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Old 10-04-2009, 04:25 PM   #1
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White Chevy Haulin' a Red Mule on I-20 just before Brazos River.

GW was checking them out!! Hope all was OK! Didn't get a real good look, but Driver looked famous!
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Old 10-04-2009, 05:50 PM   #2
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Old 10-04-2009, 05:58 PM   #3
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Did the GW actually have them pulled over or was he just driving by them s-l-o-w-l-ey??

I may have a scoop!
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Old 10-04-2009, 06:01 PM   #4
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Well... hells bells... spill the beans.
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Not sure I'm right so my lip is zipped!

Was the driver female?
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Old 10-04-2009, 06:12 PM   #6
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Not sure I'm right so my lip is zipped!

Was the driver female?
Its was sippy right!!
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Old 10-04-2009, 06:13 PM   #7
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Not sure I'm right so my lip is zipped!

Was the driver female?
I'm guessing 2 male occupants...
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Old 10-04-2009, 06:27 PM   #8
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I'm guessing 2 male occupants...
Quite possibly!!!!
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Old 10-04-2009, 06:33 PM   #9
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Quite possibly!!!!
Male driver. After viewing the ERS Opening weekend post I think I know who it is! Hopefully there is a good story or maybe a prank behind it... who knows!
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Old 10-04-2009, 06:34 PM   #10
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Oh trust me, there's a good story...complete with photos!

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So Middleton and I are headed back to Dallas after one heck of a good time at the semi-famous El Rancho Stovall (ERS). We pass a trooper who has a guy pulled over and I say "Man they really work this stretch in here... you really gotta be careful."

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Yep... apparently the license plate got knocked off at Ben's place.

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We are having fun with the good officer and are doing what we do (take pictures of our silly adventures). Of course the officer wants to know if we had any luck, so we show him our tagged guest of honor.

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He asks me where the rest of the deer is and when I tell him its in the ice chest, he gets a little excited and calls some buddys who happened to be in the nighborhood.

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At this point I'm thinking this is just a fun way to chat with the local officers on the ride home... after all, I have a brand new hunting license and properly tagged game... I had no clue what was going to happen next...

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While Middleton recieves a warning for lack of a license plate, I get not one but two citations from the game wardens.

Last night Mary wanted to practice deboning a ham since her boys usually process her deer for her. I never gave it a second thought as we loaded a baggie full of tenderloins and boned out the hams while talking about carne guisada recipes. Officially I'm cited for processing my deer beyond quartering before my final destination. Then, to top it off, although I tagged my deer properly, I had forgtten to write it on the back of my license log.

Score card:

Middleton a warning for not having a license on his trailer.

Leggett: Two citations with a properly tagged animal and some meat I'm not very interested in eating any more.

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The officers knew about this website and asked Michael if he thought this would paint them in a bad light. I guess they understood they were being a bit "ticky tacky" with the decision to actually cite me while the trooper decided to issue a warning. I filled out the tag while the officer watched me and yet he still chose to cite me. Honestly, I have always been thankful game wardens were out there doing what they do but after today, I was left with a "us against them" feeling that I don't think I'll lose any time soon. Of course, they are just enforcing the laws... that is what they are paid to do.

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Old 10-04-2009, 08:04 PM   #12
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Great story!!

Apparently, I saw a different white chevy pulling what may have been a Mule or a 4 Wheeler with a female driver. Were they part of ya'lls group??
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:11 PM   #13
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Great story!

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Old 10-04-2009, 08:21 PM   #14
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Looks like they didnt care they were getting their picture taken. I figured the DPS and GW's wouldnt take too kindly to that.

Just a memorable ending to a great weekend.
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:25 PM   #15
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Dang, that bites! Maybe y'all should have stopped at Mary's with me and maybe you would not have met these fine officers because I didn't see any highway patrol when I came through.
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:26 PM   #16
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Leggy, I agree with you. Citations for that.....just a little much.

Good to see the trooper understood discretion.
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:26 PM   #17
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Is Mary gonna pay 1/2 the fine?
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:28 PM   #18
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oh man that bites! I know they don't play with the tag issue. It's good to see our GW and Troopers are out in force. Don't forget to pay
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Sorry about the hit to the wallet. You never know when you think your in the right only to turn out to be in the wrong. At least they didn't confiscate the meat.
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:32 PM   #20
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:37 PM   #21
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Sorry to hear about the citations but at least they were friendly about it. I know it doesn't make you feel any better but they could have been worse.
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:38 PM   #22
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I knew you could get the citation for the license log but never processing a deer past quartering. I always try to clean it up as mush as possible at the lease to keep me from messing my apartment up to much, not anymore though! I always talk to LEO but sometimes the more you talk the more trouble you will find. Sorry to hear the bad news!
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:39 PM   #23
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They must not get it.............


