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Old 10-05-2009, 09:46 PM   #201
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REALLY? The Swine Flu...You've got about ten post on this one thread and haven't really said anything.
Make it about 11 then, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:56 PM   #202
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Just thought I would stop in and see how this thread is progressing.
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:56 PM   #203
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Charlie's post about the tag staying with the carcass has me thinking. If a deer is skinned and quartered at camp and put in an ice chest and covered with ice, how would you protect the tag so the ink would not run or smear and be illegible when and if checked by a game warden? I, like Steven, have always tagged the head and kept it with the ice chest for proof of sex until final disposition. Seems like putting the tag in a wet environment is asking for trouble.
I just compared the law with the TPWD annual and there is one key word that is changed. The annual says "attached" to the carcass while the law says the tag must remain "with" the carcass. My understanding was as long as the tagged head stayed with the carcass, that was acceptable. If the two are going separate ways, the tag must go with the carcass and you must fill out a wildlife resource document for the head. Now I'm wondering if my understanding is correct or incorrect.
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It may have been answered earlier, I didn't see it. Is there a logical reason to have a log on the back of the license? Seems to serve no useful purpose. Only seems to add a violation opportunity. There may be a reason for the log... but I don't know what it is.
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Old 10-05-2009, 10:10 PM   #205
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the log is to allow a person to kill two bucks in one buck counties. The log "proves" you didn't kill 2 bucks from same one buck county. It was actually added to benefit hunter opprotunity
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the log is to allow a person to kill two bucks in one buck counties. The log "proves" you didn't kill 2 bucks from same one buck county. It was actually added to benefit hunter opprotunity
Well, there you go. I was not aware of that. thanx for the info.
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Sounds a little "feather legged" to me, too.

Sorry to hear, Steven.
What is "feather legged" about it? He broke two laws and he received two tickets. That was that officer's discretion and we also are only hearing Steven's side of the story. The picture taking indicates to me that Steven and Michael might have had an attitude problem at some point. I am disappointed in Steven and Michael for how they handled this situation. I feel that they should accept the fact that they broke the law and simply use this as an oppourtunity to educate others.
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What is "feather legged" about it? He broke two laws and he received two tickets. That was that officer's discretion and we also are only hearing Steven's side of the story. The picture taking indicates to me that Steven and Michael might have had an attitude problem at some point. I am disappointed in Steven and Michael for how they handled this situation. I feel that they should accept the fact that they broke the law and simply use this as an oppourtunity to educate others.
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It may have been answered earlier, I didn't see it. Is there a logical reason to have a log on the back of the license? Seems to serve no useful purpose. Only seems to add a violation opportunity. There may be a reason for the log... but I don't know what it is.
along with what BW said

you also have to mark a box if you kill a buck over 13 inches in an AR county
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What is "feather legged" about it? He broke two laws and he received two tickets. That was that officer's discretion and we also are only hearing Steven's side of the story. The picture taking indicates to me that Steven and Michael might have had an attitude problem at some point. I am disappointed in Steven and Michael for how they handled this situation. I feel that they should accept the fact that they broke the law and simply use this as an oppourtunity to educate others.
You don't know much about TBH, that is obvious... It is all about the video. In this case pictures... you know the old saying, if there are NO pictures... it did not happen.

AS far as how it was handled... How many views and HOW many post on this situation... Sounds like ALOT of folks have been educated.

Well, over 4000 views on this thread alone. That is better than a commercial. what more could you ask for.

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Old 10-05-2009, 10:48 PM   #211
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That was that officer's discretion and we also are only hearing Steven's side of the story. The picture taking indicates to me that Steven and Michael might have had an attitude problem at some point.




Yep, they were obviously perturbed by the whole picture taking thing!

LOL! I can assure you, there was nothing discourteous on our part, or unprofessional on theirs, during the entire encounter. I'm confident each of the LEO's on hand would vouch for that. I shook hands with the GW's when they arrived, and again with each of the three officers before we parted ways. Other than the citation, it was a pleasant exchange from beginning to end.

I think the thing that keeps getting lost here is that neither Steven nor I have questioned the professionalism displayed by the three officers. As I said in my initial post, they were well within their right to issue the citations. I'm not at all surprised that they issued the citation for the Log violation, as that was pretty prominently discussed for the first few years, and I've seen it stated for a couple of years that they won't give warnings for that. I was surprised that they chose to issue TWO citations in this instance, and I remain equally surprised that the same officer who gave me a warning for no license plate would feel compelled to call in the GWs because of the processing beyond quartering issue.

