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Old 01-08-2019, 09:04 PM   #1
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The HOA at Landís End golf course on Lake Fork has hired a trapper to trap 100 deer in the subdivision. TV station KLTV did a report that only represented the HOA, and interviewed the HOA president. He claimed that due to overpopulation, that they were seeing malnutrition and deformities in the deer herd. This is total B.S. I have never seen a malnourished or deformed deer in the 20 years Iíve owned my property less than 1/2 mile from this subdivision. These deer are going to a slaughterhouse simply because they eat the landownerís shrubs. KLTV didnít research or interview anybody opposing this slaughter. They didnít interview the landowners that feed the deer so that they can view them. Iím not good on a computer, so I would ask those that are to watch the interview to contact KLTV and voice their opinion.
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Rocky- seems to me you don't have a dog in the fight. you don't live there. If they decided they wanted less of a deer population hen they should be able to.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:28 PM   #3
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Overpopulation of deer in the hill country is a very real thing in some areas. My buddy in Boerne will have a dozen deer in and around his yard on any given day and everyone else does too. They used to trap deer in my neighborhood, though they relocated them. At least that’s what they said.

They mow everything down and become hazards on the road when their numbers get too high. They can also present a danger to people when they lose their fear. I don’t think keeping numbers in check where it’s needed is a problem.
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They did the same here in lakeway...too many people getting in accidents here deer are like rats
I'm all for controlling population if it keeps even one person from a bad accident.
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Rocky- seems to me you don't have a dog in the fight. you don't live there. If they decided they wanted less of a deer population hen they should be able to.
Are you saying that the deer belong to them, and they can regulate the population as they see fit?
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:42 PM   #6
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Are you saying that the deer belong to them, and they can regulate the population as they see fit?
If they are overpopulated and doing damage, they need to be controlled. Hopefully a good use of the meat will be found.
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All this will have to be with the permission of the TPWD and they will determine what is done with them The State Of Texas owns the deer, not the HOA.
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Believe it or not they have been quietly doing this in Washington DC on and around their beltway for 5 years......
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Overpopulation of deer in the hill country is a very real thing in some areas. My buddy in Boerne will have a dozen deer in and around his yard on any given day and everyone else does too. They used to trap deer in my neighborhood, though they relocated them. At least thatís what they said.

