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jshouse · 07-08-2013, 04:22 PM

well i was finally able to get some decent water on the plot today with the help of a buddy with a large tank and pump sprayer, still holding out for any kind of rain though.

was upset to see the newest round of pics and see that the big one had knocked a chunk of velvet off the tip of his left main beam, i found the piece of velvet in one of the feeder troughs yesterday and thought it was squirrel fur (strangely), it was recommended by someone that my feeder may have been to blame, and it was.

gonna be real interesting to see what he does now.

this primos cam takes good pics buy they need to be zoomed in:

unclefish · 07-08-2013, 04:49 PM

He's looking fine!

BIG BONE · 07-08-2013, 04:50 PM

he is a horse

Bone Thug · 07-08-2013, 04:55 PM

Cool thread!!!!

jshouse · 07-08-2013, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclefish

He's looking fine!

My plot isnt...lol. how are yours looking? I got some fertilizer out yesterday and water on it today, hope it helps.

unclefish · 07-08-2013, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jshouse

My plot isnt...lol. how are yours looking? I got some fertilizer out yesterday and water on it today, hope it helps.

Mine are toast. Neighbor let the cows in accidentally and they ate everything to the ground....plus we have not had any rain in a month. Very brown and very dry.

I suspect that my Durana Clover will take off again in the fall once cooler weather and rains come back.

jshouse · 07-09-2013, 09:47 AM

ah yes, i remember now, sorry to bring that back up....lol

surprisingly i have two pockets of clover that are holding fairly strong, i flooded them yesterday so maybe they will hold on a bit longer till i can water again.

EastTexasMan · 07-09-2013, 10:00 AM

I had to shred mine. Weeds over took the peas/beans. It was sad looking at all the cut stalks, but atleast they got 3 months out of it ....

Be nice if he dropped a drop tine out of that injured spot.

jshouse · 07-09-2013, 01:44 PM

that sucks man, the weeds arent too bad in mine, some grass and goat weed is starting to come up in patches but i am not to worried about them, being the first time planting this spot. i just need rain.

jshouse · 07-16-2013, 04:42 PM

hopefully the rain we got this week will help the peas/beans pull through for a big longer, half of the clover is doing good, the other half is still struggling.

here is big boy two days ago, the damaged left side is gonna be interesting, the mass is there though.

wellingtontx · 07-16-2013, 05:05 PM

Great looking deer. Cant wait to see how he finishes.

unclefish · 07-16-2013, 06:28 PM

What a great buck! Are those ticks on his horns or bumps?

jshouse · 07-16-2013, 08:08 PM

they are little bumps, he is gonna have several extra kickers and stickers this year. there is a clover plot off camera to the right, i am pretty sure he is crossing through it to get to that feeder.

unclefish · 07-16-2013, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jshouse

they are little bumps, he is gonna have several extra kickers and stickers this year. there is a clover plot off camera to the right, i am pretty sure he is crossing through it to get to that feeder.

Cool. I've seen ticks covering velvet antlers to the point it looked like they had leprosy.

jshouse · 07-16-2013, 08:39 PM

yeah me too, saw one hit by a car last year, had a bunch of ticks on the antlers

huntnfishtex · 07-16-2013, 09:05 PM

toad

Russ · 07-17-2013, 12:27 AM

Wow man! He's looking good! Looks like he might split a few more times!

Karmstrong · 07-17-2013, 12:53 AM

Nice looking place you have.

slomo · 07-17-2013, 08:56 AM

Beautiful property. I believe if i saw a deer like that id have a heart attack before i got my bow pulled back lol...

jshouse · 07-29-2013, 07:08 PM

havent gotten a pic of the big one about 10 days, really since we had 3-4 days of rain a few weeks ago. the plot has been taken over by goat weed, there are still some small pockets of peas and beans that are holding on but most of it was wiped out before the rain came a few weeks ago. half of the clover/chicory is doing pretty well, i will over seed it in september.

