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Old 10-06-2020, 04:33 PM   #1
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Default Q Honey Badger re-classified to SBR.

I wonder how this will affect other similar styled pistols??


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On August 3rd, 2020, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) issued Q® a formal Cease & Desist letter, notifying us that ATF has taken the position that the Q Honey Badger Pistol is a short-barreled rifle (“SBR”) regulated under the National Firearms Act (“NFA”). In response, Q has ceased all production of the Honey Badger Pistol, and submitted a comprehensive letter to ATF and the Department of Justice (“DOJ”) stating why we disagree with this classification[1]. Additionally, we have provided recommendations on how to address the firearms already in circulation. Q is seeking solutions that best protect you, the individual, and Q’s distribution network from falling out of compliance with ATF regulations, and federal law. At this time, Q has not received any definitive guidance from the ATF.

In the meantime, Q encourages possessors of the Honey Badger Pistol to take these proactive measures until a resolution is reached between Q and ATF.

Complete one of the following:

Remove the barreled upper receiver from the lower receiver and dedicate it as a replacement
for another AR-style pistol or registered short-barreled rifle; or

If you do not possess another AR-style pistol or registered short-barreled rifle, remove the barreled upper receiver from the lower receiver and temporarily transfer it out of your possession by, for example, transferring it to the dominion and control of another individual; and

Once the previous step is completed, you may file an ATF Form 1 to register the lower receiver as a short-barreled rifle. Upon Form 1 approval, the firearm may be reassembled.

Failure to complete option a or option b could result in prosecution and is subject to a $10,000.00 fine and up to 10 years imprisonment.

If you are concerned with this situation - as Q is - we urge you to contact the Department of Justice (ATF’s parent agency) by using the below OneClickPolitics link.
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I wonder if they (ATF) followed NFA laws when giving guns to murderous narco-terrorists?
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Oh don't worry, Trump is pro gun and will NEVER let our rights get taken away
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Oh don't worry, Trump is pro gun and will NEVER let our rights get taken away
Yup...why I'm voting for biden as he's making Puto the gun czar & both have our back according NRA & GOA.

WTH is your point??
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Yup...why I'm voting for biden as he's making Puto the gun czar & both have our back according NRA & GOA.

WTH is your point??
All the people who weren't upset about the bump stock ban now have this to look forward to...

And they'll all keep chanting about how NRA/POTUS/Republicans will stand up to more gun laws.
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Old 10-06-2020, 07:46 PM   #6
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[QUOTE=Artos;15148964]I wonder how this will affect other similar styled pistols??


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I don't see much of a difference between this and the SBA3 Brace. Is there something else on this firearm that they are looking at?
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Wonder why Q doesn’t offer a buy-back option or a way to get a tax stamp paid for.


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I don't see much of a difference between this and the SBA3 Brace. Is there something else on this firearm that they are looking at?
This is why I posted...just wanted everyone to be aware. I've never fondled one so can't make the comparison. If the mfg is confused & haven't been given a real reason.

Ironically, this gun was mentioned in the Brad Thor novel I was reading today called Near Dark & struck a chord.
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All the people who weren't upset about the bump stock ban now have this to look forward to...

And they'll all keep chanting about how NRA/POTUS/Republicans will stand up to more gun laws.
so vote biden...he'll assist.
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8 years of Obama had less effect on gun rights than 4 under the current administration. Keep those rose colored glasses on.
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I'm wondering why they singled out Q and not one of the bigger manufacturers that make braced pistols. Or maybe they did and Q is the only one that has spoken up.
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8 years of Obama had less effect on gun rights than 4 under the current administration. Keep those rose colored glasses on.
Too true!
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Just another reason I have never gotten into the AR pistol game.


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Looks like a rifle to me. Even the guy giving it a great review called it a rifle.
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I'm wondering why they singled out Q and not one of the bigger manufacturers that make braced pistols. Or maybe they did and Q is the only one that has spoken up.
I am a Q fan, but all the people that Kevin Brittingham has ****** off in the gun industry might have something to do with it. Would not surprise me if some of the bigger gun manufacturers were tipping off the ATF. Kevin is an innovator, bigger gun companies are imitators.
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Old 10-06-2020, 09:18 PM   #16
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8 years of Obama had less effect on gun rights than 4 under the current administration. Keep those rose colored glasses on.
Pssst...Barry is no longer the POTUS. You have 2 choices now.
I'll give you one guess who you have a better shot at keeping your guns with.



