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Old 11-18-2019, 12:01 PM   #1
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Next to my families LF ranch is a HF place that I assume is a breeding operation for exotics. His place is about 40ac with multiple pens for Rams, Blackbuck, Fallow, Axis, Oryx, I've even seen a cape buffalo.

Well over the weekend someone cut a few holes in his fences and killed a $40k Ram and a few other animals got out.

He told our ranch manager that if we see any of his animals to give him a call so they can try to re-capture the animal.

Has anyone ever been successful in re-capturing lost exotics?

This is in East Texas so very few HF places but lots of trigger happy hunters.

Would you shoot an exotic if you saw it or call the neighbor?
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:10 PM   #2
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Knowing everything you listed (knowing where it most likely came from, the exotics are lose because some jackass cut holes in his fence, and being a neighbor), I would call to let them know you've located an escaped animal.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:10 PM   #3
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It happened to a big time guy in Kerrville one time, he got majority of them caught and back on his place

I guess technically speaking they’re livestock and he owns them, but I think he’d have to have them eat tagged to prove it
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:10 PM   #4
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if i knew there was a HF operation in the area i would for sure try to reach out. at the end of the day those animals are those peoples means of bread bringing for their families. now if i have zero knowledge of any HF ranch or breeding operation in my area then arrows are flying at an exoctic.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:10 PM   #5
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If I knew they were his and that he had some get out, I would absolutely call him to come recover his animals. What would you want him to do if they were your animals?
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You do the right thing and call your neighbor if you see an exotic.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:17 PM   #7
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I'm curious what a $40k ram looks like.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:23 PM   #8
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Knowing everything you listed (knowing where it most likely came from, the exotics are lose because some jackass cut holes in his fence, and being a neighbor), I would call to let them know you've located an escaped animal.
X2.
And the only way a ram is worth 40k is if the double wide trailer in the front of the pasture comes with it
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:23 PM   #9
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I'm curious what a $40k ram looks like.
I am too.

I have always been told to shoot one if you see it because catching them again is next to impossible but after hearing about others success stories my mind is changed.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:27 PM   #10
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If I knew they were his and that he had some get out, I would absolutely call him to come recover his animals. What would you want him to do if they were your animals?
There isn't another HF super close to us so it would most likely be his.

If they were mine I would absolutely want them back, if it was possible to recapture. But it sounds like recapturing them isn't as impossible as I thought.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:30 PM   #11
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On a side note...my cousin just got burned this summer. He contacted the owner of a well known HF ranch closes to his place about a Red deer that got out. Owner came out, darted him, put him in his HF and told him thanks. Then word got back to my cousin that the HF owner was later bragging in town that he never even had Red deer in his place...that will be his last phone call
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:32 PM   #12
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Helicopter and a net cannon is how they catch them to sell around here.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:32 PM   #13
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Based on your location and proximity to the hf, you have a really good idea whose animal it is if you see it. But in much of SW Texas (and other places), there are all sorts of free ranging exotics. They could have escaped a hf the day before or been feral all their life.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:34 PM   #14
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I would suspect Libs cut the fence to free the critters, could be wrong but it happens.
If someone does not know the exotic came from a local hf they will shoot whatever they see. If they get the word out to the local community it will change some minds but not all.
I built traps and one was to allow those animals to come back to the hole in the fence to the area they felt secure in and knew where the food was. You just can't fix the hole.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:38 PM   #15
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$40k ram must a be 4 door 4x4 loaded!
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:57 PM   #16
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Yes they can be trapped. Need a big pen trap specific for exotics typically.

Not sure why this is even a question if you know who the animals belong to?
If your neighbors cows got out what would you do? How about your neighbors dog?
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:05 PM   #17
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You do the right thing and call your neighbor if you see an exotic.
What he said, “Just do the right thing.”
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:08 PM   #18
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And maybe the estimate of $40K for a ram is what he is telling the insurance. wink wink Assuming you can insure against this type of loss.
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:10 PM   #19
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Is that Ram 4x4 with a Cummings?
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:13 PM   #20
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I'd suspect that a 40 acre breeding facility won't house very wild animals. I bet he'll be able to get them back in there as long as nobody shoots them.
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:37 PM   #21
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I'd suspect that a 40 acre breeding facility won't house very wild animals. I bet he'll be able to get them back in there as long as nobody shoots them.
But if he doesn't shoot them..... the neighbor will...... LOL
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:41 PM   #22
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They can be caught but it isn't easy. If mine got out I would hope my neighbors would be good people and call me but I would expect my animals would be shot and it would be totally legal.
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:43 PM   #23
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Exactly lol
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:57 PM   #24
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They can be caught, netted, or darted. I would not shoot one in this case. They belong to someone.
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Old 11-18-2019, 02:49 PM   #25
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I'm guessing he looks like That's what he claimed on insurance.
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Old 11-18-2019, 02:56 PM   #26
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Yup my thoughts.
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Old 11-18-2019, 02:58 PM   #27
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I personally don't have time to go down and look for them any time soon but our ranch hands are on the lookout.
Hopefully he can get back what he lost and the GW can catch the poacher
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Old 11-18-2019, 03:05 PM   #28
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I'd did this several years ago. After trying to catch it for about 2 months the neighbor said to shoot him if I get the chance. Took 14 months to get a chance to kill him but did so with a clear conscious.
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Old 11-18-2019, 03:57 PM   #29
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Knowing everything you listed (knowing where it most likely came from, the exotics are lose because some jackass cut holes in his fence, and being a neighbor), I would call to let them know you've located an escaped animal.
Ditto.