i have started hand corning some spots to try to catch the big one lurking and may try some alfalfa hay again.

unclefish · 07-29-2013, 08:00 PM

Do you dove hunt on ur place?

jshouse · 07-29-2013, 08:10 PM

no, i havent in about 20 years. there are dove all over it now though, i just havent had to urge to go hunt, especially since the day i saw that buck.

unclefish · 07-29-2013, 08:23 PM

I hear ya. I was hesitant to hunt mine too the first few years but we started hunting it opening weekend and killed a lot of doves and it didnt seem to affect the deer at all.

jshouse · 08-05-2013, 11:18 PM

well the big deer showed back up after being gone (from cams anyway) for 10 days, and then had two more young bucks show up this week that i am real excited to see and hope they can make it another few years. just like last time, the plots are all but done, i think it was a combination of planting a week or two late, not having enough land planted, and obviously lack of rain. the clover is holding on, but barely, need some rain bad.

i am probably a few weeks away from my first GLY session, which will be followed by a second one a few weeks after that, getting ready for some planting in early-mid september. i haqve some buck forage oats, wheat, and turnips left from my small plot last year for the big part of the plot and will be overseeding my clover patches with some durana if i can find it. i will probably try some winter peas too.

i dont know if i am going to expand the plot this fall or not but i definitely will next spring, hopefully adding at least another .5 acre or more, its just tough to make it bigger without being in view of prying eyes.

here is big and the two youngsters, the top one is 2 (was a spike last year) and i am hoping the droptine one is too but he may be 3...

unclefish · 08-05-2013, 11:31 PM

Man what a stud. His belly is more impressive than my FIL's. He ain't done growing yet either. He's still pretty round on the end of his points. Just a great buck. How old do you think?

I wanna see a LPD of him this year! Go get him!

I like the last buck with the kicker/droptine point. He will be awesome in a year or two.

jshouse · 08-05-2013, 11:42 PM

i think he is 6, pretty sure he was a 4 year old 10 the first year i saw him and a 5 year old 12 last year. i am almost as interested to see how much he weighs as i am to hold his antlers...lol.

that droptine buck will be awesome to watch if he can make it, and as a proponent of AR's i really hope he widens out a bit in the process...

jshouse · 08-05-2013, 11:48 PM

a buddy of mine went out with me today and put out some peanuts, he swears by them. he also bought some kind of molasses block he found for deer, it is all in front of that moultrie camera, with some apple corn, so we will see next weekend if they take to it.

we put some peanuts and deer nuggets out on another trail too that was covered up with deer last week when i hand corned it, will see how they like them compared to corn.

the peanuts are still in the shell, he said u can get 5lb bags at costco for $4.99, a bit cheaper than the powdered attractants at walmart.

texashunter56 · 08-06-2013, 01:13 AM

Great looking buck. Nice progression post also. I would be buying me a new protein feeder though, since that one has already caused him to break his mainbeam on that one side. That style feeder is very difficult for a buck of that size to eat out of without damaging his antlers in velvet.

jshouse · 08-06-2013, 01:27 AM

good call, i replaced it two weeks ago with a boss buck style 3-way feeder, and he wont touch it. last week i filled the other one and moved it over right in the middle of the two plots, he was back on it. gonna keep it full till the deed is done....or till he leaves me broken hearted again....

jshouse · 08-20-2013, 12:33 PM

here are few recent pics...the big deer is the only mature deer i have seen in over 2 months, there are still 4-5 bucks that would be shooters this year that i havent see yet this summer, so i poured some hand corn/rice bran on the ground at the front of the property to see what was moving up there and i get the big deer on it 3-4 days, even at 350pm. there are houses and goat pens/pig pens about 30 yards to the right of him in these pics. and that is the end of the property that i have to access it from so if he running around down there it is gonna change some things. really didnt want to see him up there.

here he is bringing up the rear to the protein, that is a failed clover plot behind him and the neighbors fence not to far from it.

here are the future shooters, i really like that tall 8 to the right and the other heavier one behind him in the first pic, i have both of them at 3 right now.

the tall one again on the right and the heavier one in the back left. that weird 6pt if probly gonna get an arrow from my buddy if he shows up, he is looking more and more like a 4.5 year old deer as the summer goes on, kind of cool looking though

RINCON · 08-20-2013, 01:45 PM

impressive...hope you get him.

