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Old 01-09-2019, 01:18 PM   #101
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if hunting was not in the equation and herds of deer were tearing up your yard, IN SAID NEIGHBORHOOD, do you and the other property owners have the right to determine what how the deer are removed?
Actually no. TPWD has to determine this as they have in this instance. I and others disagree.
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Actually no. TPWD has to determine this as they have in this instance. I and others disagree.
Are you a wildlife biologist? Serious question.
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Are you a wildlife biologist? Serious question.
No, but I can recognize malnourished or deformed deer. We donít have any of these.
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I think trapping them is also a waste of money. Bow hunting is about the worst way to control population. Best way is to have a professional shooter come in and do his job with direction from biologist. Iím sure there are a lot of us here that claim to know a better way than the biologist. Heck Iíve been hunting and around deer for almost 50 years. That 30 year old that went to A&M and actually studied browse and carrying capacity from scientific data canít know better than most of usseld proclaimed experts
They did the "professional shooter" thing a few years back. They were to kill 40. Ended up killing 10 or 12 and wounding a bunch. Jaws shot off and crap like that.
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:30 PM   #105
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So in your mind, the homeowners can determine what should be done with deer that free range on the surrounding properties. ?
Whether you feed them or not it's not going to matter. When I lived in San Angelo the deer ran in gangs of 20 does or more through subdivisions, in town. They ate all of my shrubs down to the ground, literally. Ate my neighbors grass all up. Nobody was feeding them either.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many ďbrainiacsĒ there are on a given subject when they are not even actually involved in the matter PERSONALLY. I understand where some of yíall are coming from with your rebuts to what Richard is ďwishing forĒ in his plan. But Iím definitely with him on this ON THE WAY THEY ARE GOING ABOUT IT! Lowfence is spot on as well! The homeowners not feeding would do WONDERS for this prob! Iíve been to Richards bow shop many times over the years, and heís a standup guy. With that being said, he prob wouldnít necessarily know me if he saw me, so donít misconstrue this into Iím his BFF with blinders on taking up for him. BUT I DO AGREE with him! Some of yíall are saying ďohhh, youíre just peed off cuz itís gonna make your hunting not as good...Ē Maybe he is? But who wouldnít be if youíve lived there forever and have a good hunting spot?? And as for the ďmaybe you need to concentrate more on making your place better...Ē I donít know this, but would imagine he prob has been for years. And no, I donít have a dog in this fight, but I live bout 10 mins up the road, and I know that good deer hunting spots are hard to come by! And ya dang sure better fight tooth and nail to keep it if you have one! Good Huntin, and God Bless, Rusty
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Maybe let the professionals decided the best course of action to take?
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Maybe let the professionals decided the best course of action to take?
If you think that would be any TPWD biologist in this area ( honestly donít know if thatís what you meant) Iím laughing with tears in my eyes
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It never ceases to amaze me how many ďbrainiacsĒ there are on a given subject when they are not even actually involved in the matter PERSONALLY. I understand where some of yíall are coming from with your rebuts to what Richard is ďwishing forĒ in his plan. But Iím definitely with him on this ON THE WAY THEY ARE GOING ABOUT IT! Lowfence is spot on as well! The homeowners not feeding would do WONDERS for this prob! Iíve been to Richards bow shop many times over the years, and heís a standup guy. With that being said, he prob wouldnít necessarily know me if he saw me, so donít misconstrue this into Iím his BFF with blinders on taking up for him. BUT I DO AGREE with him! Some of yíall are saying ďohhh, youíre just peed off cuz itís gonna make your hunting not as good...Ē Maybe he is? But who wouldnít be if youíve lived there forever and have a good hunting spot?? And as for the ďmaybe you need to concentrate more on making your place better...Ē I donít know this, but would imagine he prob has been for years. And no, I donít have a dog in this fight, but I live bout 10 mins up the road, and I know that good deer hunting spots are hard to come by! And ya dang sure better fight tooth and nail to keep it if you have one! Good Huntin, and God Bless, Rusty
His hunting spot is good because they're feeding the deer. Why is that so hard to grasp? He has a good hunting spot because they're feeding the deer, not because he just lucked into some magic honeyhole. If the deer herd is negatively impacting their neighborhood, they have every right to do something about it.