It certainly doesn't make them bad guys, and that has never been my contention. However, it does make me rethink how I might interact with LEO's in the future, which is the main point that's been lost in this thread.

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Sorry to hear about ya'lls misfortunes but laws are laws and we pay to have them enforced. I would think that a couple of "gentlemen" who are such sticklers for rules on the website would understand this, and we are only talking about "rules" not laws. If you are not going to play by the laws then be prepared to pay the piper. Sorry again but it does sound a bit hypocritical.

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I would totally agree.First the filling out of the back of the license has been in effect for quite some time,so if you didn't do it then pay the fine and move along.If the trooper that wrote the warning ticket was so cool then why did he call the game wardens? He apparently thought something was going on.Anyone can stand out and shoot the bull and be cool and they have seen it all and may have thrown up a red flag.My cousin is a game warden and if you knew half of what they go through and the pay they receive you might think a little differently.I find it somewhat funny that what i consider the TBH click (like the popular people in school) are the majority of the ones defending someone breaking game laws whether intentional or not.All law enforcement officers are different just like you and i and some will give you a warning and some will write a ticket for everything.It doesn't matter if someone was trying to learn to clean a deer or not.Laws were broken and you got tickets for it and now you say you look at game wardens in a different light when they are just doing a job . If you looked at all law enforcement that stopped you and didn't give you a warning in a different way you must not care for any of them. My .02
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x10 but I can say I had no idea about the quartering issue either. We always debone our mule deer before coming back from west texas to save on room. Had we ever been checked we would have been ticketed too I am sure.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law. The game violations were rules that have been on the book for many years and as Dale pointed out on the log issue at first they did issue many warnings.

I can see the reason the tropper gave Michael a warning over being given a ticket. He had no idea the plate was gone until the trooper stopped him. Had it been Michael's registration or his inspection sticker been out for several months he would have gotten a ticket and not just a warning. I have gotten warning for my trailer lights before that were not working yet solely because of the ground. Have even had trooper follow me some distance to verify story once they started to work.

What I think sucks about the whole issue is that everyone is loosing trust in the guys hired to enforce our game laws and here everyone is loosing faith in them for doing their job. I have had several bad run ins with one GW who is now retied. I have made no secret of that and even though he was an *** it never made me less appreciative of the job they do or make me less inclined to go to one for assistance.
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If this had happened to you, you broke the law....what good would come of that??? If you rant and rave enough, you should be let go?? A couple of things about this thread really dont sit well with me:

A thread that has the potential to and has several negative remarks about LEO/GW's should not have made it past page 1.

I am quite shocked that the leadership of TBH has allowed this thread to continue and has also made negative/questioning remarks about LEO/GW.

The longer this continues to go on, I see 2 things happening. There will probably be NO leniency if a court date is requested by the offender and GW's and LEO will probably make EVERY effort to stop vehicles with TBH stickers on them and people WILL be scrutinized.

Ignorance of the law is NO defense. I claim to be no expert, but its every hunters responsibility to know the laws and to abide by them.

I for one can not say enough thanks to the GW's and LEO's out there. They have the most thankless jobs on the planet and many are forced to be cut and dried due to the majority of people they run into on a daily basis.
Probably a stretch on the TBH sticker deal but otherwise good points.

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Dang it Shane....mine is already on the left. You trying to set me up


Some of these replies are quite comical...I think if Leggy had indeed gotten a warning, some would be calling for the GW's heads for NOT doing their job.
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Yep, they were obviously perturbed by the whole picture taking thing!

LOL! I can assure you, there was nothing discourteous on our part, or unprofessional on theirs, during the entire encounter. I'm confident each of the LEO's on hand would vouch for that. I shook hands with the GW's when they arrived, and again with each of the three officers before we parted ways. Other than the citation, it was a pleasant exchange from beginning to end.

I think the thing that keeps getting lost here is that neither Steven nor I have questioned the professionalism displayed by the three officers. As I said in my initial post, they were well within their right to issue the citations. I'm not at all surprised that they issued the citation for the Log violation, as that was pretty prominently discussed for the first few years, and I've seen it stated for a couple of years that they won't give warnings for that. I was surprised that they chose to issue TWO citations in this instance, and I remain equally surprised that the same officer who gave me a warning for no license plate would feel compelled to call in the GWs because of the processing beyond quartering issue.

It certainly doesn't make them bad guys, and that has never been my contention. However, it does make me rethink how I might interact with LEO's in the future, which is the main point that's been lost in this thread.