They mow everything down and become hazards on the road when their numbers get too high. They can also present a danger to people when they lose their fear. I donít think keeping numbers in check where itís needed is a problem.
Landís End is on a penensula, and the only road is a crater filled county road that safely allows a 45 mph speed. There has been app. 10 deer related crashes in the 20 years Iíve lived here, and zero human injuries.
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Landís End is on a penensula, and the only road is a crater filled county road that safely allows a 45 mph speed. There has been app. 10 deer related crashes in the 20 years Iíve lived here, and zero human injuries.
Iím not familiar with the area, but I wonder why an urban archery hunt wasnít considered? Theyíve done that in several places up here with lots of success around retirement communities/golf course areas.
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Those deer won’t be slaughtered but relocated to less populated areas
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All this will have to be with the permission of the TPWD and they will determine what is done with them The State Of Texas owns the deer, not the HOA.
Exactly. Pressure by the HOA influences decisions by area biologist. We need to keep as many as we can happy.
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Those deer wonít be slaughtered but relocated to less populated areas
Wrong. They are be transported to a killing facility.
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Iím not familiar with the area, but I wonder why an urban archery hunt wasnít considered? Theyíve done that in several places up here with lots of success around retirement communities/golf course areas.
TPWD deer management response. ď You canít control deer population with archery equipmentĒ. I presented this proposal several years ago, when they decided that less than 20 deer needed to be removed.
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Wrong. They are be transported to a killing facility.
Well I guess they changed then. When they were trapped in HSB they went to anthrax kill areas. State came and trapped 200 off ex inlaws to go to anthrax area. That's been several yes ago. I participated in severL of those at their ranch
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If they are killed, my money's on feeding them to somebody, homeless shelters, etc. If they were to throw them in the landfill, then you'd have a case. Otherwise, not so much. Too many of anything is usually not good.
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If they are killed, my money's on feeding them to somebody, homeless shelters, etc. If they were to throw them in the landfill, then you'd have a case. Otherwise, not so much. Too many of anything is usually not good.
Supposedly feeding convicts. Do convicts deserve venison?
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:06 PM   #18
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I doubt it, I know a guy than ran one the meat packing facilities they use, he gets deer in sometimes a hundred at a time.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:09 PM   #19
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Wish I knew they were that upset. Instead of staring at tag soup I could have brought my bow last time I played the course. If anyone knows of any other folks frustrated by high numbers of deer on their property, shoot me a PM. Got tags and plenty of freezer space. My folks live on Fork, this would have been a great opportunity. So sad...hope the meat goes to a good place.
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State has possession rights to the deer. HOA has biologist come out and determined deer population needs to be declined. I still don't know why it would matter to you if you don't live in the neighborhood.
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Why is this making people upset? I’m obviously overlooking something.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:17 PM   #22
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Wish I knew they were that upset. Instead of staring at tag soup I could have brought my bow last time I played the course. If anyone knows of any other folks frustrated by high numbers of deer on their property, shoot me a PM. Got tags and plenty of freezer space. My folks live on Fork, this would have been a great opportunity. So sad...hope the meat goes to a good place.
Itís about to get ugly. KLTV just contacted me. Iím not known for my political correctness.
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Why is this making people upset? Iím obviously overlooking something.
If your neighbor decided to kill 100 deer, would it upset you?
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So I like skunks- they come into your yard and dig every night. you want to remove them and I live somewhere else but think its my right to tell you to leave the skunks in your yard. Why don't ou go pay HOA dues in that neighborhood if you want a say in the matter?
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:25 PM   #25
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State has possession rights to the deer. HOA has biologist come out and determined deer population needs to be declined. I still don't know why it would matter to you if you don't live in the neighborhood.
Landowners with 2 acres inside a subdivision with other 2 acre landowners feeding deer are able to determine the deer population in a 2 sq. mile area? Iíve recommended that homeowners not feed the deer in this subdivision for years. ďWe like to watch deer. Crap!!! Theyíre eating my shrubs!! We have too many deerĒ. City people moving to the country. SMDH!!!!
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So I like skunks- they come into your yard and dig every night. you want to remove them and I live somewhere else but think its my right to tell you to leave the skunks in your yard. Why don't ou go pay HOA dues in that neighborhood if you want a say in the matter?
Again, deer range more than 400 acres. This affects at least a 2 sq. mile area. Bringing skunks into this discussion is lame at best.
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Landowners with 2 acres inside a subdivision with other 2 acre landowners feeding deer are able to determine the deer population in a 2 sq. mile area? Iíve recommended that homeowners not feed the deer in this subdivision for years. ďWe like to watch deer. Crap!!! Theyíre eating my shrubs!! We have too many deerĒ. City people moving to the country. SMDH!!!!
How much land do you have next to them? Do the deer travel to your property? Seems like they have no reason to leave the community.
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How much land do you have next to them? Do the deer travel to your property? Seems like they have no reason to leave the community.
I have 15 acres, and yes, they do travel to my property and beyond. Bucks are just now reaching potential due to AR, and my wife has killed 2, 135 inch deer in the last 3 years. She boehunts only, and Iíve recommended a program for bow hunting in this subdivision to control the population. I actually set up a program for women bow hunters that was approved, then shot down by TPWD biologist.
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I have 15 acres, and yes, they do travel to my property and beyond. Bucks are just now reaching potential due to AR, and my wife has killed 2, 135 inch deer in the last 3 years. She boehunts only, and Iíve recommended a program for bow hunting in this subdivision to control the population. I actually set up a program for women bow hunters that was approved, then shot down by TPWD biologist.
Are they trapping your deer?
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Are they trapping your deer?
Yes. Not my deer technically, but deer that frequent my property.
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Supposedly feeding convicts. Do convicts deserve venison?
We're supporting them no matter what they eat. Why is this such a big deal to you ? Not being smart, just trying to understand.
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We're supporting them no matter what they eat. Why is this such a big deal to you ? Not being smart, just trying to understand.
The way I look at it, is that these deer are just as much mine as they are the landowners in Landís End.
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The way I look at it, is that these deer are just as much mine as they are the landowners in Landís End.
Ok.
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Well your argument that there is no overpopulation and then saying you have recommended a bowhunting program in this neighborhood to control population? Just say it- your are upset that the deer are not being controlled by hunting and are being trapped. Yea I get it. You see hunting opportunity. Just think of the liability on 2 acre lots with children and broad heads flying. Id trap them too.
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Well your argument that there is no overpopulation and then saying you have recommended a bowhunting program in this neighborhood to control population? Just say it- your are upset that the deer are not being controlled by hunting and are being trapped. Yea I get it. You see hunting opportunity. Just think of the liability on 2 acre lots with children and broad heads flying. Id trap them too.
What youíve missed. 8-9 years ago, when this issue first surfaced, the then president of the HOA came to me and asked if I could implement a program to harvest 12-15 deer from the subdivision. At that time, HOA rules did not allow the discharge of firearms. I recruited women from the archery shop to have an opportunity at bowkilling these deer. Shot down by TPWD biologist. Landowners combined property to create MLD level 1 and shot 30-35 deer for 3 years with rifles. New TPWD regulations prevent this subdivision from qualifying for MLD. Now, they hire trapper with company biologist that coordinates with TPWD biologist to backdoor MLD and trap and kill deer in subdivision affecting surrounding landowners. Why do we not have a say in this matter?
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They have the same issue at Holly Lake Ranch golf course. They were allowing a small group of bowhunters to shoot as many as they could. It was working out really well, not sure if they are still doing it. Rocky, you may want to get some info on that to counter with.
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Well your argument that there is no overpopulation and then saying you have recommended a bowhunting program in this neighborhood to control population? Just say it- your are upset that the deer are not being controlled by hunting and are being trapped. Yea I get it. You see hunting opportunity. Just think of the liability on 2 acre lots with children and broad heads flying. Id trap them too.
Again, I said there was no malnourished or deformed deer that the president of the HOA mentioned in the interview on KLTV.
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I can understand why he's pi*sed. It will directly affect deer numbers on his own property
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I lived in Austin years ago & I faintly remember something similar like this that took place. The best of my memory, the deer were processed & sent to the homeless shelters in the city. If that's what they're going to do with these deer I think that's a good thing. Now If we could only see these measures being taken on the wild hog population these shelters would have enough food to feed a lot of homeless folks.
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KLTV is based out of Tyler. Can't see how/why they are involved with Fork.
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Would love for them to release the deer on my place which is 30 miles east of Lake Fork.
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Sun City here close to Georgetown spends over $50,000 a year to trap and move up to 200 deer a year. The trapper says they lose half to stress every time. The half that dies are processed, the half that lives are relocated. I tried back in the nineties to form a bow hunting program so they could get rid of the deer and make a little money instead of spending money. They wouldn't do it because they didn't want the deer to get killed.

