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Old 06-21-2022, 06:09 PM   #1
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I know vegetation and cover play a huge role in fawn recruitment. Was just wondering about this heat? Wonder how the fawns are making out
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:10 PM   #2
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I know vegetation and cover play a huge role in fawn recruitment. Was just wondering about this heat? Wonder how the fawns are making out
I mean, they are hot!
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:12 PM   #3
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It can’t be good, but how bad, I have no clue. Mother Nature has been in control of that a long time though.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:13 PM   #4
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I have seen a bunch with mommas on the county roads but did find one dead behind my house that looked like it died just after being born….really small. Maybe it was heat
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:16 PM   #5
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I found one dead also. Heat is killing a few IMO.

I was more worried about no grass for cover to hide from coyotes.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:23 PM   #6
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What he said. Waters getting scarce and I suppose they are easy pickings at any little water hole. Trim them cedars back and give ‘em a chance is one easy add on.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:27 PM   #7
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Y’all do realize it’s Texas and it’s the same weather every summer? The heat and drought is nothing new.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:31 PM   #8
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It’s June. We will run out of water some day in Austin.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:34 PM   #9
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It’s not “ the same weather every year”. It might be the same pattern with a lot more straws drinking…”
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:50 PM   #10
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Yíall do realize itís Texas and itís the same weather every summer? The heat and drought is nothing new.
We have not had a drought like this since 2010, this one may end up being worse. My county is in bad shape.

https://www.drought.gov/states/texas/county/wilson
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:06 PM   #11
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If they have them. Been very dry in a lot of places and many will abort them.
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:10 PM   #12
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Yíall do realize itís Texas and itís the same weather every summer? The heat and drought is nothing new.
We were over 100 far earlier than normal this year. That extra 5-15 degrees when fawns are first born is a lot to them..IMO or is my guess.
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:21 PM   #13
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If no rain in the next 30 days in Mills county I look for a die off of some fawns. We got lucky about 3 weeks ago and got close to 2 inches of rain. With the heat and wind it is drying up fast. Good luck everyone.
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:26 PM   #14
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We were over 100 far earlier than normal this year. That extra 5-15 degrees when fawns are first born is a lot to them..IMO or is my guess.
Weíve also had a droughts that were much worse along with heat waves that lasted 100+ days over 100*. By those standards we wouldnít have any deer left from all the fawn deaths from heat. Itís all cyclical but for some reason this one is always the worst yet.
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:30 PM   #15
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No worse than the freeze. Or every summer Tejas
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:33 PM   #16
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Weíve also had a droughts that were much worse along with heat waves that lasted 100+ days over 100*. By those standards we wouldnít have any deer left from all the fawn deaths from heat. Itís all cyclical but for some reason this one is always the worst yet.
I agree. Not near the worst in my life time. It will be close to the late 80's drought and the 2011 drought by September if we don't receive any rain, regardless of temps. JMO
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:35 PM   #17
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Cant be any worse than what the mosquitos did to our fawn crop last year. This combined with the late historic freeze.

We had the lowest recruitment rates like you would see in a high stress drought year, but the opposite, was extremely wet.

We saw it in the body condition and antlers of the adults as well.
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:43 PM   #18
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I have not seen a fawn yet, this year. I have been seeing does out in open areas in the middle of the day, so I know they are about to give birth, or they have and have the fawns hidden. We have one pregnant doe that comes up in the back yard, she does not look like she is enjoying life. But the deer, mainly the does normally look pretty bad in the summer time. Then they fill out for the fall and look much healthier by winter. I have my cameras turned off, because our deer look so bad during the summers.

I may turn the cameras back on soon, just to try and figure out how many does have fawns, at this point, I am only seeing that one pregnant doe. My wife and I walked the property late yesterday, we did not see a single deer. Normally that time of the day, you would see at least one group of deer, if not two, we saw zero.
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Old 06-21-2022, 08:21 PM   #19
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Iíve already found one dead on my place, and havenít seen any others yet.

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Old 06-21-2022, 08:24 PM   #20
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It ain’t going to be good…
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Old 06-21-2022, 08:28 PM   #21
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This is typical Texas weather! We have had a couple of cooler than normal years in a row. But summer is indeed tough on everything.
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Old 06-21-2022, 08:32 PM   #22
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We have a ton of them in Blanco. They just seem to be hanging in the cedar in the shade. I think as long is mom is milking they will be fine.
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:02 PM   #23
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Weíve also had a droughts that were much worse along with heat waves that lasted 100+ days over 100*. By those standards we wouldnít have any deer left from all the fawn deaths from heat. Itís all cyclical but for some reason this one is always the worst yet.
I have not looked at historical temps. I'm not talking about drought. I was just thinking this May and early June was way hotter than normal. Obviously it usually gets over 100 in July and August but fawns are not newborns at that point.

I can't remember it being 104-106 for a week straight in May before.
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:40 PM   #24
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We’ve also had a droughts that were much worse along with heat waves that lasted 100+ days over 100*. By those standards we wouldn’t have any deer left from all the fawn deaths from heat. It’s all cyclical but for some reason this one is always the worst yet.
Funny you say that. I just looked at our fawn recruitment numbers from last year vs the 2011 drought. This last years numbers were half of the 2011 numbers.

Like I mentioned above, I am curious if that was the freeze or the absolute worst hoard of mosquitos we had last year or both. The mosquitos were the worst I had ever seen in the 4 decades of hunting the same general area. It was WAY wet.

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Old 06-21-2022, 09:50 PM   #25
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Yíall do realize itís Texas and itís the same weather every summer? The heat and drought is nothing new.
This drought and heat is not normal, even for west central Texas. 30 days of 100 degrees or higher in San Angelo so far. Normally 19 in an entire summer. Combined with no rain and lack of vegetation/shade is going to wreck havoc on survival rates.
It will become obvious in 4/5 yrs from now. An entire age class of bucks will be much smaller numbers than normal.
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Old 06-21-2022, 09:55 PM   #26
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HmmmÖ.
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Old 06-21-2022, 10:40 PM   #27
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Tpwd going to drop it to 1 Buck 1 doe next year all these dead fawns
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Old 06-21-2022, 11:02 PM   #28
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Since so many deer evidently died in the freeze last year I’m hoping that was little browse and water there is right now gets stretched further among the relatively lower number of deer that we have now.
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Old 06-21-2022, 11:09 PM   #29
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Tpwd going to drop it to 1 Buck 1 doe next year all these dead fawns
MehÖ.doubt it. Yep itís hot and unless you flew deer in from Canada? Itís been hot and dry my whole life for the majority of the summers. Deer evolve and adapt.
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Old 06-22-2022, 06:35 AM   #30
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Have seen a few dead fawns around my neighborhood here in Kendall county.
I think combination of heat & poor range conditions due to drought.
I am not expecting much of a fawn crop in Dimmit at my place. The brush looks bad. Less than 2Ē since November. Predators are going to have a field day.
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Old 06-22-2022, 08:43 AM   #31
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People have always tied rainfall to better fawn crops because of the cover... that cover is good for both thermal protection and predatory concealment... it also aids in the production of rodents which can take pressure off of fawns.

However, I've always considered that the thermal component may play a far larger part in better fawn crops than predation. After all, if you are having significant amounts of rainfall, that tends to mean more cloud cover more often and cooler temperatures on average.

If a fawn bakes out all day with no shade and has a problem standing up to nurse, it's over.
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