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I have to say that I am quite disappointed in some of the responses that I have been reading, especially from some of the older more respected senior members on here. To say that you would interact differently just doesn't sit well with me or set a good example for the membership. I think it's noble that you admit no hard feelings and admit that you did break laws, but the impression that you are giving about LEO/GW is not a good one.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:09 PM   #213
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How hard would it be to tell that it was 1 deer or 2 deer boned out? I think the law needs to be changed.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:09 PM   #214
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Actually, I think the DPS officer was a bit taken aback when Steven came around and started taking photos. I briefly explained the website and asked if he objected to having pictures taken. He was all for it.

When the GWs arrived, I grabbed Steven's camera and asked if they had any objection. Again, they were all for it. Not only did they pose for the pictures, but they asked when we would have them posted. The DPS officer and one of the GW's actually gave me their personal email addresses so I could send them a link to the writeup and photos, while the other GW officer was writing Steven a citation.

I guess that's what makes it all the more frustrating and confusing that they would cite Steven for two relatively minor (certainly obscure) violations. I understand and appreciate that all law enforcement officers have a difficult job, but part of that job, especially in the case of the GW's, is gaining the cooperation of the hunting public. Within the letter of the law, they were in their right to issue a ticket, but with due respect to these officers, I think they (certainly the lead GW) used poor judgement in issuing TWO citations in this instance. Likewise, while I appreciate the DPS officer for giving me a warning and engaging us in fun conversation, I think he used poor judgement in calling out his GW buddies to "inquire" about such a minor infraction.

What was, in the beginning, friendly conversation in an attempt to make an officer's job a little more pleasant, turned into a costly fine for Steven, and perhaps more importantly a sad lesson learned not to engage a law enforcement officer in any conversation except for direct answers to his questions.

Officers, despite the disagreement with the way this was handled, welcome to the site and thanks for letting us take a few photos.

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I think this is what has stuck with me through most of this thread. You are the leadership of this forum and IMO, its not good to have someone in a leadership position making this kind of negative and questioning statement.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:22 PM   #215
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Rules are Rules and Laws are Laws.

May be no opinion's of LEO should be a new rule.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:30 PM   #216
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To say that you would interact differently just doesn't sit well with me or set a good example for the membership.
Why would I NOT interact differently? In the same situation, why would I engage the DPS trooper in idle conversation, or why would Steven feel compelled to show the officer the deer he had killed, when the officer never requested to see it? Different certainly doesn't mean that I would be discourteous or treat the officer disrespectfully, but it probably does mean that I wouldn't volunteer any information that wasn't specifically requested, or could possibly mean in a future situation where I might have otherwise been proactive in searching out a GW (ie, if I see a fellow lease member violating a game law), I might not be so quickly inclined to report it for fear that I might have overlooked an obscure regulation that I might not be aware of.

Since when is it not permissible to voice disagreement with a public official or law enforcement officer, especially when it's done with the utmost respect?
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:37 PM   #217
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I try to be as legal as possible when it comes to deer hunting and the such but i dont trust GW's at all.
I have had some good and some bad run in's with them,u just never know if u get the jerk or the decently nice guy.
Lets just say i have more respect for the cops that beat the streets then the squrrel police
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:41 PM   #218
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I try to keep conversation to a minimum, but am not going to be disrepectful and not fully answer whatever questions I'm asked.

Most GWs I've ran into have been very polite, but have had one run-in that didn't go so well. It involved a warden wanting to issue tickets for sub-13" bucks on an MLD3 property...based on the harvest log...and wanting to issue citations to ppl in camp who had deer hung up with permits on them, yet felt they didn't comply with the rules b/c the log on the licenses hadn't been filled out.

But I do feel this is a case where having a partially processed deer could have been over-looked. Had there been enough meat for 2 deer in the cooler and only 1 head....then that's a different story. Laws ARE laws, but they can be bent depending on the situation..for instance, on the last lease I was on we were given permission to process deer at the lodge on the lease and could drive around on the FM and CRs with untagged deer, surely there are laws against that. (<--- different county than mishap in paragraph 2)
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:09 AM   #219
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I would like to thank all of the LEO's on doing a great job.Keep it up...If you break the law be ready to pay the fines.( stop crying)........

I have gotten so many traffic tickets over the years I can't keep track of them but I don't place blame on the LEO for doing his job.If I don't want to get a ticket I know what to do to stop it...Why would you have a different outlook on them just because you got nailed?