That sucks Legdog. I have heard alot of people getting those tickets. Most people forget about the log on back.
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:45 PM   #24
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Sounds a little "feather legged" to me, too.

Sorry to hear, Steven.
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:45 PM   #25
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At least they had a sense of humor and let y'all take pictures during the escapade!

It sucks that they gave you TWO tickets, but at least they're doing their job.




BTW ... I'd make Mary pay the quartering ticket!
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:47 PM   #26
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Why didn't Michael just tell them to "move along"??
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Old 10-04-2009, 08:51 PM   #27
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Great story!!

Apparently, I saw a different white chevy pulling what may have been a Mule or a 4 Wheeler with a female driver. Were they part of ya'lls group??
No, not part of our group.

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Looks like they didnt care they were getting their picture taken. I figured the DPS and GW's wouldnt take too kindly to that.
Actually, I think the DPS officer was a bit taken aback when Steven came around and started taking photos. I briefly explained the website and asked if he objected to having pictures taken. He was all for it.

When the GWs arrived, I grabbed Steven's camera and asked if they had any objection. Again, they were all for it. Not only did they pose for the pictures, but they asked when we would have them posted. The DPS officer and one of the GW's actually gave me their personal email addresses so I could send them a link to the writeup and photos, while the other GW officer was writing Steven a citation.

I guess that's what makes it all the more frustrating and confusing that they would cite Steven for two relatively minor (certainly obscure) violations. I understand and appreciate that all law enforcement officers have a difficult job, but part of that job, especially in the case of the GW's, is gaining the cooperation of the hunting public. Within the letter of the law, they were in their right to issue a ticket, but with due respect to these officers, I think they (certainly the lead GW) used poor judgement in issuing TWO citations in this instance. Likewise, while I appreciate the DPS officer for giving me a warning and engaging us in fun conversation, I think he used poor judgement in calling out his GW buddies to "inquire" about such a minor infraction.

What was, in the beginning, friendly conversation in an attempt to make an officer's job a little more pleasant, turned into a costly fine for Steven, and perhaps more importantly a sad lesson learned not to engage a law enforcement officer in any conversation except for direct answers to his questions.

Officers, despite the disagreement with the way this was handled, welcome to the site and thanks for letting us take a few photos.

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Old 10-04-2009, 08:56 PM   #28
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What a "Buzz Kill" to a fine weekend!
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:00 PM   #29
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Sorry about the citations. I agree with the officer and game wardens doing their job but believe sometimes they can be to knit picky about some things
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:10 PM   #30
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Sorry about the fine...but the GW's handled it right purely for the reason that if they hadn't given you the citations this thread wouldn't be what it is...they got the word out by making a example out of you ....follow ALL the rules no exceptions...now we all know
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:16 PM   #31
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Sorry to hear about that Legdog. Guess it was a slow weekend for them.....and the fact they needed 2 GW's to investigate is a little ridiculous.
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:16 PM   #32
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What county was the stop in so we know where Barney and Gomer work?

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Old 10-04-2009, 09:33 PM   #33
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That is too funny! I needed a good laugh.....

Congrats on the doe though!
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:33 PM   #34
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Sorry about the fine...but the GW's handled it right purely for the reason that if they hadn't given you the citations this thread wouldn't be what it is...they got the word out by making a example out of you ....follow ALL the rules no exceptions...now we all know
Valid point, I suppose. But does that "word" get lost in the other message that was sent that it's not a good idea to engage law enforcement in any friendly conversation. Here's an example...

Earlier in the week, Howard posted about a buck that had been seen on a place that he has permission to hunt with an arrow sticking out both sides of his neck. He wondered if he should contact the local game warden, since he might incorrectly be a suspect because he hunts the place. My advise to him last week was to call and talk to the GW to let him know that JT would keep an eye out for the perpetrator. After this situation, perhaps my advice to him would be to steer clear of talking to the GW because he runs the risk of having the GW start searching for possible infractions that JT might not even be aware of (ie, honestly, while I remember hearing something about the processing regulation, it never would have crossed my mind, and I possibly - don't want to open myself up for a violation! - have unknowingly violated that regulation before). There's a likelihood that I've forgotten to fill out the log on my license in a previous season, too.

