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Old 01-28-2021, 11:12 AM   #1
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GM announced today that it is phasing out all sales of gasoline and diesel vehicles globally by 2035.


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i believe ford has said this as well.
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What the heck are us ranchers going to drive?
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Horse and buggy, Cattle Drives will be held on I-35
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Old 01-28-2021, 11:19 AM   #5
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Guess well be driving around rebuilt single axle Petes
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What the heck are you worried about?! Remember you're too dang old to worry about what's gonna happen in 2035...
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Where are you seeing this? I’m sure I’m missing something, but only thing I can find is California banning sales of new gasoline and diesel vehicles in 2035.
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It will never happen. We don't have and in 15 years will not have enough electricity to charge all those electric vehicles. Not enough fans.
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Old 01-28-2021, 12:38 PM   #9
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Toyota....built in Texas
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Lol, we will see. Save this post.

I think we could do it by 2035. But will we? I personally think so, and I think once the electric grid is built to handle it (Many places it already is), electric cars will take off. Ranchers will love it if they can get 400 miles out of a charge. More torque in an electric motor, quieter, not as hot as the trucks they have now.

I love my diesel pickup, and my hellcat, but I can see the writing on the wall. 15 years is a long time when you got folks like Elon leading the charge.
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Old 01-28-2021, 12:47 PM   #11
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We had this discussion on bowsite a couple weeks ago. It’s my thought that we are not and will not be ready also. It’s also a fact that the greenies use emotion and not logic to come to their conclusions. They have no idea how much carbon based fuel is required to build and operate their “green” world.
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The greenness haven't let us built nuclear plants in years and now we can't build coal or ng plants. Like I said before, not enough fans.
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Diesel electric generator 1000 hp trucks!!!
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Old 01-28-2021, 12:54 PM   #15
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Not gonna happen that soon
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It will never happen. We don't have and in 15 years will not have enough electricity to charge all those electric vehicles. Not enough fans.
I agree. With the reduction of coal plants that we'll see in the next couple of years the amount of electricity produced will drop drastically. And wind and solar will not be able to replace it. They can't control the voltage spikes like a steam turbine can as well
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Banning meat is part of the plan.
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Old 01-28-2021, 12:56 PM   #18
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Good thing I know how to drive a team.
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This video basically says any none DEF Diesel engine will be eliminated by 2023
And even heavy machinery/ dozers ect will be electric in 203?
https://youtu.be/B4oXj74dI7k
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Typical California. They will depend on other states for their electricity like they already do.
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Tesla Cybertruck of course. The design just screams "hook a trailer full of cattle to me" doesn't it?
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its coming like it or not. the decisions have been made at the very top. you don't announce things like this to the world as a major market player without 100% buy in from the share holders. these commitments are being made by all the big guys from big oil and auto.
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its coming like it or not. the decisions have been made at the very top. you don't announce things like this to the world as a major market player without 100% buy in from the share holders. these commitments are being made by all the big guys from big oil and auto.
You're probably right. Dems never lie.
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Where are you seeing this? Iím sure Iím missing something, but only thing I can find is California banning sales of new gasoline and diesel vehicles in 2035.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/gm-sets...ly-11611850343


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its coming like it or not. the decisions have been made at the very top. you don't announce things like this to the world as a major market player without 100% buy in from the share holders. these commitments are being made by all the big guys from big oil and auto.
Corporations say crap like this all the time because it attracts business and it's politically correct. That doesn't make it so.

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please give me an example and what business does GM have to gain from announcing this? if they stop making gas/diesel engines then they know they have to have the technology to replace it so i'm guessing they have done their homework. the thing is people think that the technology to run an electric car is some huge deal but it's not what it used to be. imagine trying to run a ship on electric. guess what that technology is coming to. our company is in a pilot project right now. i'm talking about big ships too. there is a ton of money aggressively behind these projects.
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please give me an example and what business does GM have to gain from announcing this? if they stop making gas/diesel engines then they know they have to have the technology to replace it so i'm guessing they have done their homework. the thing is people think that the technology to run an electric car is some huge deal but it's not what it used to be. imagine trying to run a ship on electric. guess what that technology is coming to. our company is in a pilot project right now. i'm talking about big ships too. there is a ton of money aggressively behind these projects.