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Old 10-06-2009, 05:07 AM   #220
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Most useless post on this thread. Good contribution to a good thread.

One thing I've come up with after reading a few more posts on the processing. If two deer were shot (not suggesting it happened- hypothetical only) and processed in camp, and a large portion consumed in camp by multiple parties, how would the game warden know how many deer were actually shot if what's left is processed the way it was? He wouldn't. This may be part of the reason for the law being written the way it is.
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:14 AM   #221
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I got a ticket from a GW in Jacksboro for fishing without a license a few months back. I had a valad license and it was 30 yards away in my truck. I told him this. I also dropped that I was in the police academy when he asked what I did for a living. He still wrote me the ticket (of course the judge dismissed it).

I told a cop I work with about the incident and he said when he was in the police academy that they taught them that professional courtesy should be extended to all officers (don't write them a ticket) except for GW..Because GW would write their own mama a ticket..

I'm thinking there may be some truth to it!
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:15 AM   #222
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It may have been answered earlier, I didn't see it. Is there a logical reason to have a log on the back of the license? Seems to serve no useful purpose. Only seems to add a violation opportunity. There may be a reason for the log... but I don't know what it is.
The 'other reason' for the log is to make certain no one recycle's the tag that goes on the deer.

My GW friend says that the back log is still quite overlooked by many & can usually tell if malice is involved by looking at the tag on the deer. I'm sure that forgetting a pen in your hunting gear can be easier than your knife or bino's, correct?? I have even had a roller type pen that just smeared one time when he and I tracked down a cull that had run off w/ very little blood trail. We found it and could not get my roller pen to write on the lic. that is kinda slick. My only option was to cut or notch out the date kills on the tag untill I could find a functioning pen. This way my 'intention' was not to re-use the tag as it was permantly destroyed.

If I was alone and ran across another gw on my way back to camp and displayed my notched tag and prooved my pen would not write on either tag or log, some could use discretion and some could write me up.

This is a prime example of where it is still my responsibility and also shows how different GW's can use their power to issue a warning or citation. Would I have the right to be upset if ticket was given under this scenario?? I think so. Some would say I should have pre-tested a pen that would write...and with some GW's, this is not an incorrect statement.

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I think some of you need to work on your reading comprehension...
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I try to be as legal as possible when it comes to deer hunting and the such but i dont trust GW's at all.
I just cannot make sense of this comment. If you're "legal", what's not to trust about a GW?
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I just cannot make sense of this comment. If you're "legal", what's not to trust about a GW?
because even if you think you are legal, you might not be... and it will cost you time and $$$

not remembering to follow proceedure is no excuse
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:06 AM   #228
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I was dove hunting with a friend of mine and his 15 yr old step son a couple of weeks ago and the friend had to go take care of some business and left his step son with me. Later on the GW showed up and the step son's license was in my friends truck. The GW was super nice about the whole thing and checked in to see if the 15 yr old had a license and the person the he talked with couldn't find anything showing that he did have a license. We assured the GW that he did indeed have one and the GW only gave him a warning. We talked a while and he mentioned he had written a ticket at this same field to a young man that didn't have a hunter safety certificate. He said that the young man was very polite and accepted the ticket without any problem. Then he told me he had made a call to the judge and aksed him to go easy on the kid. Maybe your GWs could, or did do this.
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because even if you think you are legal, you might not be... and it will cost you time and $$$
What does that have to do with "trust" in the GW?? Sounds more like he doesn't trust himself to know all the game laws.

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Old 10-06-2009, 09:08 AM   #231
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It's un-fortunate that people feel this way. When what you should be taking away from this situation is to tag all your deer properly, fill out the log correctly, and don't process the deer past quartering until you get home.

I agree totally, each animal harvested should be filled out and documented correctly, but in Leggies case, he was totally unaware of any wrong doing, just proud of his harvest.
I myself am no expert on all of the game laws that are required of hunters, and would be kicking myself if in an attempt to show off an animal I had harvested ended up receiving multiple citations.
By no means am I condoning ignorance of the law, but like I said I am no expert on every single rule.
Unless you are 100% sure that every aspect of your harvest is correctly documented, my advise is to just keep the small talk to a minimum.
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I just cannot make sense of this comment. If you're "legal", what's not to trust about a GW?
Because most of them are..., nevermind. This whole thread is hillarious!
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:27 AM   #233
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What does that have to do with "trust" in the GW??
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It has everything to do with trust.

