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Old 06-27-2020, 11:03 AM   #1
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Hey tribe -

So, little bit of a deceptive title, but let me explain. I've never bought a rifle for myself. Never had to. I used my grandfather's when he passed away, and I've had my dad's collection since he moved on. I've got pretty much everything covered in terms of caliber. I have a fun lever action .38/.357 that I've killed many a hog with. A .243 bolt, .270, and the prize of the collection - my old man's .300 win mag.

All that said, I'm getting this strange itch to put my mark on the collection that I will ultimately hand down to my kids. I have an AR that I put together for fun, sure, but that's not a hunting gun. I want to put some memories through something that I've saved for, earned, and put along side the family guns with stories.

Here's the caliber question - I don't want a specialist gun; I'm not a specialist hunter. I will shoot hogs at 15 yards, deer at 40 all the way out to 300, and whatever else I can. I want a bit of a do-it-all without worrying about being underpowered.

Options in this rifle are:
6.5 creedmoor
300 weatherby
.308 winchester
6.5-300 wthby mag
7mm rem mag

Right now I'm leaning toward the .300 weatherby and .308, in that order. I know everyone is in love with the creedmoor but I just don't see the advantage at distance over the other available calibers. The last two I know nothing about.

Any constructive advice?

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Old 06-27-2020, 11:07 AM   #2
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Seems to me you need a good varmint rig...if your .270 & Dad's 300 are good shooters I see no reason for a 308 or wby.

If I were in your shoes, I would get a 22-250 or a 220 swift to round out the calibers...nothing funner than speed demons.
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Seems to me you need a good varmint rig...if your .270 & Dad's 300 are good shooters I see no reason for a 308 or wby.

If I were in your shoes, I would get a 22-250 or a 220 swift to round out the calibers...nothing funner than speed demons.
This.

But if you want something off that list, Iíd skip the weatherby.
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Old 06-27-2020, 11:41 AM   #4
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Yep I agree with Artos the nod going to to 22/250 if you don’t reload
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Old 06-27-2020, 11:42 AM   #5
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For hogs and deer in Texas itís hard to beat the boring 308
-A gazillion bullets options that are readily available
-not much recoil

*disclaimer- Iíve got a plenty of calibers, but Iím a 308 fan boy. In my opinion itís hard to beat a 308 bolt gun with a 20Ē barrel for Texas critters
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Old 06-27-2020, 11:49 AM   #6
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Second vote for a .308. Love my ruger American. Great gun that wonít break the bank.


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Old 06-27-2020, 11:52 AM   #7
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I agree on the 308.
Ammo can be found anywhere, and it won't break the bank when you find it like WBY.
You have a .300 so we can eliminate the 7mm.
6.5 well, it's all been said already
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308 or a classic 30-06.
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Old 06-27-2020, 12:13 PM   #9
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6.5 PRC is a good in between for what you have, or a fast 22 varmint gun.
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Old 06-27-2020, 12:18 PM   #10
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.243 will do what you're asking and you can even shoot lighter 58 grain bullets at varmints out of one. Light recoil for people that are recoil sensitive and hits hard enough to kill any deer or hog in Texas at 300+ yards if you do your part.

If you just want something different the 22-250 is a good one. I wouldn't push it too far on deer sized animals but there have been deer killed with that cartridge.

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Old 06-27-2020, 12:26 PM   #11
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Iím of the opinion that everyone should have a 308. Itís a good mid range utility cartridge. It can do a lot from a 16 to 24 inch barrel.

The 6.5 prc is a good alternative but not near as many factory options in ammo.

If it were me Iíd build a 308 in a custom action (defiant, kelbly, impact, etc)


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Old 06-27-2020, 01:17 PM   #12
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Iím of the opinion that everyone should have a 308. Itís a good mid range utility cartridge. It can do a lot from a 16 to 24 inch barrel.

The 6.5 prc is a good alternative but not near as many factory options in ammo.

If it were me Iíd build a 308 in a custom action (defiant, kelbly, impact, etc)


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Thatís like putting nitrous and a cage on a V6 mustang
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Old 06-27-2020, 01:19 PM   #13
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Thatís like putting nitrous and a cage on a V6 mustang

Lmao I guess thatís true but Iíll clarify that by saying if I was looking to build a gun to hand down thatís the route Iíd go. Otherwise I would agree!!


