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Old 02-11-2019, 11:15 AM   #1
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Default Dead on at 30, right at 40

New bow with 5 pin spott hog, adjustable in all 3 planes. Dead on at 20 and 30 but consistently hitting right about 4" at 40. Maybe it's a form breakdown or maybe a tuning issue. Thoughts?
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:19 AM   #2
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Walk back tune...
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:23 AM   #3
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Yup, walk back. You could start by french tuning and of course working on your form.
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:29 AM   #4
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New bow with 5 pin spott hog, adjustable in all 3 planes. Dead on at 20 and 30 but consistently hitting right about 4" at 40. Maybe it's a form breakdown or maybe a tuning issue. Thoughts?
I had this same problem and went away from the sight. I never could get it right.

Good luck and I hope you have more patience than me.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:01 PM   #5
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I’d bet it a rest issue I’d also watch for string contact
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:07 PM   #6
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Just shoot at 30. You'll be dead on.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:25 PM   #7
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Just shoot at 30. You'll be dead on.


Yep anything Beyond 30 yards is unethical anyway
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:37 PM   #8
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Unethical????? Shooting with anything you choose is "unethical" whether its 20 yards with a bow or 200 yards with a rifle. Man or women, errors can happen. I bet you have made a bad shot at 20 yards with a bow and have lost animals (antelercollector). Practice at whatever yardage you choose and you increase your success.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:43 PM   #9
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Unethical????? Shooting with anything you choose is "unethical" whether its 20 yards with a bow or 200 yards with a rifle. Man or women, errors can happen. I bet you have made a bad shot at 20 yards with a bow and have lost animals (antelercollector). Practice at whatever yardage you choose and you increase your success.
You might want to slow down on that keyboard until you get to know some of the characters around here. Sarcasm runs thick around these parts.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:53 PM   #10
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You might want to slow down on that keyboard until you get to know some of the characters around here. Sarcasm runs thick around these parts.
HAHA Thick like molasses in winter.
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:09 PM   #11
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You know I had the same exact same issue. I went to a bow shop and my lower cam was out of adjustment. I was tuning up it to 70 yards and the arrow would hit 4 inches to the right then progressively move further right the further I was shooting.

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Old 02-11-2019, 02:24 PM   #12
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haha florida man at it again
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:48 PM   #13
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I once shot a deer at 108 yards with my bear whitetail hunter set at 45 lbs. But that was in 1985 and before the SJWs ran rampant on social media. Oh wait, there want social media either!

Just jivin’! Just Jivin’!
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Unethical????? Shooting with anything you choose is "unethical" whether its 20 yards with a bow or 200 yards with a rifle. Man or women, errors can happen. I bet you have made a bad shot at 20 yards with a bow and have lost animals (antelercollector). Practice at whatever yardage you choose and you increase your success.


He was only kidding
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:54 PM   #15
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Would the bubble level on the sight being off cause that problem also?
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:02 PM   #16
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I think it is the Coriolis effect at those extreme distances

Have to shoot straight east to west or vice versa

I have the same issue so I am now tagged to read the recommendations
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:18 PM   #17
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likely you are not "dead on" at 20 and 30
more likely you are slightly left at 20 and slightly right 30

your issue could be a number of reasons, arrows spine, grip torque, etc

but it really helps to know more about the specific style of longbow or recurve you are shooting
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:20 PM   #18
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I've been on here for some years, I know how it is. It's called hunting. Bad shots happen from any weapon. Ps. Texas Born!!!
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:21 PM   #19
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Walk back tune...
this is incorrect

walk forward tune. you need to walk forward until you can hit the target. then stop. you are as far as you need to shoot.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:21 PM   #20
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New bow with 5 pin spott hog, adjustable in all 3 planes. Dead on at 20 and 30 but consistently hitting right about 4" at 40. Maybe it's a form breakdown or maybe a tuning issue. Thoughts?
Is this only with field points or BHs, or both. Whats your set up?

I would double check the level of the sight bubble vs the bow as well as walk back/ BH tune. You could also be torquing the bow during the shot or be a weak spine reaction
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:24 PM   #21
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Walk back tune, it is your rest that is not quite where it needs to be
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:26 PM   #22
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Was it windy?
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:31 PM   #23
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Ethical shots have been taken out to 1004 yards, so past 30 isnít an issue. Might be form, as tuning should show up at all ranges.


