New Zealand Shooting

[BobbyJoe]

Wish all of this would end - it's a sad world we live in. Prayers for all of those involved.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/multip...hooting-police

[scott1022]

Sad indeed.

[cantexduck]

Sad . He did video it. It was on a racist website last night. It is now pulled though. Guy used three different guns , each had writing all over it. He was in and out of the mosque for five minutes. No sirens heard in the video.

[JMKro]

Originally Posted by BobbyJoe

Wish all of this would end - it's a sad world we live in. Prayers for all of those involved.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/multip...hooting-police

Agreed. The amount of hatred some people have against those who are different than them blows my mind sometimes

[Quackerbox]

I just saw the video. He used 3 in what i saw but he had at least that many more. Slaughter isnt even what happened.

People ask why I wanted a short AR for a truck gun. This is why. The dude is literally unchallenged

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[Iehooligan11b]

It was hard to watch people just crawl up in a ball and wait for their bullet. One guy rushed him and the shooter was knocked down and if more people would’ve done the same I think the outcome would have been much different. Supposedly at the second mosque shooting someone returned fire and the shooter fled.

[Stoof]

This is why we can't have nice things.
Every act of political terrorism usually has the opposite effect of the desired outcome.
It breaks my heart and I just don't understand how people can have so much disdain for their fellow man. It also furthers my belief that the right to self defense is inalienable.
It is a sad state of affairs.

[AntlerCollector]

When Democrats ask why we need "x" amount of bullets, this is the answer! Further disarming of law abiding citizens enables this kind of crap to happen!

[-HIC-]

The video is disturbing, but does in fact show the majority killed where huddled in two separate spots yards from each other. The guy literally walked up to each huddled group and executed all of them.

The shooter was rushed by, or at least knocked off balance, by one guy fleeing at a doorway. If three more of the huddled would have been with him it could have been ended there by overpowering the POS scumbag.

Any return fire in this situation would have been good. This guy was unchallenged even when driving off. I have a short truck AR but have not found a great way to lock it up while having quick access. Given how confined the main shooting location was anyone with a handgun would have at least gone down fighting and could have likely ended the attack. The problem with relying on door security is shown in the vid. He was prepared for that and took out three people at the door immediately with a shotgun.

I hate to say it but this guy live streaming gives all of us an insight into what to do; better to die rushing the guy than huddled in a corner waiting on your bullet. I think all video of these mass shootings should be made available to the public. It is a slap in the face wake up call that doing nothing is the worst thing possible in these cases. I know people say it glorifies the act; however, if it mentally prepares a few people to act and save lives it is worth it. Police departments see these videos in order to know how to respond. The problem is the best first responders are already on-seen and huddled in groups.

Prayers for all the victims and their families.

[AntlerCollector]

Is there a link to the video? I think I want to see it so I can better be able to tell my family what to do if this happens

[coop2564]

My son is their in Christchurch he said people are shocked and very sad.

[-HIC-]

Originally Posted by AntlerCollector

Is there a link to the video? I think I want to see it so I can better be able to tell my family what to do if this happens

It is up on PirateBay and several other deep web sites. PM inbound with the link for a regular address. if you get 503, that does not mean the server is down it is just heavy traffic - just re-fresh until it loads.

[ramrod]

And to think New Zealand has rather strict gun laws.

[ttaxidermy]

That's as bad as it gets.. Horrible situation.. They were sitting ducks..
Many church goers that I know carry for this exact reason including myself..
One or two with a gun, that could shoot, could have stopped him..

[Clay C]

It's absolutely terrible. There are truly evil people in this world. It seems through his manifesto that one of his main goals was to help along a gun ban in the U.S. in order to start a civil war.

[ttaxidermy]

Originally Posted by Clay C

It's absolutely terrible. There are truly evil people in this world. It seems through his manifesto that one of his main goals was to help along a gun ban in the U.S. in order to start a civil war.

I'm not sure how he figured that shooting up New Zealand has an affect on anything in the US but I'm sure someone in the MSM is going run with it..
So yea maybe so..

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by ttaxidermy

I'm not sure how he figured that shooting up New Zealand has an affect on anything in the US but I'm sure someone in the MSM is going run with it..
So yea maybe so..

It was in his manifesto. It has been removed from a lot of places but is still out there. He spoke a lot of U.S. politics. He even stated he was a fan of Trump as a symbol of white nationalism but as a leader he strongly disliked him. It was long. Real long. Truly evil, sick individual.

