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Old 06-01-2016, 09:35 PM   #1
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It seems as if a guy can have 50% more horsepower in 2wd or have 4x4 for about the same price. If so, what would you choose? 30-35 hp 4x4 or 45-50 hp 2wd.

Even with a ton of rain this year I can still get around most places on my property in 4x4 in my truck, so just not 100% sure I need a 4x4 tractor. It will be for mowing, maintaining roads and putting in food plots on my 160 acre place. Would like to stay under 15k with implements. Is this a pipe dream? Needing to get something bought pretty soon. Thanks for any suggestions.
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1st. 4x4 will pay for its self in everything you mentioned except mowing.

2nd. For 160 acre place your looking at too small of a tractor
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What's a good size? Looking used of coarse.
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Fifty to sixty hp and 4wd if you have a loader. If you don't have a loader, 4wd is more of a luxury IMO. That said, I have a backhoe, but it's not always where I need it. I'll never buy another tractor without a loader and 4wd.
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I'm running a 52hp 4x4 Kubota and have a little over 400 acres it can be done takes some time but it works.


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I have a 47hp 4x4 Kubota and only 20 acres. Sometimes it's too small. But I wouldn't be able to do much without 4x4. My place is pretty hilly though


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It seems as if a guy can have 50% more horsepower in 2wd or have 4x4 for about the same price. If so, what would you choose? 30-35 hp 4x4 or 45-50 hp 2wd.

Even with a ton of rain this year I can still get around most places on my property in 4x4 in my truck, so just not 100% sure I need a 4x4 tractor. It will be for mowing, maintaining roads and putting in food plots on my 160 acre place. Would like to stay under 15k with implements. Is this a pipe dream? Needing to get something bought pretty soon. Thanks for any suggestions.
Bigger is usually better but for your situation I would want at a minimum a 70hp 4wd. Once you have it you usually don't go back to 2wd. Not a necessity but is sure is nice when you need it.
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Anything to worry about buying an older tractor? I know a guy who has a 1982 John Deere 80 hp 4x4 with loader. Has around 2700 hrs. Can be bought for around 13k. Deal or no deal?
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Anything to worry about buying an older tractor? I know a guy who has a 1982 John Deere 80 hp 4x4 with loader. Has around 2700 hrs. Can be bought for around 13k. Deal or no deal?
Sounds like a good deal. Unless you are mechanically inclined I'd hire someone or take it to a dealership to have it checked out. Spending a little money upfront can save you some misery down the road.
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Sounds like a good deal. Unless you are mechanically inclined I'd hire someone or take it to a dealership to have it checked out. Spending a little money upfront can save you some misery down the road.


He's someone I know and trust. Our boys grew up playing baseball together. He's recommending upgrading to a joystick control and it needs control box seal work. I think it would be around $1k for those two items.
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He's someone I know and trust. Our boys grew up playing baseball together. He's recommending upgrading to a joystick control and it needs control box seal work. I think it would be around $1k for those two items.
Which model JD? It sounds like you are describing a 2755.
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which model jd? It sounds like you are describing a 2755.


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4wd will make up 10 hp IMO, a small tractor can just about do anything a bigger tractor will do except slower. So that would be about how much coin you want to spend. Also a tractor really needs a front end loader, they are so useful is more ways anyone can list. Just one example I have a 2wd tractor and I have been stuck more times than I can count, but I use the FIL to push my way out every time
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Also look at Mahandra tractors, great tractors for less $$$
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Bigger is usually better but for your situation I would want at a minimum a 70hp 4wd. Once you have it you usually don't go back to 2wd. Not a necessity but is sure is nice when you need it.


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He's someone I know and trust. Our boys grew up playing baseball together. He's recommending upgrading to a joystick control and it needs control box seal work. I think it would be around $1k for those two items.


Better option than small tractor
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:57 PM   #17
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Don't get too caught up in the bigger is always better deal. Of course in a perfect world with no limitations then yes, get an enclosed cab w the biggest hp available lol. I have done a lot of work, some of very demanding work, off a New Holland 30hp, 4wd. I haven't found anything it couldn't do for me. 4wd is a must imo. Keep in mind the size if you need to trailer it and don't have a big enough trk and trlr. I also feel a loader is a necessity. I do about the same type work you described, mow,food plots, moving dirt, driveway work etc. Ive even used it some to lift roll up doors on shops that my son installs. Don't let a lower hp tractor fool you, they can work. It sounds like your deal isnt too bad, just a little leary on the work needed. Good luck.
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55-75hp 4wd will do everything you need.
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I have a 32 HP Kubota 4x4 with 5' loader and 5' shredder. We have 240 acres. We don't farm (we sub it out). I use tractor to mow trails, around the yard and hunting stuff (food plots, loading feeders and moving stands). It's a great size and gets the job done. Before I had my tractor, I borrowed my cousins 2wd tractor - it had a hard time making it around our place - it's Oklahoma sand hills. I looked at new ones, but pulled the trigger on a well maintained used one. Good luck!
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Not a bad tractor. We have a 2840 and it's been solid the engines are great. Hydraulics can be finicky. Make sure the hi-lo works. If it shifts good then not much to worry anout.