He'll still have far better hunting than he would have if they had never fed the deer to begin with, and I'm certain they'll keep right on feeding and the herd will blow right back up in a couple years.
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I would venture to guess almost 100% of us on this thread are not qualified to tell if deer are healthy. I think thatís why big ranches and people who make a good living in the deer business hire those folks that spend years of their lives studying habitat and critters at A&M. It has a lot more to do than looking at deer to evaluate health.
Face it. We are hunters. Think deer need to be controlled by hunting them. We all get mad at ďwastedĒ hunting opportunities. Sure Rocky I understand your stance- But is there anything other than emotions involved in your stance? Probably not. Trust me. Itís understandable but probably not the best for getting the problem solved.

I got paid to actually escort a professional shooter for a night. I guarantee no critters walked around with jaw or any problems. He hit every one of them in same spot shooting I think 70 or 77 grain 22 LR. He had the gun made for that bullet and he had ice water running through his veins. Shot on top of a Suburban with a shooting station on top. All shots were probably closer than 50 yards. He was not a self proclaimed professional shooter. Real deal that does it for International Airports
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https://www.facebook.com/26973542041...1353835915416/

Here is a link to the one sided story.
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And as far as folks feeding deer. Folks that live near me feed the deer by the street. Last 3 years my wife has killed 3. Her car is in body shop right now. I agree she should learn to drive but at 50 not much gonna change. Next year I will drop the deer population by 20 or 30. I’ve talked to the folks 3 or 4 times and he said his wife likes watching them. There are 4 of us and my kids are teenagers so they have plenty of friends. Gonna set up a feeder and shotgun stand and let them burn tags. I’m sure some guys that hunt won’t like it but they don’t pay my taxes or collision bills
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And as far as folks feeding deer. Folks that live near me feed the deer by the street. Last 3 years my wife has killed 3. Her car is in body shop right now. I agree she should learn to drive but at 50 not much gonna change. Next year I will drop the deer population by 20 or 30. Iíve talked to the folks 3 or 4 times and he said his wife likes watching them. There are 4 of us and my kids are teenagers so they have plenty of friends. Gonna set up a feeder and shotgun stand and let them burn tags. Iím sure some guys that hunt wonít like it but they donít pay my taxes or collision bills
... you mean your gonna hunt them? And use a state resource that you pay for?...... during hunting season

Crazy concept, hope it works out
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:13 PM   #114
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I don’t have a choice. It would be much easier if the folks didn’t feed the deer. I ain’t hunting them. They are neighborhood deer like these being talked about but I’m in county. I’m about same as Rocky. They have put neighborhoods around me. I may just elevate a shotgun stand and rattle a coffee can with corn and let the kids shoot all they have tags for. Trust me be much easier if someone would just trap what comes to her yard
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:33 PM   #115
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I hear what you’re saying BitBack, but, I think the more accurate way to describe it would be his 15 acres has been made “better” by the folks constantly feeding the deer. “Better” in the fact that I’m sure numbers have grown over the years thusly most likely producing more activity/deer sightings while hunting. But his place would still be good without the feeding, I can assure you that. The area had good numbers and antler quality BEFORE there was even such a thing as “Lands End”. As is the usual with a situation like this, there is no cure all that all will be in agreement with most likely. As far as being able to “grasp” it, I do... totally. Just ain’t sure this is all being gone about in the right way. On the same hand, I have a hard time telling Rocky that he’s not correct in his thinking. This is near and dear to his heart, and he obviously has tried several times over the years to help with a solution. It would also be hard for me to direct you in the goings on of your hunting area never having seen it in my life. It would prob work better, that if they’re not going to allow a controlled type bowhunt or something, to just make the landowners quit feeding, give it time and nature will right the ship. Good Huntin, and God Bless, Rusty
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:44 PM   #116
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Golf courses are deer magnets. It's the type of grass on the fairways and greens that draw the deer in. If your food plots were planted in Tiff then you would have more deer than your could ever shoot

Ok, I'm outta here
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Are some of you liberals?