[ATI]

Very classy y'all. I applaud and take my hat off to you for this thread and posts. These were not Christians, they were Muslims, yet you all still have it in your hearts to say nice things and relate to the victims and their families.
I was born a Muslim, not by choice but my parents gave me the right to choose and I chose to despise Islam (and pretty much all other religions), but it angers me more to see the amount of ignorance and hate towards Muslims in the west (and vice versa when I go to a Muslim country)
I appreciate you all and I'm glad there's still fairness, justice and unbiased sympathy in the world.

Thank you!

[Johnny Dangerr]

This is how you start WW3............

[-HIC-]

Originally Posted by ATI

Very classy y'all. I applaud and take my hat off to you for this thread and posts. These were not Christians, they were Muslims, yet you all still have it in your hearts to say nice things and relate to the victims and their families.
I was born a Muslim, not by choice but my parents gave me the right to choose and I chose to despise Islam (and pretty much all other religions), but it angers me more to see the amount of ignorance and hate towards Muslims in the west (and vice versa when I go to a Muslim country)
I appreciate you all and I'm glad there's still fairness, justice and unbiased sympathy in the world.

Thank you!

Their faith did not even cross my mind until you posted this up. This is a sick individual with twisted and deep seeded mental issues. I don't hate any person for skin color or religion. I strongly dislike any individual that wants to harm our country or refuses to assimilate to our culture.

[Charles]

Senseless act of hate.

Prayers sent.

[hog_down]

Originally Posted by ATI

Very classy y'all. I applaud and take my hat off to you for this thread and posts. These were not Christians, they were Muslims, yet you all still have it in your hearts to say nice things and relate to the victims and their families.
I was born a Muslim, not by choice but my parents gave me the right to choose and I chose to despise Islam (and pretty much all other religions), but it angers me more to see the amount of ignorance and hate towards Muslims in the west (and vice versa when I go to a Muslim country)
I appreciate you all and I'm glad there's still fairness, justice and unbiased sympathy in the world.
Thank you!

Well said, sir.

It saddens me that this is slowly becoming the norm worldwide, and a bunch of innocent people who were in a house of worship had to die. Don't think I want, or even could watch the video of the massacre. I read somewhere that sometimes the police in New Zealand don't even carry guns, because everything is so peaceful there, which is depressing in itself. Prayers for the victims.

[Crazy Horse]

just another cowardly P O S

[AntlerCollector]

Originally Posted by ATI

Very classy y'all. I applaud and take my hat off to you for this thread and posts. These were not Christians, they were Muslims, yet you all still have it in your hearts to say nice things and relate to the victims and their families.
I was born a Muslim, not by choice but my parents gave me the right to choose and I chose to despise Islam (and pretty much all other religions), but it angers me more to see the amount of ignorance and hate towards Muslims in the west (and vice versa when I go to a Muslim country)
I appreciate you all and I'm glad there's still fairness, justice and unbiased sympathy in the world.

Thank you!

Yessir! right and wrong is not a religion

[jer_james]

Terrible situation for all those Families - Just horrible.

[Slick8]

Very sad deal.

This makes it a safe operating environment for the cowards doing this.

Originally Posted by ramrod

And to think New Zealand has rather strict gun laws.

[flyby]

Originally Posted by -HIC-

Police departments see these videos in order to know how to respond. The problem is the best first responders are already on-seen and huddled in groups.

Prayers for all the victims and their families.

Disagree only with this part. First training on Active Shooters was wait until 4 officers on scene to go in with 360 degree coverage to address the shooter. Now that seems to be changing to every officer goes in to address, individually if necessary, to end the gunfight. Hopefully what you described didn't occur in this case.

[rladner]

Originally Posted by flyby

Disagree only with this part. First training on Active Shooters was wait until 4 officers on scene to go in with 360 degree coverage to address the shooter. Now that seems to be changing to every officer goes in to address, individually if necessary, to end the gunfight. Hopefully what you described didn't occur in this case.

I think he was referring to the victims as the first responders.

[ATI]

Originally Posted by flyby

Disagree only with this part. First training on Active Shooters was wait until 4 officers on scene to go in with 360 degree coverage to address the shooter. Now that seems to be changing to every officer goes in to address, individually if necessary, to end the gunfight. Hopefully what you described didn't occur in this case.

what do you know anyway!!!!

[-HIC-]

Originally Posted by flyby

Disagree only with this part. First training on Active Shooters was wait until 4 officers on scene to go in with 360 degree coverage to address the shooter. Now that seems to be changing to every officer goes in to address, individually if necessary, to end the gunfight. Hopefully what you described didn't occur in this case.