Cab or no cab?
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Old 06-02-2016, 12:20 AM   #21
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We have a Kubota that's is around 47/48 horsepower 4*4 and does everything we needed it to do so far. We mostly mow and use it for road grading and have a pretty good size ranch. Ours is plenty for what we do, only down fall is power wise when trying to clear thick Mesquite's
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Get the biggest you can afford better to have more tractor then you need. And get a kubota
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Like m16 said. Min 70 hp
And I don't know why they make a 2wd tractor, useless to me. Even a big 2wd with a small bucket on front full of dirt is a nightmare. Hp is useless if the tires are always spinning
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No cab.
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Go for the four wheel drive. I had two wheel drive and its annoying trying to back out with a load in front end loader.
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A lot of folks that will swear by the 4x4 are normally people with undersize HP for the work they are doing or weight using bucket.

You will get way more bang for the buck on a used tractor bigger HP and 4x4 if you want it than buying the "trailer" package type undersize tractors. That is if you plan on doing any bigger type work on larger acreage (plowing larger plots, bigger shredding, etc).

If it is just going to be a once a month type situation for light shredding etc find you one of those smaller used units and save some $.
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Old 06-02-2016, 07:37 AM   #27
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Most of the newer tractors under 65 hp are made in India (CaseIH, John Deere). 4x4 is needed if you have a loader, if not there is not enough weight on the front of the tractor that your back tires can't handle.

Buying a used tractor, you want to be able to run through all the gears. Take a rag and a can of diesel, use it to wipe down the side of the engine, run the tractor for at least 10 minutes to see if there are any leaks. Idle it down low and bring the rpm's up to the range to power the pto, especially during the low idle, make sure the engine is running smooth. Look for leaks on the loader around the hydraulics. To be honest, you are better off just bringing someone that knows what to look at. There's a lot of things that can be wrong.
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I had my first tractor buying experience 20+ years ago. I knew a little about tractors but not a whole lot. I was planning on buying a smaller 40-50 hp. I took a buddy along that knew tractors and what they could do. He convinced me to buy a 70hp. I didn't want to spend the extra money but didn't want to get something that was too small. I'm still using that tractor and it is worth dang near what I payed for it. It will handle a 15 foot batwing shredder. A ten foot tandem disk etc.

Would a smaller tractor with smaller implements have worked? Sure it would. But is your time worth something. Do you want to spend twice as long getting a job done?

I think you'd like the JD you are looking at. Older tractors have more weight in them. Newer tractors are being built lighter and lighter. This is a bad thing since weight helps a lot with traction. That's one reason why new tractors almost have to have 4wd. Older 2wd tractors perform very well. Water in the rear tires and wheel weights do help.
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Definitely get the 4x4.

How big of food plots are you planning on doing? How many acres approximately will there be to maintain via shredding?
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I had my first tractor buying experience 20+ years ago. I knew a little about tractors but not a whole lot. I was planning on buying a smaller 40-50 hp. I took a buddy along that knew tractors and what they could do. He convinced me to buy a 70hp. I didn't want to spend the extra money but didn't want to get something that was too small. I'm still using that tractor and it is worth dang near what I payed for it. It will handle a 15 foot batwing shredder. A ten foot tandem disk etc.



Would a smaller tractor with smaller implements have worked? Sure it would. But is your time worth something. Do you want to spend twice as long getting a job done?



I think you'd like the JD you are looking at. Older tractors have more weight in them. Newer tractors are being built lighter and lighter. This is a bad thing since weight helps a lot with traction. That's one reason why new tractors almost have to have 4wd. Older 2wd tractors perform very well. Water in the rear tires and wheel weights do help.


Yep. Mine would sit a lot more if it were 2WD. And I added fluid to the tires the first week.
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Take the majorities advise 4x4 and remember you can never have too much horsepower.
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I've had a Lot of different tractors....
4 WD and Front end Loader are Mandatory regardless of horsepower.
Can't imagine working around the place without a FEL.
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Old 06-02-2016, 09:27 AM   #34
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I had a John Deere 5053E (53 HP) 2 wheel drive with a front end loader and for 100 acres it wasn't big enough. I traded that one in on a 5065E 4 wheel drive about 4 years ago and it was the best thing I could have done. Buy the biggest 4 wheel drive with front end loader you can afford. You will not be disappointed.