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Old 10-04-2009, 09:38 PM   #35
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I just checked the TPWD regulaton booklet. Nowhere does it say that you can't process your game beyond quartering....unless I missed something.....Page 59 and 60 of the reg book. Maybe someone else can find it.
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:40 PM   #36
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Sorry to hear about that Legdog.
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:43 PM   #37
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I'm at a loss here. If you had cooked some of the meat then wouldn't the processing been okay? As for the log, I know there was a thread on TBH last and this year about being sure you fill out the log. I write it down as I pull the tag off to place on the deer or I too would forget.

Sorry to hear about the citation Legdog, maybe the judge will understand.
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:43 PM   #38
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This really has no bearing on anything but I have a Concealed Handgun License. Although I rarely ever carry, in my view this means I'm "one of the good guys"... a guy who has had a background check and gave up the time and cash to learn the laws to have the privilege to carry. (for the record, I was not carrying today).

Since I spend a lot more time bowhunting than carrying a pistol, I guess I need to try a little harder to dot my i's and cross my t's in the hunting universe.

Funny thing, not one person in our camp of what I consider to be pretty seasoned hunters made a comment about me "over processing" this deer. While I admit to my error, I just never imagined I was painting so far out the lines that I'd end up with a double hit. I was proud of my deer. A lot of effort went in to hanging that stand, descenting my clothes, capturing it on film, tagging it, processing it, taking care to make sure fresh ice was on it this morning etc etc... When the trooper asked about our weekend I was happy to share a look at our success.

When the game warden informed me he was giving me the double citation I was stunned and said "Wow! How much does that cost?" He replied, "I don't know, but its not in my budget". I agreed with that statement. I didn't budget for this either.

Again, nothing against officers who are doing what they are paid to do. I just wish I had a more positive experience to report on.

I shot her from this stand high up in a native pecan. It really is a great set up that provided me a doe last year as well.

My main lesson outside of the obvious one? I will be a lot less chatty next time.

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Old 10-04-2009, 09:44 PM   #39
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Sorry it happened guys! Kinda puts a damper on a successful weekend!


However, I'm not surprised the Trooper called the GWs and I'm not surprised citations were issued, especially given the fact photos were taken. Most of us have superiors to whom we answer as I am sure the GWs do as well. The log on the license has been the most issued citation since its inception. It has been said on this site numerous times by various people. I don't view either as a minor infraction. If I am speeding and don't have my DL or insurance card, then I get 2 or 3 citations, all a Mis. C.

Sorry it happened, Steven! Hopefully, the Judge will have some sympathy. I realize I have a totally different outlook than many on this site and I don't always necessarily agree with all citations issued by GWs. However, if laws are broken, don't be surprised if citations are issued. Sorry your attitude has changed towards GWs. They were just doing their job as unpleasant as it was.
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:49 PM   #40
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Good call on the photos.
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:51 PM   #41
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$500 fine for not filling out the log on the back. They got my cuz in Brady a couple years ago. DPS stopped him for obstuction of his licence plate and noticed the deer in the back of the truck and called the GW. When he checked his licence he got cited. Very expensive hunting trip!
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:55 PM   #42
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Guys, I know it stinks to get a ticket, and we all feel like it was a situation where a warning was in order whenever it happens to us. But, the GWs were kinda painted into a corner, I imagine. When you take a picture of the GW holding a bag of obviously boned-out meat and tell them that the pics and story are going to be on a popular Texas hunting website......well, they pretty much have to write the tickets. Not only are a bunch of Texas hunters watching their handling of the situation now, but maybe their boss(es) are watching too. I suspect that they would have a hard time writing a warning when there are two violations so well-documented and promised to be publicized.

Maybe they felt bad about having to cite such nice folks, or maybe they enjoyed it. I don't know, but either way they probably didn't have much choice in that situation.