Ahh, I was not talking about police. You guys are great, once onsite, and the new tactics seem to be saving life.

I was referencing the victims in these shootings as the first responders since their life is on the line already.

[Txsurveyor2014]

Very sad and disturbing event. Prayers for the victims families and I agree with most everyone, that if you ever needed a reason to own, train with, and carry a weapon then this is it. These types of situations will continue to occur, but at a much smaller scale if people are allowed to defend themselves and others before the authorities arrive by being armed everywhere you go.

[flywise]

Psychotic mentally ill twisted man.

[profish2004]

Saddens me and disgust me at the same time. I would've never imagined I see in my lifetime the disdain for human life. The world has gone mad.

[UltraMax]

I watched it l. ONE guy tried to rush him and take the shooter down. Had three more people thought like that guy lots more people would not have died.

[TeamAmerica]

Originally Posted by ramrod

And to think New Zealand has rather strict gun laws.

Source for your understanding of new zealand gun laws? i read that one of the people attending the prayer was armed and shot back at the perp.

i personally know nothing of new zealand gun laws but seems many on here do.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by profish2004

Saddens me and disgust me at the same time. I would've never imagined I see in my lifetime the disdain for human life. The world has gone mad.

The world has always been a screwed up place. We just have more outlets to hear about happenings more frequently and instantly. We are currently living in the best time in human existence (although I do believe that is being threatened). Do not buy into the narrative that the world is going to &%^(. That is exactly what people like this scumbag shooter want.

[billythefish]

Originally Posted by -HIC-

The video is disturbing, but does in fact show the majority killed where huddled in two separate spots yards from each other. The guy literally walked up to each huddled group and executed all of them.

The shooter was rushed by, or at least knocked off balance, by one guy fleeing at a doorway. If three more of the huddled would have been with him it could have been ended there by overpowering the POS scumbag.

Any return fire in this situation would have been good. This guy was unchallenged even when driving off. I have a short truck AR but have not found a great way to lock it up while having quick access. Given how confined the main shooting location was anyone with a handgun would have at least gone down fighting and could have likely ended the attack. The problem with relying on door security is shown in the vid. He was prepared for that and took out three people at the door immediately with a shotgun.

I hate to say it but this guy live streaming gives all of us an insight into what to do; better to die rushing the guy than huddled in a corner waiting on your bullet. I think all video of these mass shootings should be made available to the public. It is a slap in the face wake up call that doing nothing is the worst thing possible in these cases. I know people say it glorifies the act; however, if it mentally prepares a few people to act and save lives it is worth it. Police departments see these videos in order to know how to respond. The problem is the best first responders are already on-seen and huddled in groups.

Prayers for all the victims and their families.

been in many shootings have you?

[Playa]

Originally Posted by billythefish

been in many shootings have you?

He never claimed to form his opinion based on 1st hand experience. He clearly stated what he observed from the video.

I know you have worked security and have military experience. Are you trained to huddle in a corner and cry and pray to ward off an armed assailant?

[UltraMax]

Somehow, this is Trump’s fault.

[billythefish]

Originally Posted by Playa

He never claimed to form his opinion based on 1st hand experience. He clearly stated what he observed from the video.

I know you have worked security and have military experience. Are you trained to huddle in a corner and cry and pray to ward off an armed assailant?

then how the **** is he qualified to suggest what should be done in that circumstance? Pretty **** disrespectful to pretty much every mass shooting thus far to suggest he knows how to prevent it don't ya think???

Love hearing people talk about what to do when the rounds are going down when they haven't been involved with it themselves. Pathetic.

[ca1219]

Originally Posted by billythefish

then how the **** is he qualified to suggest what should be done in that circumstance? Pretty **** disrespectful to pretty much every mass shooting thus far to suggest he knows how to prevent it don't ya think???

Love hearing people talk about what to do when the rounds are going down when they haven't been involved with it themselves. Pathetic.

I am assuming you only speak on matters you are qualified to speak on then?

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by billythefish

then how the **** is he qualified to suggest what should be done in that circumstance? Pretty **** disrespectful to pretty much every mass shooting thus far to suggest he knows how to prevent it don't ya think???

Love hearing people talk about what to do when the rounds are going down when they haven't been involved with it themselves. Pathetic.

He never said he knows how to prevent it. He said that we could learn from the video. As disturbing and tragic as it is, it could be used as a learning tool for LEO or concerned citizens.

Maybe you should come down off the high horse you seem to be strapped too. Other people have opinions on things. It happens. At least this time you didn't put words in his mouth in an attempt to make him look racist like you did in the pollution thread.