They did it in Fountain Wood sub-division where Bisch used to live and it worked great and still does. I think Bisch killed 9 one year.
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I wish to heck I could remember the name of the subdivision near San Antonio that did this back in the 90's. A trapper was called in to relocate the deer that were just all over the place down there. The retired folks that lived there were hand feeding some big un's and all was well until two things happened. 1) Several folks were attacked by the deer getting to the corn bucket or when the home owners tried to "shoo" them out of their gardens, I guess they just lost their fear of people. 2) A few guys were caught using bows to take deer out of their back yards.

In some instances trapping and relocating makes sense.

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KLTV is based out of Tyler. Can't see how/why they are involved with Fork.
Lake Fork is East Tx. KLTV covers a lot of East Tx stories. I had them on my place in Athens 6 yrs ago and I'm a good hour from their station. No different than Dallas stations driving 1-2 hrs west to get something for news coverage.

Lands End is just a quick 45 min drive North from KLTV headquarters.

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Itís about to get ugly. KLTV just contacted me. Iím not known for my political correctness.


Good luck! The fact that you helped with a solution encouraging female bow hunters and then got shot down by TPWD is very frustrating. What was the reasoning on their side? There is plenty of places out there to allow safe hunting. Do it during the weekdays while kids are in school and most folks are out working. Surely there are some folks living within the HOA that are hunters. Wonder what their opinion is.


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Old 01-09-2019, 07:07 AM   #48
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Yes. Not my deer technically, but deer that frequent my property.
whats the difference in them trapping deer that frequent your property and someone building a high fence around their land, essentially preventing deer from frequenting your property?
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:38 AM   #49
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What youíve missed. 8-9 years ago, when this issue first surfaced, the then president of the HOA came to me and asked if I could implement a program to harvest 12-15 deer from the subdivision. At that time, HOA rules did not allow the discharge of firearms. I recruited women from the archery shop to have an opportunity at bowkilling these deer. Shot down by TPWD biologist. Landowners combined property to create MLD level 1 and shot 30-35 deer for 3 years with rifles. New TPWD regulations prevent this subdivision from qualifying for MLD. Now, they hire trapper with company biologist that coordinates with TPWD biologist to backdoor MLD and trap and kill deer in subdivision affecting surrounding landowners. Why do we not have a say in this matter?
Honestly, it sounds like the HOA president tried to do the right thing, and TPWD is the issue. You two should be on the same team, and going after TPWD on the news. A headline of TPWD blocks ethical population control of deer would go a lot further than neighboring LO disagrees with HOA president.
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Well I guess they changed then. When they were trapped in HSB they went to anthrax kill areas. State came and trapped 200 off ex inlaws to go to anthrax area. That's been several yes ago. I participated in severL of those at their ranch
We received a lot of trapped deer. We are in anthrax area. It's good deal the vac8nated deer ect.
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