Moose · 08-20-2013, 02:30 PM

He's a dang good looking deer, the key is going to be getting him to stick around once those bachelor group split. Are you feeding protein now? I went ahead and changed my gravity feeder to corn 2 weeks ago as they seem to like it more in the early fall than the protein- One thing is for sure, the deer in NE TX aren't real easy to pattern.

jshouse · 08-20-2013, 03:49 PM

Feeding protein and have 2 spinners with corn going too. He usually hits the protein and a spinner when he shows up. been having good luck with him on the hand corn too.

rcarlisle85 · 08-20-2013, 05:11 PM

Very cool stuff. I'll be following along.

jshouse · 09-10-2013, 08:43 AM

here are a few updated pics, not much going on out there right but filling feeders, the plot is done, we sprayed it a few weeks ago now just waiting on some rain to get the fall plot in, it will probably be after bow season opens. i am going to try to wait till i kill the big deer or he runs away with my soul again.

i did hang my tree stand yesterday on the southwest end of the plot and brushed in a pop up on the northwest side of the plot.

this is the pop up from a spot i have been hand corning, there is a feeder straight out in front, this spot is to your left and i have another hand corn spot to the right of it.

the tree stand

chum pile on a trail to the feeders off to the left when you are sitting in the stand, getting a bunch of pics of the big deer right there

small chum pile to the right

and feeders back behind me off to the left a bit

the big one is pretty much finished out, i love the tine length and MB's in this pic

from 1.5 year old to 6.5 year old

new 10 pt that showed up a few weeks ago, no more pics of him since though

deer on some hand corn

that 10 above is a buck i have seen for 3 years now too, 5.5 year old, looks like a baby next to the big one.

just gonna fill the feeders and watch the pics the next few weeks and try to decide of going in early in the morning will kill that deer. he shows up a few times a week around 5am, so that is kind of scaring me away from morning hunts but i will see what he is doing closer to the opener.

unclefish · 09-10-2013, 08:52 AM

Looks like a great setup. Man those bucks have some big bellies on them. I'll expect some LDP's on the 28th!

jshouse · 09-10-2013, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclefish

Looks like a great setup. Man those bucks have some big bellies on them. I'll expect some LDP's on the 28th!

thank you sir, you and me both! you like that goat weed plot in the background? hopefully next spring i wont have as much trouble with that stuff.

BIG BONE · 09-10-2013, 09:34 AM

what a toad, good luck this year

unclefish · 09-10-2013, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jshouse

thank you sir, you and me both! you like that goat weed plot in the background? hopefully next spring i wont have as much trouble with that stuff.

Man I have it too and its hard to get rid of. You can kill it but as soon as you plow again more seeds germinate. I need a no-till drill.

Moose · 09-10-2013, 11:50 AM

Good looking deer, I hope he stays fat and lazy in his old age and you get to knock him over. Seems like you're definitely due as much work as you've put in over the last couple of years.

Txdeerhunter243 · 09-10-2013, 12:24 PM

That one is a BRUTE! Best of luck, hope you get him!

jshouse · 09-10-2013, 03:31 PM

thanks guys, its been a long year...lol

Tshelly · 09-10-2013, 07:55 PM

Awesome story! I've got two I'm chasing as well. Much luck too you. I will be tuned in

GWHunter · 09-10-2013, 09:05 PM

Just awesome! Hope you get your hands on him soon, will be looking foward to LDP's!

brents45 · 09-10-2013, 09:20 PM

Good luck, very nice deer and place!