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Unethical????? Shooting with anything you choose is "unethical" whether its 20 yards with a bow or 200 yards with a rifle. Man or women, errors can happen. I bet you have made a bad shot at 20 yards with a bow and have lost animals (antelercollector). Practice at whatever yardage you choose and you increase your success.






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Old 02-11-2019, 03:59 PM   #25
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sounded democratic. lol
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:23 PM   #26
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Tell you the same thing a instructor told me during a golf lesson, aim left.
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:25 PM   #27
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Ethical shots have been taken out to 1004 yards, so past 30 isnít an issue. Might be form, as tuning should show up at all ranges.


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That's a heck of a bow...
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:28 PM   #28
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Does it get worse at 50?

You have the 2nd axis adjustment to deal with. Each individual pin can be adjusted as well on a spot Hogg and they might be off a little bit
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:11 PM   #29
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Thanks for all the ideas and even the humor. I'll walk back tune as soon as I get a chance. If that doesn't work, I'll head back to the bow shop and have them recheck 2nd and 3rd axis adjustment as well as cams.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:03 PM   #30
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Yep anything Beyond 30 yards is unethical anyway
I got roasted on AT because I said there is not such thing as an unethical shot on a feral hog.....LOL. If I see them arrows and or lead is flying end of story...

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Walk back tune?? 2nd and 3rd axis adjustments?? What in the heck??

Man shooting these new fandangled bows accurately sure has become complicated.... We were shooting knocks off at 40 yards, in the early 80's, while shooting bows that might break 220fps, with our fingers, using brass sight pins, slinging aluminum arrows and yarn string silencers...
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Tink is that you Bro ???
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Tink is that you Bro ???
Tink wishes he could spell that good!
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:13 PM   #35
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Whoís Tink?


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Hardly...........spelling, punctuation, and grammar are all good.
Tnik would've F'd all 3 up. from the get-go.
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Walk back tune?? 2nd and 3rd axis adjustments?? What in the heck??

Man shooting these new fandangled bows accurately sure has become complicated.... We were shooting knocks off at 40 yards, in the early 80's, while shooting bows that might break 220fps, with our fingers, using brass sight pins, slinging aluminum arrows and yarn string silencers...
x2 sure was
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Walk back tune?? 2nd and 3rd axis adjustments?? What in the heck??



Man shooting these new fandangled bows accurately sure has become complicated.... We were shooting knocks off at 40 yards, in the early 80's, while shooting bows that might break 220fps, with our fingers, using brass sight pins, slinging aluminum arrows and yarn string silencers...


They had aluminum arrows in the 1880s?
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Hardly...........spelling, punctuation, and grammar are all good.
Tnik would've F'd all 3 up. from the get-go.
True, now I gone and dun it.....set off a whole mess. Sorry OP...
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:34 PM   #41
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I would put it on a bow vise leveling the bow out then check axis settings... depending on how solid you feel out to 40 I donít think itís necessary to walk back tune that far out as you should see the rest possibly out of alignment out to 30... definitely need to make sure the cams are not out of time.... most people do struggle with leaning their heads further right as they stretch their distance and the infamous watching your arrow could get you as we always want to move the bow out of the way so we can see where we hit the target... just my thoughts on what I would check first. Good luck!


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Easy. I'm not that much older than you.
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if you are serious...gotta search the "old" threads. Tink is "Aubrey Nathan" you know him from tink's 69 scents.

He was escorted off the premises a while back.
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if you are serious...gotta search the "old" threads. Tink is "Aubrey Nathan" you know him from tink's 69 scents.

He was escorted off the premises a while back.
Then search for Tim Whiteford of Viking Archery. That should keep you busy for oh several weeks.
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Yup, walk back. You could start by french tuning and of course working on your form.
So what's the difference between a French tune and a Swedish tune?
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:13 AM   #46
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What is this sight thingy you refer to? Anything past 13.7 yards is too far anyway!!!
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:27 AM   #47
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this is incorrect

walk forward tune. you need to walk forward until you can hit the target. then stop. you are as far as you need to shoot.
This is excellent advise.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:44 AM   #48
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This is excellent advise.
It still doesn't answer what's wrong with his setup though.

I am not an expert by any means, not even close, but could it be something with the arrows and not just the bow?
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:14 AM   #49
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Just before CO for my Elk hunt I had a new sight put on and had to get the tuning done I was fine until 40 then it was moving at 60 WOW make the change and it was a bunch . I thought that back at 20 it would be wrong nope dead on . The further the shot the more the minor adjustments get to working against you
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Sounds like your second axis is off. In addition you third axis will really be off.
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