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Old 02-24-2021, 10:56 AM   #1
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Looking at buying a new SxS from a local dealership. Never bought one before not even used. Heck Iíve never even bought a 4 wheeler new either. They added a lot of extra fees to the sales price and the amount seemed a bit excessive.
Assembly: $389
VIT: $21
Tax: $1015
Reg/Doc: $158
Freight: $750
Total: $2333

Does that seem about right or a bit high? This was for. Ranger 1000 that was on the lot. Not a special order or anything.
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Old 02-24-2021, 10:59 AM   #2
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Assembly? Doesnt it come assembled from the factory?
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Old 02-24-2021, 10:59 AM   #3
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I think it is a way for them to make their money back after they "discount" the price. I tell them that they can get rid of the fees or I walk. If they are willing to lose a $10-$15k sale over $2k in BS fees, they can pound sand. I can find another side by side elsewhere. Just my personal opinion.
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Old 02-24-2021, 10:59 AM   #4
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Everything is negotiable. I would reach out to Justin Spies from Lufkin Powersports on here
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Old 02-24-2021, 11:01 AM   #5
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U can get one out of state and avoid the tax. Or use ag exempt purposes. Try to negotiate w em? I bought a new 1k polaris highlifter back in 17. Its been a really good machine
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Old 02-24-2021, 11:03 AM   #6
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They do have to assemble them. They come in giant crates.
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Old 02-24-2021, 11:21 AM   #7
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Try to find a good deal on used. These things have become heinously overpriced IMO.
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Old 02-24-2021, 11:26 AM   #8
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They do have to assemble them. They come in giant crates.
Telling me more! Is uncrating and removing all the protective plastic and such considered assembly? Do they have to put the tires on the vehicle? Maybe add fluids? Trying to think what else wouldnt come assembled from the factory.
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Old 02-24-2021, 11:41 AM   #9
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I would just do the same thing I do when buying a vehicle...Tell them I'm willing to pay $X. However you want to get there is up to you.
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Old 02-24-2021, 12:06 PM   #10
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You can choose not to pay them. I bet they reduce price.

They are not selling a unique product,,,,,,shop,,,,,wait if you have to for someone to get one in stock that they wont charge crazy add on fees.
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Old 02-24-2021, 12:19 PM   #11
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It may be different now, but when I bought my son's SxS several months ago, no one was budging off sticker or the fees.
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Old 02-24-2021, 12:23 PM   #12
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I know with kubota they come needing some kind of assembly. Mostly rollbars and seats on the 4 seaters. Just rollbars and other models.
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Old 02-24-2021, 12:29 PM   #13
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Telling me more! Is uncrating and removing all the protective plastic and such considered assembly? Do they have to put the tires on the vehicle? Maybe add fluids? Trying to think what else wouldnt come assembled from the factory.
There are several hours of assembly, I waited/watched while they put my last one together because I had to buy it out of town. That was in the fall and there were virtually none available to purchase in the state.
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Old 02-24-2021, 12:35 PM   #14
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Always ask for an out the door quote.
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Old 02-24-2021, 12:45 PM   #15
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These fees help to keep the used price a smidge confusing to the buyer - ďhe wanted 11k for his year old one, heck I can get a new one for 12Ē
Only to later realize Msrp does not equal drive out and 12 turns into 14 down at the dealer.


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Old 02-24-2021, 12:48 PM   #16
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Freight and assembly definately to high.
Get several quotes from different dealerships so you have some bargaining information. Make sure your comparing apples to apples. I had about 6 dealers working on a price for me and hoffy and Tuttle were within a few dollars and hoffy had one delivered first. They are hard to come by now. Check with Justin spies.
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Old 02-24-2021, 12:51 PM   #17
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Isn't all that stuff called the cost of doing business?
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:10 PM   #18
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U can get one out of state and avoid the tax
Not anymore, they now collect the tax unless ag exempt.