Aggieivy06 · 09-15-2013, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jshouse

thanks guys, its been a long year...lol

It's been a great year following you and that buck. You've worked hard and done everything right. The fun part is almost here and I can't wait to see you holding that rack this year. Good luck!

kyle1974 · 09-15-2013, 11:24 AM

What a cool thread, man I hope you smoke that dude JS!

FCTrapper · 09-15-2013, 11:31 AM

Your sleepless nights will hopefully end in a couple of weeks.

jshouse · 09-15-2013, 02:25 PM

thanks fellas, gonna go down tomorrow and put the finishing touches on the place, gonna mow the path the stand and need to add a few steps to the tree. probably just gonna wait a few weeks on the food plot since the rain chances for next week keep dwindling. hopefully i will have the bog one on the ground quick and i quit worrying about it all...lol.

jshouse · 09-17-2013, 05:05 PM

I went out today and mowed a new path through the north side of the pasture to give me a little easier access to my stand and found about 10 of these, most small and not bearing fruit but a few of them big and full of fruit, which was all eaten up to about 5ft off the ground...

http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jsho...tml?sort=3&o=3

I didnt recognize them without persimmons, but am stoked to see them there.

11 days. Hope.

Sorry the pic didnt work, i am on my phone.

08-05-2013, 11:18 PM	#174
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	well the big deer showed back up after being gone (from cams anyway) for 10 days, and then had two more young bucks show up this week that i am real excited to see and hope they can make it another few years. just like last time, the plots are all but done, i think it was a combination of planting a week or two late, not having enough land planted, and obviously lack of rain. the clover is holding on, but barely, need some rain bad. i am probably a few weeks away from my first GLY session, which will be followed by a second one a few weeks after that, getting ready for some planting in early-mid september. i haqve some buck forage oats, wheat, and turnips left from my small plot last year for the big part of the plot and will be overseeding my clover patches with some durana if i can find it. i will probably try some winter peas too. i dont know if i am going to expand the plot this fall or not but i definitely will next spring, hopefully adding at least another .5 acre or more, its just tough to make it bigger without being in view of prying eyes. here is big and the two youngsters, the top one is 2 (was a spike last year) and i am hoping the droptine one is too but he may be 3... Last edited by jshouse; 08-05-2013 at 11:21 PM.

08-20-2013, 03:49 PM	#183
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	Feeding protein and have 2 spinners with corn going too. He usually hits the protein and a spinner when he shows up. been having good luck with him on the hand corn too. Last edited by jshouse; 08-20-2013 at 04:01 PM.

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07-08-2013, 04:22 PM	#151
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	well i was finally able to get some decent water on the plot today with the help of a buddy with a large tank and pump sprayer, still holding out for any kind of rain though. was upset to see the newest round of pics and see that the big one had knocked a chunk of velvet off the tip of his left main beam, i found the piece of velvet in one of the feeder troughs yesterday and thought it was squirrel fur (strangely), it was recommended by someone that my feeder may have been to blame, and it was. gonna be real interesting to see what he does now. this primos cam takes good pics buy they need to be zoomed in:

07-08-2013, 04:49 PM	#152
unclefish Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Katy, TX Hunt In: Elk in CO....Deer in Lyons, TX	He's looking fine!

07-08-2013, 04:50 PM	#153
BIG BONE Pope & Young Join Date: Aug 2008	he is a horse

07-08-2013, 04:55 PM	#154
Bone Thug Pope & Young Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Angelo, TX Hunt In: Irion County	Cool thread!!!!

07-09-2013, 09:47 AM	#157
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	ah yes, i remember now, sorry to bring that back up....lol surprisingly i have two pockets of clover that are holding fairly strong, i flooded them yesterday so maybe they will hold on a bit longer till i can water again.

07-09-2013, 10:00 AM	#158
EastTexasMan Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: College Station, tx Hunt In: A pop up Blind in East Texas	I had to shred mine. Weeds over took the peas/beans. It was sad looking at all the cut stalks, but atleast they got 3 months out of it .... Be nice if he dropped a drop tine out of that injured spot.

