CWD Discovered in Limestone County

[MtnMike]

I heard today that four Whitetail Deer on a High Fence Breeding Facility in Limestone County that were tested by Texas A & M were positive for CWD. The Ranch is now under quarantine. Get ready for more mandatory CWD testing of harvested deer by TPWD in Limestone County and surrounding Counties.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/rel...20the%20county.

[ACbob]

Native or imported deer?

[MtnMike]

Originally Posted by ACbob

Native or imported deer?

TPWD did not specify, could be either one.

[Quackerbox]

Why dont they tell us what ranch or exactly where?

Im guessing north part of the county

[Big O]

Do you have any idea where at in limestone county?

[MtnMike]

Originally Posted by Big O

Do you have any idea where at in limestone county?

TPWD did not give location. In the past, they have put down all deer on the facility/Ranch. They have not said what action they will take on this place.

[dgilbert]

Hope it just stays in them HF places.

[toledo]

I hope the breeders and the enablers at the state are happy with themselves. Only a matter of time until the whole state is ate up with it.

And don't give us that crap about it always being here. There has been extensive testing of wild deer that has proven that to not be true.

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by dgilbert

Hope it just stays in them HF places.

Plenty of CWD deer in free range herds too.

[Top Of Texas]

Originally Posted by trophy8

Plenty of CWD deer in free range herds too.

Yeah. Compliments of breeder pens.

[haas0311]

Originally Posted by trophy8

Plenty of CWD deer in free range herds too.

Yea but not in Texas until it was introduced recently.


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[Sippy]

This breeder hasn’t had any deer transferred in in 7+ years.

I have a handful that were purchased from him a few months ago at a facility. All deer were live tested before they were moved and were negative, now I likely have to kill them all.

[gingib]

ooooo gotta love the HF operations who buy and sell and TTT

[Sippy]

Originally Posted by haas0311

Yea but not in Texas until it was introduced recently.


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Not correct. It’s been in Texas since at least 2012 in free ranging animals not connected to any breeding facilities.

[Sippy]

Originally Posted by gingib

ooooo gotta love the HF operations who buy and sell and TTT

TTT has been suspended since 2021

[Sippy]

Wouldn’t it be great if we could stop spreading false information on both sides? Why don’t we all realize NOBODY wants this to spread in Texas, and really start to study this disease we don’t fully understand?

[Sippy]

Originally Posted by Big O

Do you have any idea where at in limestone county?

Coolidge

[M16]

Originally Posted by Sippy

Not correct. It’s been in Texas since at least 2012 in free ranging animals not connected to any breeding facilities.

Only in the New Mexico border area. Breeders have spread it statewide.

[M16]

Originally Posted by Sippy

Wouldn’t it be great if we could stop spreading false information on both sides? Why don’t we all realize NOBODY wants this to spread in Texas, and really start to study this disease we don’t fully understand?

Wouldn’t it be great if we just quit transporting deer?

[Sippy]

Originally Posted by Sippy

Wouldn’t it be great if we could stop spreading false information on both sides? Why don’t we all realize NOBODY wants this to spread in Texas, and really start to study this disease we don’t fully understand?

Originally Posted by M16

Only in the New Mexico border area. Breeders have spread it statewide.

See above. It certainly hasn’t been “spread statewide”. You may say “it has been found in breeding facilities in multiple areas of the state” but CWD is FAR from being widespread across the state.

[Iansumrall]

Originally Posted by Sippy

Wouldn’t it be great if we could stop spreading false information on both sides? Why don’t we all realize NOBODY wants this to spread in Texas, and really start to study this disease we don’t fully understand?

I had to stop getting into the pointless debates a while ago. No matter how much information you give someone it doesn’t seem to do much good. What’s amusing to me is, the majority of these same people thinking CWD is some abnormally contagious disease that’s going to spread across the nation and kill every deer walking are the same guys criticizing the knee jerk reactions to COVID-19 and all of the misinformation around that topic. The most comical argument to me is one in which folks say the disease has not been in wild Texas herds until deer breeders came into the picture. Or the fact that the vast majority, this site included, seem to completely against infringement of rights. Yet, the CEO of their beloved buccees is the front runner for some egregious infringement on landowner’s rights in Texas.