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Old 06-27-2020, 01:26 PM   #14
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Stick with a round where ammo is readily available and affordable.
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I don't think any of the calibers you listed are going to be "do-all" guns. Maybe look at 28 Nosler?
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Old 06-27-2020, 01:31 PM   #16
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Or a 7-08. I know, not on the list. Good luck with your search!
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Old 06-27-2020, 02:01 PM   #17
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Guys - all of you are terrific. Thank you for all the advice and guidance. I should have been a little more clear. The gun platform I'm looking at only has the calibers listed available. It's a 28" barrel, bolt action, but I don't know the twist. Maybe that helps.

If I was going to take 'bigger game' such as elk and bear off the list but go all the way down to a varmint gun - shooting yotes and bobcats - what would you suggest of what's listed? Maybe the 6.5 (though I hate to say it)?
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Guys - all of you are terrific. Thank you for all the advice and guidance. I should have been a little more clear. The gun platform I'm looking at only has the calibers listed available. It's a 28" barrel, bolt action, but I don't know the twist. Maybe that helps.

If I was going to take 'bigger game' such as elk and bear off the list but go all the way down to a varmint gun - shooting yotes and bobcats - what would you suggest of what's listed? Maybe the 6.5 (though I hate to say it)?
Depends if you're wanting to save fur or not but a ,.223 is my go to for varmint huntin as well as a 22-250. The 250 is a little rougher on fur at times but if that's not a concern then I'd go with a 22-250.
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28" is really long & not needed for the 6.5...I would take a look at some other options or even consider a custom build if the budget fits.

The good ole vssf remington in a 22-250 or swift is pretty tough to beat if you want a heavy varmint rig.
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Old 06-27-2020, 02:40 PM   #20
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22-250 all the way. You have everything else covered to perfection.
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6.5 PRC is a good in between for what you have, or a fast 22 varmint gun.
This would be my choice also.
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Dang.. what guns come with a 28Ē barrel? Thatís longggg
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28" is really long & not needed for the 6.5...I would take a look at some other options or even consider a custom build if the budget fits.

The good ole vssf remington in a 22-250 or swift is pretty tough to beat if you want a heavy varmint rig.
X2. What gun are you looking at? That will help identify your budget and open up a lot of options.
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Old 06-27-2020, 04:56 PM   #24
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Dang.. what guns come with a 28Ē barrel? Thatís longggg
I misspoke. One caliber configuration of the gun I'm looking at comes with 28, but not the 6.5. My fault.

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X2. What gun are you looking at? That will help identify your budget and open up a lot of options.
Call me a fanboy, but I'm looking at the weatherby vanguard meateater edition. Link here: MeatEater Edition
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:59 PM   #25
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Well you have time to make up your mind as most of those seem to be 30 days out and thanks for make me look again, just wonder if the 6.5-300, i.e. .264 Win Mag Plus, is a barrel burner
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of what you listed the 308 would get the nod ,,,, but anything with a 28" barrel is going to be left behind more often than not,,,, but i would add the 7mm08 and if the rifle i was thinking about didn't come in that caliber... i would be thinking about a different rifle all together.....
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I know is not on your list but look at the 7mm-08. Out of the selection you already have, the 7mm-08 would be the one to add to the collection.
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I like the 300 Weatherby, it's a nice caliber. But with 24" and 26" barrels, it's not much more than a 300 Winchester Mag. The Weatherby uses noticeably more powder, but can't burn all that extra powder with a 24" or 26" barrel. I have one, that I plan on putting a 28" barrel on. Same would go for the 6.5-300 Weatherby.

If you want a caliber you can buy an factory rifle and it work good, I would probably look at the 7mm Rem. Mag. with a 26" barrel, likely some 5R rifling, such as a older Remington 700. If you are doing a custom rifle, a 28" barrel 300 Weatherby would be nice, with some 4R or 5R rifling.

A 308, is a nice round, but never been crazy about all of the bullet drop, of a typical 308 round, yea, you can get scopes with bullet drop compensator turrets, but the bullet drop is still there. But out to only 300 yards, the bullet drop of a 308, is not really a big deal. Also, now that I am thinking about it, if you are only shooting out to 300 yards, you are just getting started in a 300 Weatherby Mag's range. Really the same goes for the 7mm Rem. Mag., yea you can use a 7mm Rem. Mag. at closer ranges than 300 yards, but a 7mm Rem. Mag. with some good ammo will do some serious damage inside of 300 yards. Just like a 6.5-300 Weatherby Mag. and a 300 Weatherby Mag.