07-09-2013, 01:44 PM	#159
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	that sucks man, the weeds arent too bad in mine, some grass and goat weed is starting to come up in patches but i am not to worried about them, being the first time planting this spot. i just need rain.

07-16-2013, 04:42 PM	#160
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	hopefully the rain we got this week will help the peas/beans pull through for a big longer, half of the clover is doing good, the other half is still struggling. here is big boy two days ago, the damaged left side is gonna be interesting, the mass is there though.

07-16-2013, 05:05 PM	#161
wellingtontx Ten Point Join Date: Feb 2009 Hunt In: Collingsworth County, Texas	Great looking deer. Cant wait to see how he finishes.

07-16-2013, 06:28 PM	#162
unclefish Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Katy, TX Hunt In: Elk in CO....Deer in Lyons, TX	What a great buck! Are those ticks on his horns or bumps?

07-16-2013, 08:08 PM	#163
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	they are little bumps, he is gonna have several extra kickers and stickers this year. there is a clover plot off camera to the right, i am pretty sure he is crossing through it to get to that feeder.

07-16-2013, 08:39 PM	#165
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	yeah me too, saw one hit by a car last year, had a bunch of ticks on the antlers

07-16-2013, 09:05 PM	#166
huntnfishtex Banned!!! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Liberty Hill Hunt In: Childress, lampasas, burnet Granger	toad

07-17-2013, 12:27 AM	#167
Russ Pope & Young Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wylie Tx	Wow man! He's looking good! Looks like he might split a few more times!

07-17-2013, 12:53 AM	#168
Karmstrong Four Point Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Flower Mound,TX Hunt In: Hico & Nemo	Nice looking place you have.

07-17-2013, 08:56 AM	#169
slomo Ten Point Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Abilene Hunt In: Taylor and Nolan county	Beautiful property. I believe if i saw a deer like that id have a heart attack before i got my bow pulled back lol...

07-29-2013, 07:08 PM	#170
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	havent gotten a pic of the big one about 10 days, really since we had 3-4 days of rain a few weeks ago. the plot has been taken over by goat weed, there are still some small pockets of peas and beans that are holding on but most of it was wiped out before the rain came a few weeks ago. half of the clover/chicory is doing pretty well, i will over seed it in september. i have started hand corning some spots to try to catch the big one lurking and may try some alfalfa hay again.

07-29-2013, 08:00 PM	#171
unclefish Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Katy, TX Hunt In: Elk in CO....Deer in Lyons, TX	Do you dove hunt on ur place?

07-29-2013, 08:10 PM	#172
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	no, i havent in about 20 years. there are dove all over it now though, i just havent had to urge to go hunt, especially since the day i saw that buck.

07-29-2013, 08:23 PM	#173
unclefish Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Katy, TX Hunt In: Elk in CO....Deer in Lyons, TX	I hear ya. I was hesitant to hunt mine too the first few years but we started hunting it opening weekend and killed a lot of doves and it didnt seem to affect the deer at all.

08-05-2013, 11:31 PM	#175
unclefish Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Katy, TX Hunt In: Elk in CO....Deer in Lyons, TX	Man what a stud. His belly is more impressive than my FIL's. He ain't done growing yet either. He's still pretty round on the end of his points. Just a great buck. How old do you think? I wanna see a LPD of him this year! Go get him! I like the last buck with the kicker/droptine point. He will be awesome in a year or two.

08-05-2013, 11:42 PM	#176
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	i think he is 6, pretty sure he was a 4 year old 10 the first year i saw him and a 5 year old 12 last year. i am almost as interested to see how much he weighs as i am to hold his antlers...lol. that droptine buck will be awesome to watch if he can make it, and as a proponent of AR's i really hope he widens out a bit in the process...

