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Old 03-27-2020, 08:13 PM   #1
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So I have recently purchased a property that has a bad washout/gully that separates the front from the back.
Iím sure some of yíall have encountered this problem and SOLVED it !
Here is what I got.
20í wide 20í deep, no way to do a low crossing due to elevations.
Land is eroding due to sandy loam. Itís deep and steep.
I have no problem designing and building the bridge I am welder by trade.
Mainly needing help on the retaining wall designs to stop the erosion from undermining my bridge and eventually being a 40í wide opening.
Would love to see pics of what yíall have done.
Not Rich or Retired so time and money are always important.
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:07 PM   #2
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:15 PM   #3
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You need headwalls. Since you are a welder you can probably find “tank steel” if there are any oilfield type scrap yards close to you. Drive piling out of 5”/6” pipe, tie them together at the top and also sink a couple back in the approach so that the weight of the dirt won’t force them outward. Do this on each approach. You can drive the pipe piling with an excavator bucket. You’re almost gonna have to have one anyway to hang the steel. Weld your bridge to the pilings and you’re in business.
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:17 PM   #4
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:25 PM   #5
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40 ft shipping container. I think there was a thread about using one on here.
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:34 PM   #6
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Old 03-28-2020, 05:19 AM   #7
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Good info here....
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Old 03-28-2020, 08:22 AM   #8
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I bought a 45í flatbed trailer and used it for my creek crossing. The bogies & jacks were cut off and 10í six inch pipe were welded on. Holes were dug and it was set in place then concreted.
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Old 03-28-2020, 08:30 AM   #9
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Nice. What did you end up having in it?
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Old 03-28-2020, 08:31 AM   #10
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I have been toying with the idea of flatbed trailer, but I can prob weld a new I beam structure across just as easy.
Really wanting pics and ideas for the retaining walls more than the actual bridge.
I am trying to figure best way to retain a deep sandy creek bed.
Thanks again for all your time!
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Old 03-28-2020, 08:48 AM   #11
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Start stacking cement bags. I built my bulk head out of cement bags. They use them on the Guadalupe as retaining walls as well. I walk has over 30k lbs of bags :-)
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Nice. What did you end up having in it?
~$3k.
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Old 03-28-2020, 09:24 AM   #13
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Had a small one built off site and a larger one built in place.
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Old 03-28-2020, 09:38 AM   #14
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40 ft shipping container. I think there was a thread about using one on here.
Not if its a lot of water. There was a fella down the road that attempted to use 2. Sure they lasted a few years then they caved in from all the water. HUGE mess to remove them. I think theyre just too thin.
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Old 03-28-2020, 09:49 AM   #15
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Old 03-28-2020, 02:04 PM   #16
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It is definitely a problem. We had a couple of culverts washed out till we poured a proper cement bulkhead.
Our bridge is built over a 12’ deep creek bed
And a 20’ span. We drove metal pipes under the span and welded beams.
After many years of the year around creek getting out of its banks, it has never washed out underneath the ends of the bridge.
I wonder if the answer might be a serious bulkhead with large rocks place upstream on each bank

Good luck and let us know how you did it.

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Old 03-28-2020, 02:51 PM   #17
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Looks like a lot of good info in that fema publication.
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Old 03-28-2020, 04:30 PM   #18
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great designs above. Thanks for posting
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:16 PM   #19
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A friend of mine has 2 old county road bridges for sale in Brady if anyone is interested.
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Old 03-28-2020, 09:28 PM   #20
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Def going to need a bulkhead of some kind!
The Fema page is very helpful. Going out to property tomorrow to start an assessment.
Thanks again for everyone’s input and ideas.
Keep em coming .
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Old 03-28-2020, 10:30 PM   #21
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Had the same deal. Keep patching it. Came back culverts gone. 30í hole and 100í length. Track hoe and 3 new 36Ē x40í culverts. **** ton of clay, rock and grass seed..not cheap but I was cut off to 1/2 my property. Last few years have been tough...about 7k. I wish I had better news man
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Old 03-28-2020, 11:23 PM   #22
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If you use the bags of sackcrete for your bulkhead, drive pieces of rebar through them to keep them from sliding off.
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Old 03-29-2020, 08:05 AM   #23
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Def going to need a bulkhead of some kind!
The Fema page is very helpful. Going out to property tomorrow to start an assessment.
Thanks again for everyoneís input and ideas.
Keep em coming .


Take some photos and post them to help show exactly what you are working with


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Old 03-29-2020, 08:25 AM   #24
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Telephone poles tied it off with cable from harbor freight. Got some sawed into planks used them for cross members a d runners.

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Old 03-29-2020, 10:13 AM   #26
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We used an old railroad car tanker.
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Old 03-29-2020, 01:20 PM   #27
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Good recs so far. Could also think about using gabion baskets for the bulkheads with concrete footers.
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Old 03-29-2020, 06:36 PM   #28
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Ok here are pics from today!
Pics serve no justice on depth.
25í across 20í down in the hole
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We have an old flat rail car. Not sure what the correct name for that would be. it has been there 20+ years.