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8 years of Obama had less effect on gun rights than 4 under the current administration. Keep those rose colored glasses on.
Only because he lost Congress. Your point isn’t wrong, but to act like Biden or Obama aren’t more anti-gun than Trump isn’t exactly honest. Biden voted for the AWB and his VP (Real presidential candidates) helped disarm California. Not to mention recent rhetoric.

The bumpstock thing is one of my biggest gripes with Trump.
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Don’t worry, when the democrats get total control they’ll be coming for all of them. Supreme Court appointees won’t mean spit.
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Because it isn’t their fault. The ATF decided years ago that it can basically make stuff up as it goes. Stuff that people take as law today regarding NFA of just arbitrary crap some ATF guy came up with. Basically any firearms manufacturer today is subject to what is basically harassment like this at the whim of an out of control LE agency
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All the people who weren't upset about the bump stock ban now have this to look forward to...

And they'll all keep chanting about how NRA/POTUS/Republicans will stand up to more gun laws.
Are you living in 1990? I don’t know or can recall a single person standing up for the NRA besides Wayne himself in the last 5 years.
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I am a Q fan, but all the people that Kevin Brittingham has ****** off in the gun industry might have something to do with it. Would not surprise me if some of the bigger gun manufacturers were tipping off the ATF. Kevin is an innovator, bigger gun companies are imitators.
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As much as I want to laugh at KBs misfortune in this the reality is any new gun law is bad for us as a whole.
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As much as I want to laugh at KBs misfortune in this the reality is any new gun law is bad for us as a whole.
Seriously. He may be a DB, but this is bull crap no matter how the ATF justifies it. Just like the existence of the ATF in the first place.
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Only because he lost Congress. Your point isn’t wrong, but to act like Biden or Obama aren’t more anti-gun than Trump isn’t exactly honest. Biden voted for the AWB and his VP (Real presidential candidates) helped disarm California. Not to mention recent rhetoric.

The bumpstock thing is one of my biggest gripes with Trump.
No, but acting like Trump is actually pro gun is just as dishonest.
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Are you living in 1990? I don’t know or can recall a single person standing up for the NRA besides Wayne himself in the last 5 years.
I wasn't even born in 1990
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No, but acting like Trump is actually pro gun is just as dishonest.
I never said he was one way or the other. What I do know Is that if his opponents win we won’t have much of a chance for civil discourse. This isn’t the political landscape of the Obama years. Radicalism is mainstream now.
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That wasn't really directed at you, Clay.

More at the "Trump is God and can do no wrong" crowd.
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That wasn't really directed at you, Clay.

More at the "Trump is God and can do no wrong" crowd.
Besides bump stocks, where else has TRUMP eroded our rights. And, I'm not sure bump stocks have a good use.

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Comparing trump to what biden has announced what he intends to do & put puto in charge of is asinine regarding the 2nd...vote biden & see what the 1 or 2 scotus choices he or harris may vote in do to your 2nd vs the 3 trump has done for your grandkids.

Screw your bumpy's & focus on the long game!! Freak'n amazing how people pick the fly crap out of the pepper & miss the meat of the conversation. Really, gonna promote & vote biden over trump because of bump stocks?? What crazy pills are y'all taking??
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That wasn't really directed at you, Clay.

More at the "Trump is God and can do no wrong" crowd.
VS how much biden is going to improve our 2nd how...by pissing & moaning about all the bumpy's you can no longer own?? Where does your tds help in my op??

You totally & solely carjacked & crapped all over my thread not adding any value to the conversation.
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So they have finally caught on to the fact that no one is using stabilizing braces to stabilize anything except the firearm against their shoulder. This may be the beginning of the end for AR pistols. One of the next ones on their list to review has a SBA3 on it....

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VS how much biden is going to improve our 2nd how...by pissing & moaning about all the bumpy's you can no longer own?? Where does your tds help in my op??

You totally & solely carjacked & crapped all over my thread not adding any value to the conversation.
Well my apologies to your internet thread.

What is your response going to be When/if braces get ruled as stocks and the thousands of owners of them get told to register them, destroy them, or become a felon?


