energy in the one target. That’s what they’re supposed to do.

03-05-2021, 08:12 PM	#38
Anteloper Six Point Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Wolfforth Hunt In: Texas	For me it all about the accuracy and shot placement. The 17 HMR is known for its exceptional accuracy.

03-06-2021, 06:14 AM	#39
LivinADream Pope & Young Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Winnie TX Hunt In: Winnie, Piqua KS	I like them both, but the 17 more so for plinking, 22mag for hunting. 17 is much more accurate on paper, but have 0 trouble head shooting rabbits out to 70-80 yards with the mag. That's plenty accurate enough for me. I have anchored quite a few pigs with the 22mag. Sent from my motorola one 5G UW using Tapatalk

03-06-2021, 09:26 AM	#41
PIOBill Four Point Join Date: Dec 2013	I have one of each. Anchored a big coon on the spot with the 22 mag and just took out a squirrel at 35 yards with the 17 HMR. Both DRT so each has a place. Since the two savages are alike I don't even have to think about adjusting from one to the other.

03-06-2021, 11:32 AM	#42
okrattler Pope & Young Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Oklahoma Panhandle Hunt In: Oklahoma	I think the accuracy issues most guys run into with the .22mag has to do with the ammo rather than the gun. Mine is the most accurate with 40 grain bullets. I can put bullets through the mouth of an empty can at 100 yards with those. I've been shooting 30 grain bullets though and they're still capable of hitting a bottle cap at 100 yards.