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Old 01-17-2020, 03:59 AM   #51
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If you're dumb enough to get your signs stolen and dumb enough to not know it's happening....the wrong manager got fired.
And that folks.... is the good old Aggie code
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Ok. Iíll bite. And many wonít like what Iím going to say. But here it is.

WHO GIVES A ****???? Seriously....

After more years than most spent playing, coaching, and mentoring in the sport with kids of all ages, (including college players) I donít care one bit about the ďcheatingĒ. Here is my $0.02. Stealing signs has been a part of the game since the game has been played. Itís part of the game. It always has been and always will be. I spent hours and hours as a player trying to depict and decode signs that a third base coach was giving base runners to get an edge. And when I cracked the code, you can bet I called for a pitch out and hosed runners by 10 feet or more stealing second or third. As a base runner, you can bet your sweet *** I was picking up signs from second base and relaying them to the batter. Itís part of the game. The only difference between that and what the Astros, Boston, Yankees, and many other teams were doing is they used video which got the same results. What do you expect when you allow iPads and monitors in a dugout? The game isnít played the same anymore. Itís about analytics, percentages based off the pitchers tendencies in certain situations and pitch counts, hitters contact and fly ball to ground ball ratios, and just about any other stat you can think of. MLB is at fault for what occurred, not the teams that took advantage of it. If you want to fix the issue, take all the BS technology out of the game and play it the way it was meant to be played. By the feel of the game and what your eyes tell you. Not what a dam computer says. And most importantly, if you donít want your signs being stolen, change them. Be it inning to inning, batter to batter, game to game, or what ever works. Be smarter than the guy your playing against. And, if a guy is picking signs at second and relating them to the batter, give him a fastball in the ribs his next time up to bat..... play the dam game!

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Completely agree. They are trying to stop something that they canít prevent and itís just part of the game.
What pi$$es me off are all the crybabies whining about it.
They are just upset their guys werenít better at doing the same thing because if you believe for one second that ever team isnít trying to do it then you are just stupid. Instead of wasting all this time on the guys stealing signs why not try to figure out a better way to give and hide the signs. You have to adapt as the game evolves.



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Stealing signs is part of the game, BUT USING A Video camera hidden in center field to do it, is cheating-no debate.


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Like politics, sports and sports arguments makes us all idiots.

Um, cheating is wrong?
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If it took "cheating" to make Astros baseball interesting, then I'm all for it. Made for some good games!

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Stealing signs is part of the game, BUT USING A Video camera hidden in center field to do it, is cheating-no debate.


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Pretty much this.. .. no matter how much you try to justify it in your mind to protect your team, it all boils down to this. Simple straightforward ....

And Iíd be right there trying to justify it to whoever would listen for the Rangers as well.. and Iíd be wrong.

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Pretty much this.. .. no matter how much you try to justify it in your mind to protect your team, it all boils down to this. Simple straightforward ....

And Iíd be right there trying to justify it to whoever would listen for the Rangers as well.. and Iíd be wrong.
My thought exactly. A rant doesnít make you right....but they pretty clearly said donít use electronics.m - donít recall them saying donít steal signs. We used electronics so itís time to pay the price regardless of who we rooted for.

Will be interesting to see if we have any hitters now
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Pretty much this.. .. no matter how much you try to justify it in your mind to protect your team, it all boils down to this. Simple straightforward ....

And Iíd be right there trying to justify it to whoever would listen for the Rangers as well.. and Iíd be wrong.
If This was last years Nats that did this it would be completely different discussion.
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Old 01-17-2020, 07:54 AM   #59
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Ok. Iíll bite. And many wonít like what Iím going to say. But here it is.

WHO GIVES A ****???? Seriously....

