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Old 10-26-2015, 09:37 AM   #1
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Default Alternatives to .243 for youth...

My 10 year old son is comfortable shooting a .243, but I'd like something that would leave a little better blood trail. Maybe something with more knockdown. I'm a bowhunter, not a gun nut. Always wanted a .308 but not sure how much more recoil this would have. I know they make a 7mm-08 too. Any recommendations.....

Just not a big fan of a .243
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:38 AM   #2
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I had a Ruger #1 in 7x57 mauser when I was a kid. Wish I still had it.
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:38 AM   #3
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.243 is my minimum for kids. .308 does have some substantial kick. Maybe an old school .30-30- seems less kick than my .308.
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:39 AM   #4
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:44 AM   #5
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He's a good shot, but he get's excited when he's about to shoot at a deer, so in the case of a less then perfect shot I'm thinking of something just a hair bigger. On paper he kills the target. He's just as good, if not a better shot then me actually. When I rifle hunt for deer I actually hunt with a 22-250, and have never lost a deer. When I was a kid I used a 30-06 and did make some poor shots, and I found the deer, but that gun knocked the snot out of me, and didn't help my shooting skills one bit.
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:45 AM   #6
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7mm08 is a nice choice. Plenty of gun selections as well as ammo selections. We got my wife a weatherby from droptine8850 and it's a great shooting gun with minimal recoil.
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:45 AM   #7
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I just have seen bad results in less then perfect shots with the .243. No blood trail etc.
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:46 AM   #8
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Don't get me wrong if you hit where you're supposed to, you can kill an elk with a .243. I get that....
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:47 AM   #9
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243 is a fine gun for whitetails within a 200 yd shot just be sure and get some good premium loads with a good 100 gr partition or bonded bullet and you're good to go.
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:48 AM   #10
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I would have him use a .243, for a while at least . My kids all killed there first 5 or so deer with a 243 and then moved up to the 270/.308/.3006 level. The .243 is a perfectly good deer caliber and it is easy for young or smaller people to shoot.
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:49 AM   #11
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260 or a 7/08....

308 in a light youth size rifle has a LOT of kick.
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:50 AM   #12
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30-30. My daughter has a .243 single shot that she shoots real well, but she says my 30-30 kicks her less and she enjoys shooting it. Since it's not likely your son will be shooting at anything beyond 150 yards, a good 30-30 is really all he needs for now.
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:52 AM   #13
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7/08
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:54 AM   #14
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Switch ammo Hornady Zmax is great ammo for a .243
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:56 AM   #15
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sounds like more trigger time and shot placement needs to be worked on over bigger bullet. Your own post answers your question regarding that topic, because of your own experience with the incorrect gun for you at a younger age. Poor shot is a poor shot regardless of caliber, and a bullet .050 bigger wont help with that.

The bigger the bullet, the more recoil and muzzle blast, the more flinching, the worse shot placement. there is nothing wrong with a 243 for him, and even better would be the 22-250 because of bullet design and velocity impact. youre looking at almost 5lbs felt recoil compared to almost 9lbs for 243, and 15lbs for 308. Hell of a difference!
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:56 AM   #16
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260 rem
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:56 AM   #17
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22-250 was my first gun and still my favorite caliber. It does devastating damage!
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:59 AM   #18
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Old 10-26-2015, 09:59 AM   #19
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My first deer gun was a .270. That may be what you are looking for
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:01 AM   #20
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I think you should get him a 7-08....and I just happen to have one for sale.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:03 AM   #21
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:09 AM   #23
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No doubt the more practice the better. But we all know it's a little different when that deer steps out and you know it's one you can take a shot at. That heart starts beating. Call it buck fever or whatever you want. Only experience and time helps you become a better shot in those real world hunting scenarios.

I plan to get him out and do some hog hunting. Good practice. Maybe we'll look at bullet selectioin. We're shooting 100gr Rem Core lokt. Any good recommendations on bullet selection for 22-250 and .243 for Texas Whitetail. I've got a friend that will reload any bullet that's available, but would prefer factory load....probably. For convenience.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:11 AM   #24
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7MM/08 managed recoil loads for my 8 yr old with a small frame.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:16 AM   #25
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No doubt the more practice the better. But we all know it's a little different when that deer steps out and you know it's one you can take a shot at. That heart starts beating. Call it buck fever or whatever you want. Only experience and time helps you become a better shot in those real world hunting scenarios.