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Agree with all the above. Most older tractors were longer coupled (axle to axle). No need for counter balance on the rear for a fel. To me they seemed to have more traction. Most newer tractors are way too compact and light. If you go new, look for a tractor that doesn't require rear weight to lift full capacity of the fel.

Agree on a FEL must have but I will go one step farther. Most older tractors had pined buckets. Changing from bucket to forks etc was a chore for me. I use forks 60% of the time. New FELs have a quick change attachment and are worth their weight in gold. No more trying to shove or lift a heavy bucket around to line up pins. Drive up and drop it. Drive up and lift to hookup. If you buy a older tractor with a FEL you could probably change it over to a quick attach fel.
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I would get that JD your buddy has. It will do everything you will need. Cab is nice till you start busting out glass and AC stops working. I just replaced the rear glass in my JD from a thrown rock from my lawnmower. Open station isn't bad, 80 HP is a great size, 4x4 is a big plus, and FEL is a must. GET IT!

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Sorry forgot the HP/4x4 question. HP is determined by the kind of work you are doing. If you have a loader, get 4x4. See what kind of implents you are going to use: brush hog, disc, etc... What kind of weight are you going to lift with the loader? Hay bales, deer feeders? If buying used, go to tractor data.com it will give you the stats on the tractor. We have 5 Internationals that are all 2wd. 574, 574, 886, 886, 966.
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for more insight start a new thread asking how many people have been through multiple tractors due to up sizing or adding 4x4. There is a long list of those people here, I'm on my 4th...

30hp John Deer 2x4
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front end loader = 4 wheel drive. And don't get a tractor without one... otherwise you're just buying a big riding mower.

I have a small JD... My parents have a big JD with a Cab and a mid size mahindra. My little tractor can do almost everything the bigger ones can... just slower. That said... mine wont load round bales on a trailer, but I can push them around.
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My family has 3 John Deere tractors. Non have 4wd and have bailed over thousands of bales of hay a year. Then again our land is all flat and hay meadows.
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My family has 3 John Deere tractors. Non have 4wd and have bailed over thousands of bales of hay a year. Then again our land is all flat and hay meadows.
Yep I would say the majority recommending 4x4 are running undersize tractors for the work.
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We have 200 acres and bought a 95 hp 4x4 Kubota with FEL to maintain it. i'm glad that we went that big as we were looking at smaller ones also. The FEL and 4x4 is a must in my opinion, from being able to push out small mesquites or leveling washouts.

We also plant around 10 acres of food plots, so being able to pull a 12+' disc and a 7 shank chisel comes in handy.
Yes you can get away with smaller but how much is your time worth?
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Yep I would say the majority recommending 4x4 are running undersize tractors for the work.
I'd say mine is a direct relation to terrain. Out of the 20 acres probably 3 are remotely level. That and I am using mine to push over a bunch of cedars. I need the 4X4 to get it done on my place. And the rain this year just compounds it all. My tractor is never out of 4WD
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Good info guys. I have about 1/2 mile of road to maintain, 7 to 8 acres of food plots going in and a couple of acres around the house to keep mowed. I've got some mesquites that need cleared as well.

Looks like I need to up my budget a little bit. That JD 2940 might just be the ticket. Guess I need to start researching implements next....
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for more insight start a new thread asking how many people have been through multiple tractors due to up sizing or adding 4x4. There is a long list of those people here, I'm on my 4th...

30hp John Deer 2x4
35hp Kubota 4x4
50hp Kubota 4x4
75hp Kubota 4x4

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30 HP 4x4 with FEL Mahindra This one almost beat me to death...
50 HP 4x4 with FEL Kubota
75 Kubota with cab, AC, Stereo, 4x4, with FEL and it's paid for... So going to keep it.
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This is 4wd... You want mechanical front wheel drive, or front wheel assist

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If I was you I would by that 1982 JD in a heartbeat. With only 2700 hrs and probably wasn't worked very hard. We have over 100 tractors anywhere from mid 1960's to brand new and the older JD tractors never give any problems and are easy to work on.

Do you have pic of tractor? If so post it, I would love to see it.

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Here's the one I can buy for 14k. The more I look around, the more of a solid deal it looks.







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Old 06-02-2016, 07:09 PM   #50
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If that's truly all that's wrong with it. It sounds like a good deal


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