I have bought 3 from Antler Motorsports. They only charged me the $150 doc fee and tax.

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Old 02-24-2021, 01:15 PM   #19
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We have purchased 3 UTVs over the years and those fees don't look much out of line. They really are pretty standard and are a way to back door a bit of the mark-up that was not included in the sales price. Most car dealerships do similar.

At least in my experience, pressing them to lower the Sales price to cover some of these costs is the best bet. As mentioned by a few, there actually is some assembly involved and it takes a bit of time even for an expert at the dealership. Also, due to liability reasons, they won't sell you an unassembled unit.

At the end of the day, the number at the bottom of the page is the only one that counts. If you like that number, it doesn't matter how you got there. I'd press them to lower the sales price, although, good luck expecting them to cover all of those fees, as they more than likely won't.
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:19 PM   #20
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Can you buy one in the box and assemble at home?
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:48 PM   #21
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Not without voiding the warranty I bet
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:02 PM   #22
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Telling me more! Is uncrating and removing all the protective plastic and such considered assembly? Do they have to put the tires on the vehicle? Maybe add fluids? Trying to think what else wouldnt come assembled from the factory.
Roll cages, fluids, and a few other odds and ends. They definitely donít come out of the crate ready to roll.
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:40 PM   #23
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U can get one out of state and avoid the tax. Or use ag exempt purposes. Try to negotiate w em? I bought a new 1k polaris highlifter back in 17. Its been a really good machine

Be careful buying one using the Ag Exempt option... Specifically for SXS, UTV's and ATV's they must be 100% Ag use. If they check and you are using it for non-ag related operations, they can really stick it to you... This was changed several years ago because of the abuse of buying hunting buggies for "ag" use...

JUST LETTING YOU KNOW...
Some counties really check this stuff out too!
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:42 PM   #24
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Be careful buying one using the Ag Exempt option... Specifically for SXS, UTV's and ATV's they must be 100% Ag use. If they check and you are using it for non-ag related operations, they can really stick it to you... This was changed several years ago because of the abuse of buying hunting buggies for "ag" use...

JUST LETTING YOU KNOW...
Some counties really check this stuff out too!
What counties do this? They are not licensed so how would anyone know if I paid taxes on it
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:48 PM   #25
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Telling me more! Is uncrating and removing all the protective plastic and such considered assembly? Do they have to put the tires on the vehicle? Maybe add fluids? Trying to think what else wouldnt come assembled from the factory.
I was told that they frame comes in two pieces with the majority of the parts already installed on both pieces but there are some misc parts, not sure if that is true or not. Assuming that their labor rate is $100 an hour I don't think it is out of the question that receiving, uncrating, any assembly, getting all the correct fluids in it and confirming functionality will take close to 4 hours. I would think that this would be wrapped up in the cost of doing business for dealers but I get that any automotive sales is pretty competitive so they are looking for any profit center.
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:56 PM   #26
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Try to find a good deal on used. These things have become heinously overpriced IMO.
We are our own worst enemy. What we have shown that we are willing to pay for entertainment, showing up our friends, convienence, the ability to go faster, being more capable so on and so on has created this issue. This goes for several things that range from SXS to trucks to going to the movies to going to a ball game to hunting in general.......... This list can go on and on.
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Old 02-24-2021, 03:40 PM   #27
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They don't profit on these unless there is something along the lines of a $5-$10 admin fee:
VIT: $21
Tax: $1015
Reg/Doc: $158
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Old 02-24-2021, 04:55 PM   #28
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What counties do this? They are not licensed so how would anyone know if I paid taxes on it