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Old 03-30-2020, 07:59 AM   #30
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Lots of bridge ideas, once again I have no concerns with bridges that much.
Really wanting to see the bulkheads and retaining wall ideas.
I can build a bridge no prob, just curious about the creek bed and ways to retain very erosive soil.
I don’t want to build the finest bridge in all the land, just to watch it eventually fall into the creek.
Once again, I know some of you have dealt with this particular problem and solved it.
I do appreciate everyone’s time on this matter .
Keep them pics coming !
Thanks in advance .
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:08 AM   #31
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Sakrete, as stated before, is your most logical use for abutments. Metal pilings and large stone riprap are another option.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:17 AM   #32
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We actually had the county road bridge builder do our small bridge. We have taken loaded cement trucks over it.
On my lease the rancher has a similar creek crossing and he built long ramps through the creek banks and cemented the bottom Of the crossing.

you have a serious project. Best of luck.
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We fought our creek crossing for years. We are in East texas so our biggest problem was limbs washing down the creek and plugging up the culverts.

So we ended up plating off both sides building a small header walls then filled it full of rock and gravel. This made a low water crossing we have done this in 2 places and it works great. We run dozers across it alot so a bridge wasnt really an option also due to our gap was way to wide.
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We actually had the county road bridge builder do our small bridge. We have taken loaded cement trucks over it.
On my lease the rancher has a similar creek crossing and he built long ramps through the creek banks and cemented the bottom Of the crossing.

you have a serious project. Best of luck.
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Old 03-30-2020, 12:00 PM   #35
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I have a friend that pushed numerous pilings on each flow side and welded heavy plate recessed into the bank at an angle (bought plate at an auction from a road construction company). He had bull rock in nets (steel) placed on the banks and then had a gunite crew come out and shoot it. It worked great but was expensive. He sold the place but I will check and see if he has pictures.
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I don't know about the hole but there has to be arrowheads in that road right up the hill. Gotta be a site!
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I don't know about the hole but there has to be arrowheads in that road right up the hill. Gotta be a site!
Iím hoping to find some goodies up there for sure !
It is the top of the highest hill around for a ways, with great edges overlooking creek beds.
Iím looking into welding big plates of steel to form a bulkhead then gonna clear span with I beams for bridge.
I always feel at home with Steel and know how to manipulate her !
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Just curious..wouldn't it be a lot cheaper and easier to hire a dozer to create a low water crossing with entrance and exits from the creek bed?
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Lots of bridge ideas, once again I have no concerns with bridges that much.
Really wanting to see the bulkheads and retaining wall ideas.
I can build a bridge no prob, just curious about the creek bed and ways to retain very erosive soil.
I donít want to build the finest bridge in all the land, just to watch it eventually fall into the creek.
Once again, I know some of you have dealt with this particular problem and solved it.
I do appreciate everyoneís time on this matter .
Keep them pics coming !
Thanks in advance .
Your friend ďDĒ
As I said in my post above, your problem can be solved by building headwalls from tank steel and piling. I have no drawings and itís hard to explain if youíve never seen it, but Iíve done plenty in 40 years of oilfield construction. Not only on bridges, but large culverts and tank cars. The process is not hard and not as labor intensive as the sackcrete, and will last longer than you will.
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Sakrete, as stated before, is your most logical use for abutments. Metal pilings and large stone riprap are another option.
I am wanting to put on also, but for a far less drastic drop.

What would be the solution with Sakrete? Stack them on top of each other, but leaving cracks for water to flow?
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:32 PM   #43
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Just curious..wouldn't it be a lot cheaper and easier to hire a dozer to create a low water crossing with entrance and exits from the creek bed?
Problem with this is the low water crossing will washout every time it rains
Pure sandy soil that has washed concrete culverts and every rock ever put in it away.

The pics will show you the bottom of creek that goes deeper after every rain.
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As I said in my post above, your problem can be solved by building headwalls from tank steel and piling. I have no drawings and itís hard to explain if youíve never seen it, but Iíve done plenty in 40 years of oilfield construction. Not only on bridges, but large culverts and tank cars. The process is not hard and not as labor intensive as the sackcrete, and will last longer than you will.
Yes this is the direction Iím leaning, some kind of steel retainer or pilings !
Do you still do this work ?
Would love to hear out of any contractors that do this kind of work.
Def donít want sackrete walls !
Seen too many of those fail and doesnít seem cost efficient IMHO.
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Anyone used any Gabion Baskets ?
Looks like something I can make easily and cost efficient.
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Buy an old 18 wheeler flatbed and put it in there it creates a great bridge


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Anyone used any Gabion Baskets ?
Looks like something I can make easily and cost efficient.
I donít know what that is and I donít do any work anymore, Iím retired. Any good contractor could do that for you, about the only thing youíll need is an excavator to drive the pipe pilings if youíre gonna be there to supervise and weld. Probably need a helper of some kind, and maybe a tractor w/bucket, backhoe or small dozer to clean up afterwards.
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Anyone used any Gabion Baskets ?
Looks like something I can make easily and cost efficient.
Just looking back at this. That is what my friend used (mentioned above) and then had them shot with gunite.
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