The official 2021 APR TBH special

[DRD]

Originally Posted by Slick8

That's right in line with my plans.

I'm building a 7 SAUM cut for 180 vlds so it's on a long action.
Vx6hd 3-18 at 23 ounces so about the same as the vx5. Could save some weight here but there's a long range performance trade-off plus I already have the scope.
For the 7-08, I'd take a hard look at the 2-12 Vx6hd. If I was after all out weight savings I'd go this route and would have built a short action Sammi spec reamer vs the long throat.
20 moa rail and hawkins rings. Could save 2-3 ounces by ditching the rail and going talley.

I'm estimating 8.5-9 pounds scoped with suppressor and bipod.

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Thinking about the same set up this year. What kind of velocity you hoping to get with the SAUM and the 180’s?

[HUNTIN HARD]

Just got mine ordered!!! This will be my second APR.
6.5PRC 1:8 twist 24” Artic ambush sponge. Can’t wait
Thanks Hunter for answering all my questions.

[Slick8]

Originally Posted by DRD

Thinking about the same set up this year. What kind of velocity you hoping to get with the SAUM and the 180’s?

Some very basic playing around with the numbers say the 180s with with the .195 reamer will be 3.1 inches long. With H1k at 20 inches it's looking like 2750 max in QL but I'm reading about as much as 2850-2900 from others in short barrels. I think this is a little high for the round in a 20 inch barrel so take it with a grain of salt. FWIW, QL states 2865 for a 30 Nos and 230 Berger with 83.6 of H1k. Mine is running at 2975 avg after about 150 rounds on the Muller barrel.

I generally approach these builds with a goal in mind factoring this bullet / velocity goal when selecting barrel length or cartridge. This build was planned at 18-22 inches from the start with a short mag variant in mind. I knew going in this wouldn't be a speed demon.

For me it was a 6.5 or 7 mm VLD that would be good for 600 yards at sea level with a minimum impact velocity of 1800 fps.

Per the Berger site, 2650 fps at 100 asl will get me to 775 yards which exceeds the goal.

I considered the WSM line and the Sherman shorts but kept going back to the SAUM due to top quality brass, dies and it's accuracy reputation combined.

[txagyotebuster]

Order is in.
Option 1
20" 7mm08 1/9 twist

[Headhunter]

Order is in
280ai Sammi
25”
1-9 twist

[knash]

Order is in
6.5 PRC 24" LA 8 twist
Hoping to get ammo components before the rifle arrives!

[Buzzsaw]

Order in

[CastAndBlast]

Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

Order in

What did you do?

[T Bone]

Order is in, Option 1 in 6.5prc/LA.. Went by the shop this morning & had a great visit with Garrett. Buzz, thanks for the guidance-

[Buzzsaw]

Originally Posted by CastAndBlast

What did you do?

I kinda went out of the box and ordered a rifle not included in the TBH buy. Needed a heavy gun , mcMillan stock, all different components.

Think i'll keep this one forever

Now ya'll go buy my Volquartsen .22lr's I have for sale. I need the $$ to pay for this beast

[meltingfeather]

Is the 260 AI rendered irrelevant by the PRC?

Huge fan of the 7mm-08 but interested in a little more niche cartridge for reloading.
7mm-08 AI
260 AI
or just go straight 7mm-08 or 6.5 PRC?

[sierracharlie338]

Originally Posted by meltingfeather

Is the 260 AI rendered irrelevant by the PRC?

Huge fan of the 7mm-08 but interested in a little more niche cartridge for reloading.
7mm-08 AI
260 AI
or just go straight 7mm-08 or 6.5 PRC?

I would say it depends on your situation. If your already geared for 260 with dies, brass and such go with the AI since those things are so hard to find. If starting from scratch PRC might be the choice.

Personally I really like the thought of a 7-08AI and it will be one of my next builds. Plus you can shoot factory ammo out of it in a pinch with still good performance.


Sierracharlie out....

[H-D]

Placed my order on Friday.
Went with option 1 in a 260ai 22" barrel.
Love the fact that Lapua brass is currently in stock in most places.

[bmac]

18” 7mm-08 1:9 Option 1. Would have loved to get option 2 folder, but after handling there was a few things that I knew I would not care for quickly.


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[meltingfeather]

Originally Posted by bmac

18” 7mm-08 1:9 Option 1. Would have loved to get option 2 folder, but after handling there was a few things that I knew I would not care for quickly.

Such as?

Originally Posted by sierracharlie338

I would say it depends on your situation. If your already geared for 260 with dies, brass and such go with the AI since those things are so hard to find. If starting from scratch PRC might be the choice.

Personally I really like the thought of a 7-08AI and it will be one of my next builds. Plus you can shoot factory ammo out of it in a pinch with still good performance.


Sierracharlie out....

Interesting... no 260 dies. I’m currently set up for straight 7mm-08, so I could adapt with one additional die pretty easily.

[jeffpg]

Originally Posted by bmac

18” 7mm-08 1:9 Option 1. Would have loved to get option 2 folder, but after handling there was a few things that I knew I would not care for quickly.


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I guess I'm the opposite...
I was all in on this option 2 folder from the gitgo until 2 things happened....