The 6.5 Creedmoor, is not a bad little round, that would have very little bullet drop out to 300 yards. I would say the 6.5 Creedmoor or the 308 Win. would be your better choices for the ranges listed. The 7mm-08, would also be a good choice.
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Over thinking it.

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I misspoke. One caliber configuration of the gun I'm looking at comes with 28, but not the 6.5. My fault.



Call me a fanboy, but I'm looking at the weatherby vanguard meateater edition. Link here: MeatEater Edition
I love weatherby but imo for that price there are better options. If you're set on that gun I'd go with the 6.5-300wby just because. I really like my 6.5, it's cheap to shoot, has no recoil and has killed everything I've used it on but it won't do anything your current mix doesn't cover
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Or a 7-08. I know, not on the list. Good luck with your search!
I second this! 7mm-08 has become my favorite go to cartridge. 400yds and in it will handle anything in TX. I think it is the best of both worlds between the .308 and the .243. Hard hitting and low recoil. What more could you want in a Texas hunting cartridge?
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I love weatherby but imo for that price there are better options. If you're set on that gun I'd go with the 6.5-300wby just because. I really like my 6.5, it's cheap to shoot, has no recoil and has killed everything I've used it on but it won't do anything your current mix doesn't cover
Me too on the Weatherby. I used a .300 exclusively for years. If going with a Weatherby rifle in .300 I would certainly recommend a Mark V action.
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I just checked that rifle out online and it seems that the barrel lengths are 24-26" depending on caliber. Out of what is available i personally would choose 308.
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I currently have in my stable, 22-250, 243, 25-06, 308, 30-06. Every one of them kill deer and hogs. The 22-250 is pretty much retired do to age but we bring it out to let some first timers shoot about once per year, it has far more kills than any of the others and it is fun to shoot it is an old 788 model, all the rest are 700's all have had the triggers replaced and set at 2 pounds or less some have more mods all of them see work every year and have not failed to do their part if we do ours. But to me the 2 that are the most fun to shoot is the 22-250 first and the 25-06 second.
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since i want a 22-250...you should get one....one of us should be happy!
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From the list you provided: 308 gets er done.
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Seems to me you need a good varmint rig...if your .270 & Dad's 300 are good shooters I see no reason for a 308 or wby.

If I were in your shoes, I would get a 22-250 or a 220 swift to round out the calibers...nothing funner than speed demons.
I am with Artos here, 270 is so versatile and your covered on the top end with 300 M. Like you I am covered for but still almost pulled the trigger on a 280 A.I.
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well, to be fair 'everybody' who hunts with a long gun needs a 280AI before they die or quit killing deer...been shooting one way before they were cool.
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So did you pick up your meateater super edition yet? What caliber did you choose?
I have a regular old vanguard s2 in 30.06 that I like a lot even though its not as cool as the one Steve put together.
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.22-250 is a good rec

with the winny you've got I'd take the mags and the 300 weatherby off your list.

also might consider a 7mm-08 as an alternative to another .30 cal.
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Too bad they dont offer in 7mm-08 or better yet .280ai. Those would be excellent choices.
Of the ones listed I would go .308.
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Iíd go with a 30-06 in a Remington 700 bdl. Itís a timeless classic
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This thread is a fascinating study in "reading comprehension."
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I misspoke. One caliber configuration of the gun I'm looking at comes with 28, but not the 6.5. My fault.



Call me a fanboy, but I'm looking at the weatherby vanguard meateater edition. Link here: MeatEater Edition
The barrel twists on that models options in 7mm and 300's are geared towards light to mid bullet weights.

Being a 7# rifle, you may wish to consider if you want a brake or not as a 300WBY for example is going to let you know its there at 7#+scope.

I think the 6.5 options are the best choice for that platform, both 1:8" fast twist will let you shoot most any 6.5 bullet.

That 6.5-300wby is smoking fast.

I am a huge fan of the 243 and 7-08 as youth rifle options but I've become even a bigger fan of the 6.5CM for the same.
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What about a “ texas” gun, 257 Weatherby. For some reason when ever I hear the 257 Weatherby I think it would be a great all around gun for living down there, any where really but just seems to fit Texas.
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I'm a .243 fan myself. Just make sure you get the right twist to stabilize 100 grain bullets well.

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.308 I have a 300 Wby and it's a beating to shoot over six or seven times in a session at my age.
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6.5 PRC is a good in between for what you have, or a fast 22 varmint gun.
I really like the idea of the 6.5 PRC but I don't really want to add another caliber to the fold while ammo choices are limited.
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