08-05-2013, 11:48 PM	#177
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	a buddy of mine went out with me today and put out some peanuts, he swears by them. he also bought some kind of molasses block he found for deer, it is all in front of that moultrie camera, with some apple corn, so we will see next weekend if they take to it. we put some peanuts and deer nuggets out on another trail too that was covered up with deer last week when i hand corned it, will see how they like them compared to corn. the peanuts are still in the shell, he said u can get 5lb bags at costco for $4.99, a bit cheaper than the powdered attractants at walmart.

08-06-2013, 01:13 AM	#178
texashunter56 Ten Point Join Date: Aug 2013	Great looking buck. Nice progression post also. I would be buying me a new protein feeder though, since that one has already caused him to break his mainbeam on that one side. That style feeder is very difficult for a buck of that size to eat out of without damaging his antlers in velvet.

08-06-2013, 01:27 AM	#179
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	good call, i replaced it two weeks ago with a boss buck style 3-way feeder, and he wont touch it. last week i filled the other one and moved it over right in the middle of the two plots, he was back on it. gonna keep it full till the deed is done....or till he leaves me broken hearted again....

08-20-2013, 12:33 PM	#180
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	here are few recent pics...the big deer is the only mature deer i have seen in over 2 months, there are still 4-5 bucks that would be shooters this year that i havent see yet this summer, so i poured some hand corn/rice bran on the ground at the front of the property to see what was moving up there and i get the big deer on it 3-4 days, even at 350pm. there are houses and goat pens/pig pens about 30 yards to the right of him in these pics. and that is the end of the property that i have to access it from so if he running around down there it is gonna change some things. really didnt want to see him up there. here he is bringing up the rear to the protein, that is a failed clover plot behind him and the neighbors fence not to far from it. here are the future shooters, i really like that tall 8 to the right and the other heavier one behind him in the first pic, i have both of them at 3 right now. the tall one again on the right and the heavier one in the back left. that weird 6pt if probly gonna get an arrow from my buddy if he shows up, he is looking more and more like a 4.5 year old deer as the summer goes on, kind of cool looking though

08-20-2013, 01:45 PM	#181
RINCON Ten Point Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas	impressive...hope you get him.

08-20-2013, 02:30 PM	#182
Moose Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Paradise, TX Hunt In: Wood/Wise County	He's a dang good looking deer, the key is going to be getting him to stick around once those bachelor group split. Are you feeding protein now? I went ahead and changed my gravity feeder to corn 2 weeks ago as they seem to like it more in the early fall than the protein- One thing is for sure, the deer in NE TX aren't real easy to pattern.

08-20-2013, 05:11 PM	#184
rcarlisle85 Six Point Join Date: Oct 2012	Very cool stuff. I'll be following along.

09-10-2013, 08:43 AM	#185
jshouse Pope & Young Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Rockwall Hunt In: NE Texas	here are a few updated pics, not much going on out there right but filling feeders, the plot is done, we sprayed it a few weeks ago now just waiting on some rain to get the fall plot in, it will probably be after bow season opens. i am going to try to wait till i kill the big deer or he runs away with my soul again. i did hang my tree stand yesterday on the southwest end of the plot and brushed in a pop up on the northwest side of the plot. this is the pop up from a spot i have been hand corning, there is a feeder straight out in front, this spot is to your left and i have another hand corn spot to the right of it. the tree stand chum pile on a trail to the feeders off to the left when you are sitting in the stand, getting a bunch of pics of the big deer right there small chum pile to the right and feeders back behind me off to the left a bit the big one is pretty much finished out, i love the tine length and MB's in this pic from 1.5 year old to 6.5 year old new 10 pt that showed up a few weeks ago, no more pics of him since though deer on some hand corn that 10 above is a buck i have seen for 3 years now too, 5.5 year old, looks like a baby next to the big one. just gonna fill the feeders and watch the pics the next few weeks and try to decide of going in early in the morning will kill that deer. he shows up a few times a week around 5am, so that is kind of scaring me away from morning hunts but i will see what he is doing closer to the opener.