First, the voting thread pretty much killed the possibility in my mind of this getting off the ground, and secondly I built a nice little folding stocked TC Encore in a 7mm 08 with a 20" threaded barrel that isn't nearly in the same class as this one here but it took the edge off of my urge to scratch that itch. So I was content to go with option 1, which in my opinion is likely the sweetest group build rifle yet anyway.

Then, I made the mistake of picking up the sample lightweight Shorty folder in the shop at APR and daaauuummmnnn!!
I liked it so much that I immediately decided that I didn't really need that $3,495
(plus scope & rings)
(plus the option 1 build, with scope & rings)
(plus more ammo etc.etc.etc.)

Sweet azz custom rifle collecting is a helluva drug! 🤣😎

[sierracharlie338]

Originally Posted by meltingfeather

Interesting... no 260 dies. I’m currently set up for straight 7mm-08, so I could adapt with one additional die pretty easily.

I’m not certain the bullet seating due would be usable due to the shoulder profile change but worst case scenario would be a set of dies and you’re ready to roll.



Sierracharlie out....

[Buzzsaw]

Originally Posted by jeffpg

I guess I'm the opposite...
I was all in on this option 2 folder from the gitgo until 2 things happened....

First, the voting thread pretty much killed the possibility in my mind of this getting off the ground, and secondly I built a nice little folding stocked TC Encore in a 7mm 08 with a 20" threaded barrel that isn't nearly in the same class as this one here but it took the edge off of my urge to scratch that itch. So I was content to go with option 1, which in my opinion is likely the sweetest group build rifle yet anyway.

Then, I made the mistake of picking up the sample lightweight Shorty folder in the shop at APR and daaauuummmnnn!!
I liked it so much that I immediately decided that I didn't really need that $3,495
(plus scope & rings)
(plus the option 1 build, with scope & rings)
(plus more ammo etc.etc.etc.)

Sweet azz custom rifle collecting is a helluva drug! 🤣😎

[bmac]

Originally Posted by meltingfeather

Such as?
.

For me the check weld seemed high and likely not work with a low scope, and the takedown pin protruded and rested in the meat between my thumb and pointer. Maybe just how I gripped or my extra large hands but enough for me to pass and go option 1.


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[meltingfeather]

Originally Posted by bmac

For me the check weld seemed high and likely not work with a low scope, and the takedown pin protruded and rested in the meat between my thumb and pointer. Maybe just how I gripped or my extra large hands but enough for me to pass and go option 1.


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GTK thanks

[mev002]

Got my order in. 6.5 PRC option 1

[meltingfeather]

In under the wire!
Option 1 in 7mm-08
18" 1:9 barrel
Stoked!

[sierracharlie338]

Originally Posted by meltingfeather

In under the wire!
Option 1 in 7mm-08
18" 1:9 barrel
Stoked!

Very nice. That will be a slick set up.


Sierracharlie out....

[meltingfeather]

Originally Posted by sierracharlie338

Very nice. That will be a slick set up.


Sierracharlie out....

I’m excited! I’m actually going to gain weight over my current rifle in this slot, but the stoke will make my load lighter.
I currently pack a Kimber Adirondack that is under 5 lbs. w/out the scope. It may be hitting the classifieds.

[Slick8]

I have brass, bullets, dies, primers and powder ready to go.

So the wait begins.

Good thing I have two other rifles that need a little tuning.

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[gfulton]

How many orders did you get Robert? Sorry if you already mentioned it.

[sierracharlie338]

Originally Posted by meltingfeather

I’m excited! I’m actually going to gain weight over my current rifle in this slot, but the stoke will make my load lighter.
I currently pack a Kimber Adirondack that is under 5 lbs. w/out the scope. It may be hitting the classifieds.

You might not want to pick up any other rifle you own after you play with the new one.


Sierracharlie out....

[Hunter X]

Thank you again APR for doing this. I ordered the #1 in 6.5 PRC with Kryptek Altitude Reduced Camo. I can’t wait to get it out on an Elk hunt.

My question is about ring height. With the Leupold VX-5 HD in 3x15-44, (30mm) can I use Warne Mountain Rings in Low height or do I need Medium? What do you all recommend? Is there really any reason to go to the Leupold VX-6HD, other than the slightly larger range 3x18, vs. 3x15?

Thanks!!

[bmac]

Originally Posted by Hunter X

Thank you again APR for doing this. I ordered the #1 in 6.5 PRC with Kryptek Altitude Reduced Camo. I can’t wait to get it out on an Elk hunt.

My question is about ring height. With the Leupold VX-5 HD in 3x15-44, (30mm) can I use Warne Mountain Rings in Low height or do I need Medium? What do you all recommend? Is there really any reason to go to the Leupold VX-6HD, other than the slightly larger range 3x18, vs. 3x15?

Thanks!!

Not sure how the Warne rings are but on last years build the seekins 34mm low rings cleared a vx6-hd 4-24x52. Taking of rail might change that but I always start with lows and pray. As for the 6-hd you also get a locking windage which can be useful if you dope a lot and the aluminum scope caps which are nice. I would look for the clearance ones which brings them to 5-hd prices. I picked up 6-hd 3-18x44 tmoa a few years back for $850


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[Hunter X]

Thanks BMAC. $850 is a smoking hot deal wow! I appreciate the feedback.