Rocky - This sucks man, hopefully some sort of agreement can be made in the future that helps everyone out. Good luck.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:05 PM   #118
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Golf courses are deer magnets. It's the type of grass on the fairways and greens that draw the deer in. If your food plots were planted in Tiff then you would have more deer than your could ever shoot

Ok, I'm outta here
Actually, the golf course is suffering very little damage by the deer, and arenít having much to do with this. Homeowners with 1-2 acres are the main influence.
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Rocky - This sucks man, hopefully some sort of agreement can be made in the future that helps everyone out. Good luck.
Funny how a ďfood stampĒ environment with open boarders donít work well in any environment
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There ya go LowFence! Good luck Richard, hope it all works out! Good Huntin, and God Bless, Rusty
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Feeding and baiting are two different things. Providing more food (feeding) for the deer may improve the population. Baiting deer concentrates those in a given area but doesn't increase the population. Rocky's situation is that the deer numbers have not necessarily increased in the area, they are just concentrated at the golf course now. How would you feel if the neighbor at your lease fed heavily because they could afford it, pulled deer in from the surrounding areas including your lease, then got TPWD involved to say they could kill whatever they want to get the numbers back down on "their place" to "normal" numbers?
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Game Warden buddy stoped by the house this evening after having to deal with homeowners st Land’s End that are infuriated by this trapping program. He simply has to tell them that permits were issued and everything is legit. Seems like a group of landowners sort of railroaded this through without complete transparency to others. Pretty ugly deal right now.
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They need to net and remove all those ditch pickles in the lake! They eat up the crappie!! Maybe I need to attend a HOA meeting!!


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This is an interesting topic for sure. I don't have a dog in this fight.

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Old 01-09-2019, 08:36 PM   #127
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I think there are some in LE that need to be netted and removed.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:39 PM   #128
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Game Warden buddy stoped by the house this evening after having to deal with homeowners st Landís End that are infuriated by this trapping program. He simply has to tell them that permits were issued and everything is legit. Seems like a group of landowners sort of railroaded this through without complete transparency to others. Pretty ugly deal right now.
Wow that's crazy! This is just as bad as the idiots that hunt across my fence line and there's not a **** thing I can do about it. I feel for you Richard. Seems like there's several on here that don't though. They must have good high fences to be all happy about. 👍
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:49 PM   #129
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If you care as much as it appears, the only hail Mary I can think of is to video the trapping and follow them to the slaughter house. Post the video and get peta or some other hippies involved to protest. They prevented those wild mustang's from being rounded up didn't they?

Also maybe you could use a FOIA request to get the biologist reports and surveys, counts etc. Maybe can poke holes that they have not adequately assessed there is a population concern or health risk posed to the deer.
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It will be restricted access I’m sure..... and I’m sure they know him

Don’t know what was done today, heard 24ish netted yesterday with some fatalities. But I can’t confirm anything
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I need to make a list and when some of you start complaining about the neighbors killing too many deer, shooting 3.5yo 8's with 13.5" spread I can point you back to this thread and tell you karma is a *****

Should be a state law that if you live in a subdivision with lots less than 10ac you cannot feed anything but birds

That would stop a bunch of these types of situations from ever getting to the point this has gotten to
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I need to make a list and when some of you start complaining about the neighbors killing too many deer, shooting 3.5yo 8's with 13.5" spread I can point you back to this thread and tell you karma is a *****

Should be a state law that if you live in a subdivision with lots less than 10ac you cannot feed anything but birds

That would stop a bunch of these types of situations from ever getting to the point this has gotten to
I was thinking about all the neighbor rants on TBH earlier today.
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It will be restricted access Iím sure..... and Iím sure they know him