I plan to get him out and do some hog hunting. Good practice. Maybe we'll look at bullet selectioin. We're shooting 100gr Rem Core lokt. Any good recommendations on bullet selection for 22-250 and .243 for Texas Whitetail. I've got a friend that will reload any bullet that's available, but would prefer factory load....probably. For convenience.
50 or 53gr barnes tsx for 22-250. honestly, the 55gr csoft point would be a good choice too. heck federal is loading 60gr partitions in their loads. thats a great bullet.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:20 AM   #26
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50 BMG puts em down quick
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:26 AM   #27
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25-06 is what my wife and kids shoot.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:28 AM   #28
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You could get the reduced recoil loads for 308. That's what my wife shoots. 125 grain bullet and kicks less than my nephews 243 did.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:29 AM   #29
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:31 AM   #30
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I shot a .243 for many years and never lost a deer and never had to trail too many. Having said that, .25-06 if I were going to up the caliber.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:31 AM   #31
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7-08 I'm actually about to buy one myself! Plenty of knock down power for deer

My little brother shoots a weatherby vanguard compact with very little recoil shooting 139 grain bullet, it has killed everything we have shot and we are shooting big south Texas whitetails
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:32 AM   #32
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The 7-08 with the Hornady Whitetail loads leave a giant blood trail.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:38 AM   #33
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I've shot several deer with my .243 using the 100 grain federal Hi Shock and dropped them all. A lot of people have used the varmit cartridges on deer with poor results and lots of wounded deer . At one time there was a 122 grain on the market by Winchester but that was years ago , can't find them now.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:39 AM   #34
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:40 AM   #35
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Another vote for 7-08
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:40 AM   #36
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I agree with the 7mm-08. There are a lot of other suggestions on here as well that will work great, but I'm a fan of ammo that you can find fairly easily especially if you shoot often and don't hand reload.
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You could get the reduced recoil loads for 308. That's what my wife shoots. 125 grain bullet and kicks less than my nephews 243 did.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:43 AM   #38
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.308 is solid option... with a good stock and not buying a sporter weight gun it shouldn't beat him that bad. Or look into managed recoil...

7mm-08 is a GREAT option... I love that round, but if you need to be able to walmart your ammo and are willing to try .308 I think I'd go with that...
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:54 AM   #39
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Another vote for the 'tirty-'tirty. They're just so fun to shoot.

Also, might consider 300 BLK if your son's interested in the AR route.

But, there's nothing wrong with that .243 in my opinion. He just needs some more practice with shooting at live targets to try and keep his nerves calm and his head in the game.
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Old 10-26-2015, 10:58 AM   #40
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My next will be either 6.5x55 or 7x57. Love those two but for some reason (no funds) dont own either
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:03 AM   #42
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I think you should get him a 7-08....and I just happen to have one for sale.
What is it and how much. I don't need a youth model, he's big enough now to shoot a normal size gun.
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:04 AM   #43
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Another vote for the 'tirty-'tirty. They're just so fun to shoot.

Also, might consider 300 BLK if your son's interested in the AR route.

But, there's nothing wrong with that .243 in my opinion. He just needs some more practice with shooting at live targets to try and keep his nerves calm and his head in the game.
I agree 100% just thinking out loud on this one.
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:05 AM   #44
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Remington managed recoil loads are available for 9/08, .308 and .270
I bought my son a youth model 7/08 and he shot the managed recoil loads until he grew a little and could shoot the regulars. One deer rifle for a lifetime (with a new stock at some point).
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:06 AM   #45
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When I was 10 my first two misses were with a .243, later in the season I killed my first deer with a 7mm08, almost identical kick. The .308 has sneaky power
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:06 AM   #46
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I've still killed more deer with a .243 as a kid than all of my other guns combined. Now, i pretty much use my AR15 for doe duty when I'm not bowhunting.

But, my recommendation would be a 7mm/08 with managed recoil loads. You do not want him developing a flinch. It's hard to get rid of if they do.

I love the .243. But, I understand your reservations.
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:08 AM   #47
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A buddy of mine always shot a .257 Roberts growing up then switched to a .243 shootin 100 grain softpoints. All the deer he ever shot with it went straight down and I use the same for hogs and its always done just fine. When I was 11 I shot my first deer with a .270WSM. I never noticed the recoil. Never have on breathing targets. They all kick about the same as far as I can tell.
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:11 AM   #48
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hell the best thing you can do is actually get him shooting a gun with a silencer. many people react to the sound as much as the recoil.
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:12 AM   #49
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25-06 is the best all around whitetail caliber for Texas deer. All these crazy calibers being tossed at you, remember the cost and availability of ammo. Remington 100gr corlock in 25-06 is cheap, readily available and knocks them down. Good luck.
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