The "it could be worse" mentality is what has got us where we are.

Y'all have fun.
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When it came out, I thought the brace that Q chose for the honey badger pistol was blurring the line between “stock“ and “brace”. At that time the other options were things like the Sig brace and KAK shockwave, which are some of the worst brace designs now. They just sucked, and were only a slight upgrade to a slick buffer tube. Now there are a lot of better options available, like the SBA3 And CMMG “rip brace”. But, I feel like these are in the same category as the “Q” brace. It will be interesting to see what this means for braces like those, that are actually very functional when “misused”.

The ATF is fickle, and their tendency to reverse approval letters has made me wary of the whole “pistol” brace situation. Maybe some of the less functional designs are a safer bet, but who really knows?

No comment on the political turn this thread took. But, I will say: I think bump stocks are dumb, and I’m still 100% against them being outlawed.
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Well my apologies to your internet thread.

What is your response going to be When/if braces get ruled as stocks and the thousands of owners of them get told to register them, destroy them, or become a felon?


The "it could be worse" mentality is what has got us where we are.

Y'all have fun.
I was extremely critical...they took a plastic accessory & turned it into an illegal firearm worthy of extreme condemnation since there is no proof they were used in the evidence of the LV massacre. It's done. We all know a good sniper with a bolt action could have caused more fatalities vs the ruse being fed.

Let's focus on this new debacle please.
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I was extremely critical...they took a plastic accessory & turned it into an illegal firearm worthy of extreme condemnation since there is no proof they were used in the evidence of the LV massacre. It's done. We all know a good sniper with a bolt action could have caused more fatalities vs the ruse being fed.

Let's focus on this new debacle please.

Yup. And anyone who thinks the ATF making up and contorting laws started with Trump hasn’t been paying attention. The only reason pistol braces are in question to begin with is because the ATF sees itself as a de facto legislature.
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The only difference in that Q brace and a true PDW stock is a wrist strap. You play with that snake then get angry when it bites you. Ignorant. They should have stayed in their lane but Brittingham has never been good about that.

To follow that up I think the entire NFA should be repealed. And if you think a stupid stock is on Trumps radar at the moment then you’re a fool. Far bigger issues than defending someone trying to skirt around a long standing law. Whether we agree with it or not. You act like Trump can magically overule an entire branch of government at the wave of his magic wand.
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Fast & Furious compared to the bumpy is an insult to ones intelligence in regards to comparing obama's 2nd legacy...the ignorance abounds as does the TDS.


So can Q simply start using the strap?? In their statement, it sounds like they got zero guidance if that's the simple solution.
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Maybe if Trump wins and gets 4 years with no consequences he'll repeal the NFA?
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That wasn't really directed at you, Clay.

More at the "Trump is God and can do no wrong" crowd.
Keep on voting Biden old timer. See how that works out for us

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I'm wondering why they singled out Q and not one of the bigger manufacturers that make braced pistols. Or maybe they did and Q is the only one that has spoken up.
They didn't single them out, they just got the first letter. This has been in the works. Several progun congressmen have been writing the BATFE asking them not to do this, so it's been in the works for a while. There will be a log jam to SBR AR pistols.
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As further evidence, mind you this is from 2017:

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Just the ATF being the ATF, reclassifying things left and right. Changing decisions for no reason and having the ability to do this and work unconstitutionally. Defund the ATF


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Time for ATF to just let be whatever you want to call it and do away with the SBR BS. Just stupid, stupid, stupid. The AR is just legos for grown men.
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Time for ATF to just let be whatever you want to call it and do away with the SBR BS. Just stupid, stupid, stupid. The AR is just legos for grown men.
That describes 90% of all laws.
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Maybe if Trump wins and gets 4 years with no consequences he'll repeal the NFA?
He lame ducked the HPA I'm sure another 4 years won't change that especially with the senate being at risk of being flipped too.
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Wonder what the over/under is on this affecting the million other braces.
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Wonder what the over/under is on this affecting the million other braces.
This is the big picture. This was a SB tactical brace.
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For all you guys in here that want to support a group that will actually fight back against unjust and unconstitutional laws/rulings check out and donate to FPC Firearms Policy Coalition and stop supporting the NRA.
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