I think there is a growing realization that ďthe fix is inĒ, and it doesnít matter anymore that the basis may not be legit. It has become the new money grab. The jump on the competition to drive infrastructure design (and capitalize on it as well), equipment design, materials and resource contracts, etc. are in a wide open all out sprint that is only increasing in intensity. By announcement, GM can position themselves to benefit from competition by European countries for new factories, or a piece of the pie in the supply chain.

This is not about the planet. This is about money. We could argue that countries with few O&G resources have succeeded in devaluing the USís vast O&G resources to even the playing field, but now Exxon, DOW, GM, etc are pivoting to get ahead of the new economy. There will be dust, but I fully expect the existing hierarchy of industrial and commercial power to be in place when it settles.


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Old 01-28-2021, 02:09 PM   #29
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Compressed Natural Gas (CNG)? Got lots here in Texas....
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say that we will never fully get away from the internal combustion engine and fossil fuels. There is NO way gas and diesel vehicles will be fully eradicated by 2035. I bet they can’t do it by 2050. Now, what I could see is a higher mixture of electric vehicles (some are already out there obviously), some propane or natural gas powered vehicles (those already exist), and there will still be gas and diesel vehicles.

For the average person in a big city that drives back and forth to work every day, I could see electric vehicles being viable. They have a set route, know how long it takes, and would know how much battery life they would need to get to work and home every day. The same can’t be said for most people living outside of a city or that travel a lot for work. And as mentioned before, we aren’t anywhere near having the infrastructure to support electric vehicles
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please give me an example and what business does GM have to gain from announcing this? if they stop making gas/diesel engines then they know they have to have the technology to replace it so i'm guessing they have done their homework. the thing is people think that the technology to run an electric car is some huge deal but it's not what it used to be. imagine trying to run a ship on electric. guess what that technology is coming to. our company is in a pilot project right now. i'm talking about big ships too. there is a ton of money aggressively behind these projects.
If you could snap your fingers today and have all electric vehicles happen where in hell would you get the kilowatts to charge all them. Use your head, it ainít gonna happen like that. Eventually maybe, but not in a few years. Remember Obamaís shovel ready jobs ? Same thing. Big talk.
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The people who have theses ideas don't actually have deal with the details or find solutions.
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If I could recharge as fast as I can fill up then I would not mind having an electric truck ,but I don't want to sit on the side of the road for hours waiting on a battery to charge.
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A lot of naysayers. It’s coming. I have and love my F250 diesel but I can see without a doubt in 15 years there will be electric trucks that will out perform diesel/gas trucks in everything. 15 years is a long time in this technology explosion we are living in. 15 years ago your phone was a Motorola Razr if you were lucky.
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Has anyone seen the video of the charging station in California being run by a diesel generator? That's the new Green.............. I can't find the darn video now!!!
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A lot of naysayers. Itís coming. I have and love my F250 diesel but I can see without a doubt in 15 years there will be electric trucks that will out perform diesel/gas trucks in everything. 15 years is a long time in this technology explosion we are living in. 15 years ago your phone was a Motorola Razr if you were lucky.
The infrastructure that would need to be in place to charge several million vehicles is not in place and will not be in place in 15 years.
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I think there is a growing realization that ďthe fix is inĒ, and it doesnít matter anymore that the basis may not be legit. It has become the new money grab. The jump on the competition to drive infrastructure design (and capitalize on it as well), equipment design, materials and resource contracts, etc. are in a wide open all out sprint that is only increasing in intensity. By announcement, GM can position themselves to benefit from competition by European countries for new factories, or a piece of the pie in the supply chain.