[billythefish]

Originally Posted by Clay C

He never said he knows how to prevent it. He said that we could learn from the video. As disturbing and tragic as it is, it could be used as a learning tool for LEO or concerned citizens.

Maybe you should come down off the high horse you seem to be strapped too. Other people have opinions on things. It happens. At least this time you didn't put words in his mouth in an attempt to make him look racist like you did in the pollution thread.

he never merely said we could learn: "given how confined the main shooting location was anyone with a handgun would have at least gone down fighting and could have likely ended the attack. "

Originally Posted by ca1219

I am assuming you only speak on matters you are qualified to speak on then?

Yes walk into a bar and tell a veteran or cop how you think combat and shooting situations should be dealt with and let me know how that goes. If you want to become a subject matter in all things that go bang or bleed then get the necessary training shut the **** up. In fact, go tell the victims of their families they should have done something differently. Don't pretend this is any different simply because it is on an internet forum.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by billythefish

Yes walk into a bar and tell a veteran or cop how you think combat and shooting situations should be dealt with and let me know how that goes. In fact, go tell the victims of their families they should have done something differently. Don't pretend this is any different simply because it is on an internet forum.

Okay. I will. I have several Veteran and Cop friends. In fact, i'll probably go down the hall into one of the several Veteran's offices here and have a conversation with them about it. I bet they will gladly partake in a discussion about it. You see, a lot of Veterans and Cops are rational people that like discussion.


Cops show up after the bullets start flying. It's important for us lowly civilians to use any opportunity we can to learn something that may save our lives.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by billythefish

he never merely said we could learn: "given how confined the main shooting location was anyone with a handgun would have at least gone down fighting and could have likely ended the attack. "

Thinking about something that could be done in a similar future situation. That's sounds like it fits the definition of something. Hold on I'll be right back. A light bulb just went off in my head but I need my dictionary.

[billythefish]

Originally Posted by Clay C

Okay. I will. I have several Veteran and Cop friends. In fact, i'll probably go down the hall into one of the several Veteran's offices here and have a conversation with them about it. I bet they will gladly partake in a discussion about it. You see, a lot of Veterans and Cops are rational people that like discussion.


Cops show up after the bullets start flying. It's important for us lowly civilians to use any opportunity we can to learn something that may save our lives.

there is a difference between rational discussion and someone telling everyone how things should be in a fire fight. you see the difference???

I see you are saying 'lowly civilians' to insinuate i think less of/think a civilian has no capability of self defense...clearly not the case.

"You see', there is a difference between carrying something for your own protection and telling everyone what you would do and people should do in a hostile situation.

The person is not qualified through experience or study to decide what one should do in a ****ing contact. You wanna go ahead and quarterback a surgeon???

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by billythefish

there is a difference between rational discussion and someone telling everyone how things should be in a fire fight. you see the difference???

I see you are saying 'lowly civilians' to insinuate i think less of/think a civilian has no capability of self defense...clearly not the case.

"You see', there is a difference between carrying something for your own protection and telling everyone what you would do and people should do in a hostile situation.

The person is not qualified through experience or study to decide what one should do in a ****ing contact. You wanna go ahead and quarterback a surgeon???

No. Because I will never find myself performing surgery. I could find myself in a situation where i'm getting shot at. So if we shouldn't think or talk about these things, are you willing to educate us on the matter?

[billythefish]

Originally Posted by Clay C

No. Because I will never find myself performing surgery. I could find myself in a situation where i'm getting shot at. So if we shouldn't think or talk about these things, are you willing to educate us on the matter?

whether you will find yourself doing surgery or not was not the point- it was that someone who isnt qualified to be a surgeon isn't someone I want telling me how to perform one!

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by billythefish

whether you will find yourself doing surgery or not was not the point- it was that someone who isnt qualified to be a surgeon isn't someone I want telling me how to perform one!

Okay. So then instead of calling him pathetic and using profanity right out of the gate, how about you try correcting him or telling him what may be a good or bad idea? I'm sure he would be appreciative for the opportunity to learn, as we all would.

[RJH1]

Originally Posted by billythefish

been in many shootings have you?

So what did he say that you disagree with? Is it better to die huddled in a corner than fighting back? Has huddling and praying stopped any mass shootings? Would firing back at the shooter not have at least slowed him down a little? I would really like to know what in your opinion is the thing to do?

None of this is as smarta s s as it sounds, but i think all these questions are valid. I didn't take his post as trying to tell everyone what to do, just what he though should possibly be done, if he is way off base, let us know what your training/opinion says we should do, i genuinely would like to know