After more years than most spent playing, coaching, and mentoring in the sport with kids of all ages, (including college players) I donít care one bit about the ďcheatingĒ. Here is my $0.02. Stealing signs has been a part of the game since the game has been played. Itís part of the game. It always has been and always will be. I spent hours and hours as a player trying to depict and decode signs that a third base coach was giving base runners to get an edge. And when I cracked the code, you can bet I called for a pitch out and hosed runners by 10 feet or more stealing second or third. As a base runner, you can bet your sweet *** I was picking up signs from second base and relaying them to the batter. Itís part of the game. The only difference between that and what the Astros, Boston, Yankees, and many other teams were doing is they used video which got the same results. What do you expect when you allow iPads and monitors in a dugout? The game isnít played the same anymore. Itís about analytics, percentages based off the pitchers tendencies in certain situations and pitch counts, hitters contact and fly ball to ground ball ratios, and just about any other stat you can think of. MLB is at fault for what occurred, not the teams that took advantage of it. If you want to fix the issue, take all the BS technology out of the game and play it the way it was meant to be played. By the feel of the game and what your eyes tell you. Not what a dam computer says. And most importantly, if you donít want your signs being stolen, change them. Be it inning to inning, batter to batter, game to game, or what ever works. Be smarter than the guy your playing against. And, if a guy is picking signs at second and relating them to the batter, give him a fastball in the ribs his next time up to bat..... play the dam game!

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Can I get a refund? Sign stealing is common, but the issue isn't with a batter or base runner stealing a signal. It is using devices planted to steal signals and relayed by live feed to the batters. I have no issue with a base runner or batter trying to steal a sign, however this is significantly worse.
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If it took "cheating" to make Astros baseball interesting, then I'm all for it. Made for some good games!

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As someone who has worked in a few sports arenas, doing Hockey, basketball, baseball and has worked five world series with cameramen and various sports networks. I have seen the ability of the cameraman to zoom in on anything. It is incredible. Teams have been able to do that for quite some time. Use technology to cheat. Maybe just the Astros and Sawx were the only ones to get caught.
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Rangers are still trash.......
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It’s like trying to learn someone’s tell in cards or using a camera to see the cards and using a device to relay the hand to another player. One is part of the game and the other should get you shot.

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Obviously baseball isn't for some of you. Tradition & integrity still have a place in the game for some of us. If you think the uproar is only about sign stealing, you're missing the whole point. Sign stealing has been & will forever continue to be part of the game, and I have absolutely no problem with that. It's when your not smart enough to do it right, (using only your ears & eyes to do it, analog-style) and must have cameras, microphones, buzzers, & other electronic **** that doesn't belong. Plain & simple, that's not gamesmanship, it's cheating.
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Well, I wouldnít say I would and I wouldnít say I wouldnít but I will say this... a man that wonít look for any edge he can when millions of dollars are at stake, donít want them bad enough


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This^

Obviously baseball isn't for some of you. Tradition & integrity still have a place in the game for some of us. If you think the uproar is only about sign stealing, you're missing the whole point. Sign stealing has been & will forever continue to be part of the game, and I have absolutely no problem with that. It's when your not smart enough to do it right, (using only your ears & eyes to do it, analog-style) and must have cameras, microphones, buzzers, & other electronic **** that doesn't belong. Plain & simple, that's not gamesmanship, it's cheating.

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As someone who has worked in a few sports arenas, doing Hockey, basketball, baseball and has worked five world series with cameramen and various sports networks. I have seen the ability of the cameraman to zoom in on anything. It is incredible. Teams have been able to do that for quite some time. Use technology to cheat. Maybe just the Astros and Sawx were the only ones to get caught.
I'm sure. This is why Manfred strongly warned, and then punished the way they did. Hes getting thrashed by some but hes doing the right thing (hardly ever the popular thing), all other grievances aside.
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This^

Obviously baseball isn't for some of you. Tradition & integrity still have a place in the game for some of us. If you think the uproar is only about sign stealing, you're missing the whole point. Sign stealing has been & will forever continue to be part of the game, and I have absolutely no problem with that. It's when your not smart enough to do it right, (using only your ears & eyes to do it, analog-style) and must have cameras, microphones, buzzers, & other electronic **** that doesn't belong. Plain & simple, that's not gamesmanship, it's cheating.
Agreed. How are people confusing the two???
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Get the electronics out of the dugout and it goes back.to the old style of competitive advantage.