I hate that it happened, and I'd hate it even more if it happened to me! That's for sure. I'm sure I'd feel that I deserved a warning since I took the deer legally and had no intent whatsoever of breaking any kind of law or wasting any of the meat or anything like that. Ethical and legal aren't always identical, I guess. Stinks to get a ticket like that when you know somewhere out there, a guy was probably carrying home just the backstraps and antlers of a poached deer that was taken on his "long lease".
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:57 PM   #43
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That's dirty! Can't stand just about every GW I've come across! How much more obvious can you make it that you are not poaching or out to "cheat" and they still write you full blown ticketS? UUUGH
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Old 10-04-2009, 10:06 PM   #44
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I hate to say it but would think the camera helped you get the citation.I don't believe the GW has written warnings and would believe they sure would not want pictures taken of them not doing their job. I can sure see some YO YO trying to use this forum as a defense saying "Look judge these guys didn't get wrote up for processing their deer in camp and not documenting the kill on the back of the license". Just my opinion if a camera was to come out better do it by the book. I might be a little one sided being in a cop for 25 yrs but would sure go by the book if pictures were being taken to avoid any grief in the future.The GW did his job now its up to the JP in the court the citation is issued. Might be worth talking to him you never know possibly a reduced fine or dismissal. Just my two cent opinion take care.
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Old 10-04-2009, 10:07 PM   #45
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I too have had a bad experience with a GW last year. I do respect them and glad they are there but it left a bad taste in my mouth. It cost me almost a year back and forth with the prosecuting attorney, a big favor from a buddy that is an attorney only to show up for a jury trial to have it dismissed for lack of evidence that was brought up to the GW the day he issued the citation. Sorry guys at least it’s a good write up. Thanks for sharing the misery.
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Old 10-04-2009, 10:08 PM   #46
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When you take a picture of the GW holding a bag of obviously boned-out meat and tell them that the pics and story are going to be on a popular Texas hunting website......well, they pretty much have to write the tickets.
Not that it makes a difference, but I didn't initially take a picture of the warden holding the bag. After I took a few shots, he asked if I wanted a picture "with the evidence".

Again, they weren't wrong in writing the tickets. However, it does change my attitude in how I communicate with law enforcement. I'm sure they could care less about that. Wait, maybe that's part of the problem.

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Old 10-04-2009, 10:08 PM   #47
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When the game warden informed me he was giving me the double citation I was stunned and said "Wow! How much does that cost?" He replied, "I don't know, but its not in my budget".

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Old 10-04-2009, 10:08 PM   #48
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Guys, I know it stinks to get a ticket, and we all feel like it was a situation where a warning was in order whenever it happens to us. But, the GWs were kinda painted into a corner, I imagine. When you take a picture of the GW holding a bag of obviously boned-out meat and tell them that the pics and story are going to be on a popular Texas hunting website......well, they pretty much have to write the tickets. Not only are a bunch of Texas hunters watching their handling of the situation now, but maybe their boss(es) are watching too. I suspect that they would have a hard time writing a warning when there are two violations so well-documented and promised to be publicized.

Maybe they felt bad about having to cite such nice folks, or maybe they enjoyed it. I don't know, but either way they probably didn't have much choice in that situation.
I see your point but the DPS trooper gave Michael a warning and he also knew about Texasbowhunter.com. He knew the fact that he chose to issue a warning instead of a ticket. He even gave Michael his e mail address. He certainly did not feel painted into any corner. The whole plate on the trailer was gone! Meanwhile, I actually had my license and had tagged my game.

If anything, the DPS trooper looks like the kind of guy that was able to read the situation and use his disretion where his end of the law was concerned.

$500! Gulp!

Anyone have an idea on how much for processing beyond quartering? I'm by no means a rich guy. This will leave a mark.

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Old 10-04-2009, 10:14 PM   #49
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Not that it makes a difference, but I didn't initially take a picture of the warden holding the bag. After I took a few shots, he asked if I wanted a picture "with the evidence".

Again, they weren't wrong in writing the tickets. However, it does change my attitude in how I communicate with law enforcement. I'm sure they could care less about that. Wait, maybe that's part of the problem.

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Ahhh.......well, that does seem to be a little different then. Maybe they enjoyed it a little too much.

Leggy, I hope the judge is a little more "common sense" than the citing officer when it comes time to decide on a fine.
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Old 10-04-2009, 10:22 PM   #50
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I don't know the fine but ask for a deferal. This will only go on record with TP&W.Everytime a GW stops you it will come up and they'll probably look even harder. If they look hard enough they can get you on something.
(Example) How many of ya’ll have a written consent from the owner of your lease. How many of ya’ll carry this with you when your in the field.
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