The Gamewarden is paid to find things wrong and enforce the law. For example, if you take a deer and your license is in camp, you can not trust the gamewarden to understand that you intend to promptly tag your animal after loading it in your truck and driving it to the cleaning station. You can not trust the game warden to understand you forgot to put an ink pen in your back pack or that you have a zip tie in camp and will attach the tag there.

The stories are scattered all through this thread. You would be foolish to trust the gamewarden to ever give a warning or allow any kind of reasonable leniency. Have the pen on you ready to fill out the tag where the game crashes or you should expect to be fined.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:28 AM   #234
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VERY interesting thread! Although I've never been cited by a GW, I have been stopped by them numerous times and they check everything out! I would have to say that if I didn't have my log filled out, I'd expect the citation. I didn't know about the other law. Now I do!

As for those that are bashing Michael and Steven for "whining", get real! Don't we all whine when we get a speeding ticket? I know I do! These 2 men are very respected around here for many reasons. They have added a lot of good info and helped a lot of people along the way.

I doubt the 2 GW's would dare comment on this thread, but maybe if they're bow hunters, they will eventually sign up and help us out in the future by reminding us of rules. I for one, think this is an excellent post!!! From the pictures, it looks as if the GW's enjoyed good conversation with the guys and I doubt that Michael and Steven have lost ANY respect for LEO's!

Lastly, I say that any TBH member that gets cited for one of these infractions after reading this thread should be sent to banned camp for a week!
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:31 AM   #235
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It has everything to do with trust.

The Gamewarden is paid to find things wrong and enforce the law. For example, if you take a deer and your license is in camp, you can not trust the gamewarden to understand that you intend to promptly tag your animal after loading it in your truck and driving it to the cleaning station. You can not trust the game warden to understand you forgot to put an ink pen in your back pack or that you have a zip tie in camp and will attach the tag there.

The stories are scattered all through this thread. You would be foolish to trust the gamewarden to ever give a warning or allow any kind of reasonable leniency. Have the pen on you ready to fill out the tag where the game crashes or you should expect to be fined.

I don't think those scenarios fall under trust, but that's purely my opinion. The laws are very clear.

Out of pure curiosity, have you filled out the log on the back of your license for deer you've shot in the last 5 years?
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:33 AM   #236
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Who here would honestly say the GWs would not be 'doing their jobs' had they given Steven a warning instead of a citation???

Steven and Michael were not 'ignorant' of the broken laws. Ignorance implies a conscious attempt to break the law! How many of you are aware of every single traffic law?

IMO- the GWs p***ed on Steven' back with a smile on their faces. It's not a great feeling when you try to be a law-abiding citizen and a GW (who HAS discretion!) gives you the third degree for an arbitrary regulation (if it is indeed designed to 'protect the hunter').

Steven, I hope the tickets get dismissed and I hope you take a copy of this thread to the hearing!
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:36 AM   #237
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What does that have to do with "trust" in the GW?? Sounds more like he doesn't trust himself to know all the game laws.
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It has everything to do with trust.

The Gamewarden is paid to find things wrong and enforce the law. For example, if you take a deer and your license is in camp, you can not trust the gamewarden to understand that you intend to promptly tag your animal after loading it in your truck and driving it to the cleaning station. You can not trust the game warden to understand you forgot to put an ink pen in your back pack or that you have a zip tie in camp and will attach the tag there.

The stories are scattered all through this thread. You would be foolish to trust the gamewarden to ever give a warning or allow any kind of reasonable leniency. Have the pen on you ready to fill out the tag where the game crashes or you should expect to be fined.
SIGH!!!!!!!!

Thanks for helping to make my point. All you keep saying is you hope the GW forgives you for not abiding by the game laws when you get caught. Sorry, it didn't work out that way for you. This has ZERO to do with trust in a GW.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:37 AM   #238
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WOW!!!! Can't a man be bummed about a ticket without 5 pages of hammering for not liking it........Congrats on the doe Leggy. Oh and if its any consolation prior to this thread I know someone who may have been in violation of the lisc. log. They said thank you.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:39 AM   #239
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This thread has been good in that it has brought out issues that all hunters should be aware of. I dug out my Outdoor Annual last night and it dang sure says that the tag stays with the carcass. Probably saved me a fine down the road. We always skin and quarter and put them on ice. I am going to find a suitable waterproof pouch for my tag and it will be on the carcass in the ice chest. Thanks for pointing that out Charlie.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:45 AM   #240
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hate to interrupt the contest with something positive, but.....

here's a handy tip.....