But all major sports have huge money contracts with tech. companies that they will not terminate. When the on deck batter can analyze pitches before the ball leaves the catchers hand, things like this will be exploited.

Verlander cried all year about the ball being different. I wonder if he will now say others were stealing the signs
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This^

Obviously baseball isn't for some of you. Tradition & integrity still have a place in the game for some of us. If you think the uproar is only about sign stealing, you're missing the whole point. Sign stealing has been & will forever continue to be part of the game, and I have absolutely no problem with that. It's when your not smart enough to do it right, (using only your ears & eyes to do it, analog-style) and must have cameras, microphones, buzzers, & other electronic **** that doesn't belong. Plain & simple, that's not gamesmanship, it's cheating.
Look around you. The world is a changin. Technology is very advanced. Things aren't the same as they were in our youth.

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Can I get a refund? Sign stealing is common, but the issue isn't with a batter or base runner stealing a signal. It is using devices planted to steal signals and relayed by live feed to the batters. I have no issue with a base runner or batter trying to steal a sign, however this is significantly worse.
How was this relayed live to the batters....??
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IF that photo truly showed a wire on the dude, IN THE CLUBHOUSE after the game, everyone on the Astros would need to be fired for being too stupid to remove it before the party started it wasn't a wire, cause they're not idiots...no matter if they cheated or didn't cheat

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Will be interesting to see if we have any hitters now
We will and its gonna be enjoyable to watch

Well, up until one of them hits a slump anyways. Then the media will harass them to death until they turn into a full out jackass, and then everyone will feel justified in every accusation, be the accusations right or wrong. It's the way of the world these days
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This^

Obviously baseball isn't for some of you. Tradition & integrity still have a place in the game for some of us. If you think the uproar is only about sign stealing, you're missing the whole point. Sign stealing has been & will forever continue to be part of the game, and I have absolutely no problem with that. It's when your not smart enough to do it right, (using only your ears & eyes to do it, analog-style) and must have cameras, microphones, buzzers, & other electronic **** that doesn't belong. Plain & simple, that's not gamesmanship, it's cheating.

Ok let me ask you. Do you reckon the Astros are the only team in the league doing this...?
If you believe that you're naive.

Mark this post -
All the teams in the league were doing the same thing. Dig into it some. MLB then issued a league wide warning in 9/2017. Everyone essentially ignored it. The league wanted to shut it down. Who better to pick to send a message than a recent champ? They would never do it to the Sox or Nats. (One of MLBs storied franchises and the Cinderella darling Champ from last year.
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IF that photo truly showed a wire on the dude, IN THE CLUBHOUSE after the game, everyone on the Astros would need to be fired for being too stupid to remove it before the party started it wasn't a wire, cause they're not idiots...no matter if they cheated or didn't cheat







We will and its gonna be enjoyable to watch



Well, up until one of them hits a slump anyways. Then the media will harass them to death until they turn into a full out jackass, and then everyone will feel justified in every accusation, be the accusations right or wrong. It's the way of the world these days


I hear ya. No doubt they can hit. Pretty sure it was confirmed and not just accusations at this point though. At least thatís what the results from numerous player interviews revealed as well as coaches.


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So you are saying its ok to use electronic devices to steal signs or gain an advantage without the other team (visitors) having the same advantage....because the world is changin'?

Same som bitches saying this is fine were probably calling Belichick and Brady cheaters with Spygate and Deflategate. And yes.....I called them cheaters as well although the ball thing was weird.





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How was this relayed live to the batters....??