They have a title from the State. Taxes are reported on those as to what is or is not paid...
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Old 02-24-2021, 04:55 PM   #29
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Bought a Pro FXT in November and the big city dealers had a lot of extra fees. Ended up buying one from a rural dealer and only paid tax and another $78 for title/doc fee.
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Old 02-24-2021, 05:19 PM   #30
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They have a title from the State. Taxes are reported on those as to what is or is not paid...
Yes, but there is not a database to search that I am aware of. Do you know anyone that has ever had issues with this?
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Old 02-24-2021, 05:22 PM   #31
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We are our own worst enemy. What we have shown that we are willing to pay for entertainment, showing up our friends, convienence, the ability to go faster, being more capable so on and so on has created this issue. This goes for several things that range from SXS to trucks to going to the movies to going to a ball game to hunting in general.......... This list can go on and on.
I guess I'm cheap, lol. I've shown no such thing. Heck, I'd drive a Ford F150 XL trim with plastic seats and floors if I got a good deal. It gets from A to B. $10K+ for a 400CC UTV that is a glorified 4-wheeler? Eff that. I'll walk first.
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Old 02-24-2021, 05:25 PM   #32
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What is VIT?
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:16 PM   #33
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Seems kinda high. I paid $400 for shipping and $200 for assembly.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:07 PM   #34
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Yes, but there is not a database to search that I am aware of. Do you know anyone that has ever had issues with this?
Of course there is a database. The title has your address. Taxes paid are reported to the county. Any vehicle where no tax is paid is part of that database.
I know a farmer in the Katy area that got checked. He had operations in both Harris and Waller counties. Donít recall which county, but a Constable stopped him while he was driving on a FM road and gave him all kind of grief for driving on a public road. Guy actually wrote him a ticket. Of course he fought it and won but judge asked him if he was engaged in ag activities because county records showed the Ranger to be a tax exempt vehicle. So yes there is a database. From that time until he sold his farm, he always carried a bale of hay in the back of that Ranger. Iíve heard other horror stories but that is the one that I personally have first hand knowledge of because I was there when it happened.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:15 PM   #35
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Yes, but there is not a database to search that I am aware of. Do you know anyone that has ever had issues with this?
My dealer ordered me an off road license for my new one, I didnít complain because the city of Rockport letís me drive it in town with that plate. Fwiw I did use ag exemption when I purchased it.
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I guess I'm cheap, lol. I've shown no such thing. Heck, I'd drive a Ford F150 XL trim with plastic seats and floors if I got a good deal. It gets from A to B. $10K+ for a 400CC UTV that is a glorified 4-wheeler? Eff that. I'll walk first.
I am with you. I haven't bought a truck since 2008 and I do not have a sxs. With that said I am jealous of the guys that have new trucks and sxs.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:18 PM   #37
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Interesting, unless he registered it in that county they would not have any record of it being ag exempt. The TDOT database that gets the info from the county tax assessors only reports on registered vehicles. I had farm tags on my trailer and never had any issues, but there is always that one LEO that might push it.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:34 PM   #38
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Telling me more! Is uncrating and removing all the protective plastic and such considered assembly? Do they have to put the tires on the vehicle? Maybe add fluids? Trying to think what else wouldnt come assembled from the factory.
Install the roll bars probably.

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Old 02-24-2021, 08:36 PM   #39
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High demand low supply. Sellers market. I’ve been trying to buy one for nearly a year. I’ve decided to wait.
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Old 02-24-2021, 11:51 PM   #40
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I’d raise hell over the freight charge. Setup would be the other one I’d be trying to negotiate.
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Old 02-25-2021, 05:42 AM   #41
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This is what they call the Vehicle Inventory Tax. This is the tax the dealer has to pay on the vehicles he has on the lot. Trouble is you are the one paying it for him. The same thing on trucks and cars also.
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Old 02-25-2021, 05:55 AM   #42
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You will pay MSRP plus most of those fees these days. If you don’t, the next person will.
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Old 02-25-2021, 06:54 AM   #43
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I just have to say it...
Are they gouging?
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Old 02-25-2021, 08:02 AM   #44
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Buy used, let someone else pay for that stuff. The has been some nice used ones FS this year.
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