This one hits pretty close to home too. I hate that it happened to him, very good man that I have a lot of respect for. And he Quite possibly has more knowledge and live for white tails than any man I’ve ever met.

[M16]

What would take 200 years to spread naturally can be done in a moving trailer in 4-5 hours. It’s coming cause the cats done out of the bag. Money trumps common sense. Otherwise movement of fake deer wouldn’t have ever been allowed once the disease had been discovered.

[Encinal]

Originally Posted by Sippy

See above. It certainly hasn’t been “spread statewide”. You may say “it has been found in breeding facilities in multiple areas of the state” but CWD is FAR from being widespread across the state.

Thusfar is has been detected in breeding facilities spanning ~86,000 sq miles of Texas.

That's an area larger than UTAH and would be the 13th largest state in the union.

Just saying.

[haas0311]

Originally Posted by Sippy

Not correct. It’s been in Texas since at least 2012 in free ranging animals not connected to any breeding facilities.

You are correct, the first case was detected in free ranging mule deer in the Hueco Mountains..

[npe001]

Originally Posted by Quackerbox

Why dont they tell us what ranch or exactly where?

Im guessing north part of the county

Shane, you might have to go and help kill all the big bucks by the lake... for research

[Texas452]

I have a friend that told me he has to have his deer tested before he can move them to a different pasture, the pastures are joined together.
I studied on getting into deer farming some years back, but decided against it.

[Sunnylab]

CWD has been around for a long time. Much longer than it was ever "documented".

[Quackerbox]

Originally Posted by npe001

Shane, you might have to go and help kill all the big bucks by the lake... for research

I dont need their permission to kill one. Finding a big buck is a whole other story

[Sunnylab]

Originally Posted by Sippy

Wouldn’t it be great if we could stop spreading false information on both sides? Why don’t we all realize NOBODY wants this to spread in Texas, and really start to study this disease we don’t fully understand?

Agree 100%

[Sika]

Has anyone tried testing alfalfa and feed for prions? Lots of alfalfa comes from CWD states. If it was discovered to be spread by trucking in food sources that would certainly have a huge impact.

[S-3 Ranch]

Originally Posted by M16

Wouldn’t it be great if we just quit transporting deer?

Having a deer farm in your backyard or sale and transportation of alive
State property probably should be 100% illegal, Lacey act penalties ?
This will never stop till truck farm deer are banned IMO ( any deer in Texas should be under the state trust like wildlife)

[M16]

Originally Posted by Sunnylab

CWD has been around for a long time. Much longer than it was ever "documented".

Do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

[kyle1974]

well it's pretty clear that some people just want to wave a torch and pitchfork over CWD.

if Sippy is right about deer not being transported here in the last 7 years, then what happened?

was it being covered up with false testing?

Is it possible to transport the prions in feed??

There are too many assumptions about breeders without acknowledging the fact the test a far higher percentage of their deer than free range.

Maybe a free range deer rubbed noses with a deer inside the high fence, then a high fence deer rubbed noses with a deer inside the pens.

M16 - do you really want to KNOW, or are you just going to default to yelling at the kids off your lawn like usual?

[crc]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

well it's pretty clear that some people just want to wave a torch and pitchfork over CWD.

if Sippy is right about deer not being transported here in the last 7 years, then what happened?

was it being covered up with false testing?

Is it possible to transport the prions in feed??

There are too many assumptions about breeders without acknowledging the fact the test a far higher percentage of their deer than free range.

Maybe a free range deer rubbed noses with a deer inside the high fence, then a high fence deer rubbed noses with a deer inside the pens.

M16 - do you really want to KNOW, or are you just going to default to yelling at the kids off your lawn like usual?

Would you knowingly eat a CWD infected deer?

[gtsticker]

Originally Posted by Sippy

This breeder hasn’t had any deer transferred in in 7+ years.

I have a handful that were purchased from him a few months ago at a facility. All deer were live tested before they were moved and were negative, now I likely have to kill them all.

Bull ****. We have a deer from that facility and now we have to test every deer we kill.


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[gtsticker]

Previous owner brought deer in for put and take


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[M16]

Originally Posted by crc

Would you knowingly eat a CWD infected deer?