This is not about the planet. This is about money. We could argue that countries with few O&G resources have succeeded in devaluing the USís vast O&G resources to even the playing field, but now Exxon, DOW, GM, etc are pivoting to get ahead of the new economy. There will be dust, but I fully expect the existing hierarchy of industrial and commercial power to be in place when it settles.


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I Agree completely
I actually rail against it daily in my industry but I canít ignore what Iím seeing and being told by the likes of ChevronTexaco, total, LyondellBasell, shell etc daily
People have a plan and itís going to require massive retooling and logistic changes and they are pushing forward and if you want to continue to do business with them then you better be looking at ďsustainabilityĒ too.

Itís the new religion and itís happening no matter how much I love my f250 or tractor.



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If I could recharge as fast as I can fill up then I would not mind having an electric truck ,but I don't want to sit on the side of the road for hours waiting on a battery to charge.


So if you could pull into a gas station and simply exchange batteries would that work?
Donít think that isnít being looked at? Standard batteries.
Instead of gas stations they are simply battery exchange stations




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It better be a full service station.....I don't even like changing my battery every 5 yrs much less every 400 miles lol.

Just buy your Duramax in 2034 and you should be good until at least 2050
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If I could recharge as fast as I can fill up then I would not mind having an electric truck ,but I don't want to sit on the side of the road for hours waiting on a battery to charge.
Thatís what Iím talking about. Just think of the time and money it will take to have charging stations built all over this country. The tech isnít here.


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A lot of naysayers. Itís coming. I have and love my F250 diesel but I can see without a doubt in 15 years there will be electric trucks that will out perform diesel/gas trucks in everything. 15 years is a long time in this technology explosion we are living in. 15 years ago your phone was a Motorola Razr if you were lucky.
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I would be right there with you, but I still say 15 years ainít gonna cut it.



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Has anyone seen the video of the charging station in California being run by a diesel generator? That's the new Green.............. I can't find the darn video now!!!
Thatís what Iím taliking about !
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One plus is I don’t think electric has a transmission to mess with
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I plan to look at electric when my current F250 is done for. My main concern is battery life while towing. Anyone know if you can charge while you are driving? Instead of an auxiliary fuel tank you can mount a generator to charge while you're moving
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Guys- stop worrying about this. If this nut that we now have as president gets this to go through, the next president after him, which will probly have a brain, will get rid of it. It’ll never make it.
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it's not surprising what corporations will claim in order to obtain billions in tax payer funded grants.
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They have been saying this kinda crap since the Mid 90's, its called a fantasy pipe dream
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TxDOT is working on developing electrification infrastructure on the I-45 corridor. They have a working group and are pulling in information from fleet operators, OEMs, municipalities, technology vendors, etc.

Itís dumb, itís artificial, but the flow of money is real. Even if you hate it, follow it closely. The opportunity to get in on investing is now, and at worst to begin planning to mitigate potential future cost impacts in the future. Just donít get left behind and kick yourself later.


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Article by Rush that where he uses a Canadian engineers data to make the point....it aint going to happen anytime soon.
The whole battery swap is interesting but that wont happen any time soon either
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...c-car-fantasy/
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Exactly right or at the very least what they will say to keep the lunatics off their backs
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please give me an example and what business does GM have to gain from announcing this? if they stop making gas/diesel engines then they know they have to have the technology to replace it so i'm guessing they have done their homework. the thing is people think that the technology to run an electric car is some huge deal but it's not what it used to be. imagine trying to run a ship on electric. guess what that technology is coming to. our company is in a pilot project right now. i'm talking about big ships too. there is a ton of money aggressively behind these projects.
Boeing and Airbus aren't on the "alternative energy" bandwagon. It's not even on their radar. You gonna get on an airplane with your family that runs on batteries? Gimmee a break.

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So instead of stopping to fill up and pee every 300 miles and back on road in 5-10 minutes you have to wait how long on a recharge ??? And if I'm already waiting in 5-10 minutes for one in front to finish gassing up now I get to wait 45 minutes to an hour for them then my turn......sounds great
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