I carry a sharpie with electrical tape wrapped around it. (and a backup)

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Old 10-06-2009, 09:47 AM   #241
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Technically speaking.......what's a "carcass"??

carcass, carcase
1. the body of an animal killed for meat. The head, the legs below the knees and hocks, the tail, the skin and most of the viscera are removed. The kidneys are left in and in most instances the body is split down the middle through the sternum and the vertebral bodies.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:48 AM   #242
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SIGH!!!!!!!!

Thanks for helping to make my point. All you keep saying is you hope the GW forgives you for not abiding by the game laws when you get caught. Sorry, it didn't work out that way for you. This has ZERO to do with trust in a GW.
Semantics... Fish

I do everything right a 100 times and then 1 time I forget. Murphy's law says that is when I will be checked. Should I trust (have faith) that the GW will realize there was no intent to break the rules, see that I am a law abiding citizen (CCL) and use his discretion to issue a warning?

Why have the ability to issue warnings if they are not going to. Maybe this ability should be taken away, because if there was ever a case to use it, this was it.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:51 AM   #243
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~sigh~

It has everything to do with trust.

The Gamewarden is paid to find things wrong and enforce the law. For example, if you take a deer and your license is in camp, you can not trust the gamewarden to understand that you intend to promptly tag your animal after loading it in your truck and driving it to the cleaning station. You can not trust the game warden to understand you forgot to put an ink pen in your back pack or that you have a zip tie in camp and will attach the tag there.

The stories are scattered all through this thread. You would be foolish to trust the gamewarden to ever give a warning or allow any kind of reasonable leniency. Have the pen on you ready to fill out the tag where the game crashes or you should expect to be fined.

AMEN! That is what he did, you just happened to be on the wrong end of this deal.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:52 AM   #244
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Yes they are and as such they are held in high regard. We as bowhunters claim to be the most ethical and law abiding sportsmen on the planet. As such, we ALL need to live up to such a claim.
I want to go on record and say I don't claim either of the above. I TRY to be the most ethical and law abiding person that I can. Claiming that you are either would be setting yourself up for failure.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:55 AM   #245
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:58 AM   #246
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I may have missed this, why did the DPS officer call GW? Just routine or does he know game laws and new somthing was wrong.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:58 AM   #247
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Semantics... Fish
Agreed but let's also agree the trust should lie with the hunter to know the game laws 100% of the time and to abide by them 100% of the time or he/she should expect to pay the consequences. Trusting the GW will do his job will be what I do from this point forward.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:59 AM   #248
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SIGH!!!!!!!!

Thanks for helping to make my point. All you keep saying is you hope the GW forgives you for not abiding by the game laws when you get caught. Sorry, it didn't work out that way for you. This has ZERO to do with trust in a GW.
LOL

I didn't say anything remotely close to that!

I'd like people to be able to learn from my mistakes. Lets try and stick to the facts.

I have seen numerous people tag deer in camp. Do I consider them outlaws? Do you?

I broke the law and I will pay whatever the judge tells me to. It is what it is.
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Old 10-06-2009, 10:01 AM   #249
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Semantics... Fish

I do everything right a 100 times and then 1 time I forget. Murphy's law says that is when I will be checked. Should I trust (have faith) that the GW will realize there was no intent to break the rules, see that I am a law abiding citizen (CCL) and use his discretion to issue a warning?

Why have the ability to issue warnings if they are not going to. Maybe this ability should be taken away, because if there was ever a case to use it, this was it.
I don't believe you should have faith that the GW will realize your intent. The back of the license log is a WELL publicized law that has been in place for 5 years now. They gave a gazillion warnings the 1st two years (I got one), if you can't handle that by now....you deserve a ticket! The log was put there for the benefit of the hunter because those of us who hunt in two different 1 buck counties whined because we couldn't shoot a buck in both. It's on us to go through the proper channels now. Could he have used his own discretion.....YES, but he is not obligated.

On the other ticket, YES.....I think discretion should have been used. But the GW is certainly not obligated to use it. I don't see where that is a matter of trust or good faith. I TRUST that LEOs will follow their rules/laws, and they TRUST that I will as well. If they do not, I have a gripe. If I do not, they can write me a ticket.

These are just my opinions....
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Old 10-06-2009, 10:03 AM   #250
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Agreed but let's also agree the trust should lie with the hunter to know the game laws 100% of the time and to abide by them 100% of the time or he/she should expect to pay the consequences. Trusting the GW will do his job will be what I do from this point forward.
Ok, he said it in less words than me. lol
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