But, if I am sitting in my office and watch a big axis buck jump into my horse pasture....
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Old 11-18-2019, 04:22 PM   #30
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It has four wheels, wide mirrors, and a missing dash board.....
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Old 11-18-2019, 04:28 PM   #31
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Next to my families LF ranch is a HF place that I assume is a breeding operation for exotics. His place is about 40ac with multiple pens for Rams, Blackbuck, Fallow, Axis, Oryx, I've even seen a cape buffalo.

Well over the weekend someone cut a few holes in his fences and killed a $40k Ram and a few other animals got out.

He told our ranch manager that if we see any of his animals to give him a call so they can try to re-capture the animal.

Has anyone ever been successful in re-capturing lost exotics?

This is in East Texas so very few HF places but lots of trigger happy hunters.

Would you shoot an exotic if you saw it or call the neighbor?
That's no good to hear... hopefully that poacher is a ding like most and starts bragging to buddies and it / pics ends up on the social innerweb.... if I saw an exotic on my place I would shoot. However if I knew of the recent escapees and where they came from that would be different.

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Old 11-18-2019, 04:34 PM   #32
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I would let him know if I saw any of them.
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Old 11-18-2019, 05:26 PM   #33
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if i knew there was a HF operation in the area i would for sure try to reach out. at the end of the day those animals are those peoples means of bread bringing for their families. now if i have zero knowledge of any HF ranch or breeding operation in my area then arrows are flying at an exoctic.
This. If you knew where they came from, try and make contact with owners. If they wander up from some place and no idea where they came from, enjoy! An axis is a little different then a Bongo though.....if a cape buffalo walked out while hunting, I think I would call for a ride back to the house.
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Old 11-18-2019, 05:52 PM   #34
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Probably a urial, a markhor, or a ibex.
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:30 PM   #35
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Probably a urial, a markhor, or a ibex.
Or a giant Transcaspian Urial...
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:41 PM   #36
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If they are tagged are branded they are the same as livestock . You have to let the owner know and try to get them back on his place if you shoot them with a tag you will get a stiff little fine along with some other court cost .
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:41 PM   #37
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Knowing everything you listed (knowing where it most likely came from, the exotics are lose because some jackass cut holes in his fence, and being a neighbor), I would call to let them know you've located an escaped animal.
X3.5...ish?

Good neighbor policy engaged.

40 acre HF exotic farming has got to be intense management and very costly for maintenance. Especially with Aholes cutting fence holes and stealing produce. Dang!
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:38 AM   #38
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X3.5...ish?

Good neighbor policy engaged.

40 acre HF exotic farming has got to be intense management and very costly for maintenance. Especially with Aholes cutting fence holes and stealing produce. Dang!
Yea his place is pretty new too. I feel bad for the guy.

He has had the perimeter fence up for about 6-7 years and this year added more interior fences to separate some animals apart.

He has put a ton of money into it and then this happens
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Update***

They have found and recaptured 15 goats but his two big breeders are still missing. He is assuming they were what was killed and drug out.
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:10 PM   #40
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$40,000 Ram, I for sure would like to see that!!!!!!!!! Sounds like a tax write off to me
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:16 PM   #41
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How long is a reasonable time frame for the owner to catch them?
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:30 PM   #42
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How long is a reasonable time frame for the owner to catch them?
Let them start a good herd and get the numbers up.
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Old 12-03-2019, 04:32 PM   #43
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Where was the pen located on the property? Not that it makes a big difference. Reason I ask is right outside Jacksboro at 281/114 someone has a few breeding pens RIGHT on the highway. Didn't get a good look but saw a pen of Fallow and a WT pen with a 200"+ breeder buck. Cant imagine the anxiety I would constantly have if that was my setup...
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$40,000 Ram, I for sure would like to see that!!!!!!!!! Sounds like a tax write off to me
Can't think of any ram that would run that much.
Maybe a absolutely insane Markor?

OP- Glad he was able to recover some critters.
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Old 12-03-2019, 04:41 PM   #45
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If they are tagged are branded they are the same as livestock . You have to let the owner know and try to get them back on his place if you shoot them with a tag you will get a stiff little fine along with some other court cost .
^ This. If he spent all that money building fences and pens, surely he spent the little extra to ear tag them. The law states that if they are conspicuously tagged you have to inform the authorities and cannot shoot. If they weren't important enough to tag...
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Old 12-03-2019, 04:43 PM   #46
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I'm curious what a $40k ram looks like.
A trophy big horn sheep hunt in Sonora Mexico is 60k.
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Old 12-03-2019, 04:57 PM   #47
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On a side note...my cousin just got burned this summer. He contacted the owner of a well known HF ranch closes to his place about a Red deer that got out. Owner came out, darted him, put him in his HF and told him thanks. Then word got back to my cousin that the HF owner was later bragging in town that he never even had Red deer in his place...that will be his last phone call
^ And this is why you look for the tag!
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:00 PM   #48
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surprised the ram wasn't found right outside the fence broken down
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:00 PM   #49
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A trophy big horn sheep hunt in Sonora Mexico is 60k.
I'm fairly certain a big horn or any other dream sheep is not what is being referred too in this story

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Old 12-03-2019, 05:07 PM   #50
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I'm fairly certain a big horn or any other dream sheep is what is being referred too in this story
Can you buy big horns? I was under the assumption they could not be live-sold. Of course, you know what they say about assumptions.
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