Donít know what was done today, heard 24ish netted yesterday with some fatalities. But I canít confirm anything
Last I heard was 24 caught Sunday, and 3 caught today. Maybe this trapper didnít get something right. Iíve been told that the contract was $ 20,000 to show, and $ 250 per deer caught. 4 net drops or 100 deer, whichever comes first.
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Did you ever talk to the news station? If so, how did it go?
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Feeding and baiting are two different things. Providing more food (feeding) for the deer may improve the population. Baiting deer concentrates those in a given area but doesn't increase the population. Rocky's situation is that the deer numbers have not necessarily increased in the area, they are just concentrated at the golf course now. How would you feel if the neighbor at your lease fed heavily because they could afford it, pulled deer in from the surrounding areas including your lease, then got TPWD involved to say they could kill whatever they want to get the numbers back down on "their place" to "normal" numbers?
Isnt that what the MLD program is all about?
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Did you ever talk to the news station? If so, how did it go?
Last night I sent an email regarding the one-sided story, and he emailed me back that he would contact me today. Crickets. I don’t think I was the only one that contacted him after the story aired. I think this thing has blown up.
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The State claims they own the deer that were here before it was a state. When there considered a nuicanse they just slaughter them? How does that benefit the population? I guess putting an antler restriction on bucks that eat better than trophy's is the answer to regulating the population. The older I get the less I could care about the size of antlers. Trying to get my son on his first buck was **** near impossible! He has lost interest in hunting with all the regulations. When I grew up a buck tag was meant to be used on what you considered a trophy! There has to be a better way to manage the population other than size of antlers! Sorry if I got side tracked, just don't agree with the way things are going for our future generations of hunters!
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Ask anyone that knows me. I’m not crazy about neighborhoods everywhere except when I throw a for sale sign on it. I would imagine Rocky is in same boat I am. Neighborhoods attract all kinds. I bet there are plenty of folks that feed deer and then the guy next door that has a yard and $20k in landscaping destroyed. But also I’m big on land owner rights and will let about anyone stop by and kill a deer that is a kid. I’ve given up on peaches and a garden because of the deer.
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Was interviewed by KLTV reporter today.

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Don’t know how to post link to interview by KLTV done by Blake Holland from KLTV.
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Attaboy, Richard!
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��. How they don’t understand this blows my mind
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:08 PM   #145
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I’m just curious why so many folks think they’re smarter than a biologist who’s entire life revolves around the betterment of wildlife and the ecosystem as a whole?
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Some of you guys criticizing Rockyís view would feel the exact same way if this were happening near your land.
Exactly.. I know that I would be some kind of freek'in PO'ed too...
Ive never been ANYWHERE in East Texas that had a overpopulation of deer.. At least to the point of them being a problem... Sounds like some BS to me..
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Another thing.. If you don't like deer and consider them a nuisance then stay your azz in town, off of their home turf.... Us country folk like them.. Humans can screw up anything.. Unbelievable..
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:48 PM   #149
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Iím just curious why so many folks think theyíre smarter than a biologist whoís entire life revolves around the betterment of wildlife and the ecosystem as a whole?
Yeah really. I'm sure they will only kill bucks with a 13" or greater spread, because those are the only bucks needed to be removed from the herd.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:55 PM   #150
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Iím just curious why so many folks think theyíre smarter than a biologist whoís entire life revolves around the betterment of wildlife and the ecosystem as a whole?
Keep in mind that local biologist have to deal with landowners that donít understand biology or wildlife. In lots of cases, itís easier for them to capitulate to the landowners so that their jobs advance with as little major controversy as they can avoid. I think TPWD does a good job, but in some cases they have to cave and keep the masses appeased to avoid a major issue down the road. Iím one of few that will call them out, and try to make others voice their opinions. Sometimes Iím wrong, but sometimes I present opinions that are shared by others that prefer to stay silent to avoid conflict.
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