Hell no. But I don’t eat deer meat. I prefer beef.

[kyle1974]

Originally Posted by crc

Would you knowingly eat a CWD infected deer?

that goes without saying... that's not really a "gotcha" comment.

the bigger question here is do we want to actually find out the source of CWD, or do we want to create enough panic to get the breeders out of business?

[M16]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

that goes without saying... that's not really a "gotcha" comment.

the bigger question here is do we want to actually find out the source of CWD, or do we want to create enough panic to get the breeders out of business?

Breed all the deer you want. Just don’t transport them.

[kyle1974]

Originally Posted by M16

Breed all the deer you want. Just don’t transport them.

what if I just bought my dream property that I'd like to high fence, and bring in better genetics?

without additional end users for the deer, there is no market for deer breeders.

[crc]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

that goes without saying... that's not really a "gotcha" comment.

It is though

[crc]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

what if I just bought my dream property that I'd like to high fence, and bring in better genetics?

without additional end users for the deer, there is no market for deer breeders.

Yes, your need for trophy deer supersedes everyone else that just want to hunt deer without them being infected. Great argument.

[bullets13]

Originally Posted by M16

Wouldn’t it be great if we just quit transporting deer?

but if we did that, tens of people wouldn't make lots of money! Who cares what effects it has on the average hunter!

[slayer]

Originally Posted by crc

Yes, your need for trophy deer supersedes everyone else that just want to hunt deer without them being infected. Great argument.

Yep, that's called the American Way! He has the money, the resources, why should I stop him because I can't or don't want to afford it. easier to sit around and ***** and moan. Much more testing needs to happen to find out why first. I personally believe they are bringing it in the feed/Hay. . .

[crc]

Originally Posted by slayer

Yep, that's called the American Way! He has the money, the resources, why should I stop him because I can't or don't want to afford it. easier to sit around and ***** and moan. Much more testing needs to happen to find out why first. I personally believe they are bringing it in the feed/Hay. . .

Would you knowingly eat a CWD infected deer?

[MASTERS]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

what if I just bought my dream property that I'd like to high fence, and bring in better genetics?

without additional end users for the deer, there is no market for deer breeders.

Lol, probably be better to bring in Santa gertrudis or beefmasters instead.

[kyle1974]

Originally Posted by crc

Yes, your need for trophy deer supersedes everyone else that just want to hunt deer without them being infected. Great argument.

Cool argument comrade. What other rights would you like to remove from landowners?

Did you know that the first cases of CWD in Texas were from free range Mule deer? This isn’t a situation invented by deer breeders

[Encinal]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

that goes without saying... that's not really a "gotcha" comment.

the bigger question here is do we want to actually find out the source of CWD, or do we want to create enough panic to get the breeders out of business?

Finding the source is great, but slowing the spread is even more important.

Can you legitimately say with a straight face that the transportation of exposed live deer across the state has not increased the risk of CWD spread significantly more than it would have spread otherwise?


Ill put this here for reference... and keep in mind this is from 2021 before all these more recent positive detections.

[crc]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

Cool argument comrade. What other rights would you like to remove from landowners?

Did you know that the first cases of CWD in Texas were from free range Mule deer? This isn’t a situation invented by deer breeders

Yeah it's unprecedented in these United States to actively manage and protect our wildlife for future generations. You're right.

[kyle1974]

Originally Posted by Encinal

Finding the source is great, but slowing the spread is even more important.

Can you legitimately say with a straight face that the transportation of exposed live deer across the state has not increased the risk of CWD spread significantly more than it would have spread otherwise?


Ill put this here for reference... and keep in mind this is from 2021 before all these more recent positive detections.

how do you slow the spread of something without knowing how it's spreading? reactionary measures that facilitate the removal of a disliked industry?

the deer are going from PENS (a double or sometimes triple high fence environment) to another high fence environment. They're not taking deer out of pens and dumping them into public free range areas.

this entire argument is ridiculous. they're transporting deer from one container to another container.

if deer trailers were flipping over and the deer were running free, you'd have a better argument.

I can say with an absolute straight face that I think the exponential increase of testing has a lot more to do with the "spread" than the transportation of deer does.