Bang Bang...Have you not read all the reports?

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Man y’all stop the wire gossip.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-viral-videos



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I agree. Let em all cheat. Going to a game and seeing 7 dingers is a blast!
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No wonder the Rangers are bad. No one's been accused of any wrong doings!
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I hear ya. No doubt they can hit. Pretty sure it was confirmed and not just accusations at this point though. At least thatís what the results from numerous player interviews revealed as well as coaches.


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I meant that as a general statement on the way the media works...and I don't think every single player took part in/abided by the scheme. Not gonna make a guarantee of any sorts, as no one else should either until it is proven that all players cheated, or they admit that they cheated. Others can do what they wish...I've never liked the guilty until proven innocent aspect of sports (or life for that matter), not for the PED era, Patriots situations, College infractions, this situation, or any other instance. I may be a little too believing of humanity, but I like to think the best of folks until I see proof otherwise. And yeah, I've been an Astros fan for over 40 years, I have loved them through the good times and the bad...and I hate the fact that they (organization in general) have been proven to have cheated.

And I usually try to stay out of these threads heck, I try to avoid posting in sports threads in general...some folks get too worked up over sports, and take being a "fanatic" to a whole different level. Not saying that will happen here, but its why I usually avoid posting in the CFB threads and sports threads in general
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I went to Minute Maid with someone who told me all about this season before last. We found 9 cameras. They are not just stealing signs from centerfield y'all, they are stealing everything, everywhere. And storing all the footage for analysis later. The Braves have nearly as many cameras.

This is the decade of analytics. Like it or don't - it is, and it will continue as such. This will get a lot more interesting as time goes by. The instant information available to those on the inside is truly astounding to me.
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Ok. Iíll bite. And many wonít like what Iím going to say. But here it is.

WHO GIVES A ****???? Seriously....

After more years than most spent playing, coaching, and mentoring in the sport with kids of all ages, (including college players) I donít care one bit about the ďcheatingĒ. Here is my $0.02. Stealing signs has been a part of the game since the game has been played. Itís part of the game. It always has been and always will be. I spent hours and hours as a player trying to depict and decode signs that a third base coach was giving base runners to get an edge. And when I cracked the code, you can bet I called for a pitch out and hosed runners by 10 feet or more stealing second or third. As a base runner, you can bet your sweet *** I was picking up signs from second base and relaying them to the batter. Itís part of the game. The only difference between that and what the Astros, Boston, Yankees, and many other teams were doing is they used video which got the same results. What do you expect when you allow iPads and monitors in a dugout? The game isnít played the same anymore. Itís about analytics, percentages based off the pitchers tendencies in certain situations and pitch counts, hitters contact and fly ball to ground ball ratios, and just about any other stat you can think of. MLB is at fault for what occurred, not the teams that took advantage of it. If you want to fix the issue, take all the BS technology out of the game and play it the way it was meant to be played. By the feel of the game and what your eyes tell you. Not what a dam computer says. And most importantly, if you donít want your signs being stolen, change them. Be it inning to inning, batter to batter, game to game, or what ever works. Be smarter than the guy your playing against. And, if a guy is picking signs at second and relating them to the batter, give him a fastball in the ribs his next time up to bat..... play the dam game!

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Agreed. I played College baseball and sign "stealing" (if that is what we are calling it) has always been part of the game. Hell, we had a coach on the team that it was part of his job to break the code the other teams signs. Seems to me a bunch of butt hurting is going on.
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Agreed. I played College baseball and sign "stealing" (if that is what we are calling it) has always been part of the game. Hell, we had a coach on the team that it was part of his job to break the code the other teams signs. Seems to me a bunch of butt hurting is going on.



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I meant that as a general statement on the way the media works...and I don't think every single player took part in/abided by the scheme. Not gonna make a guarantee of any sorts, as no one else should either until it is proven that all players cheated, or they admit that they cheated. Others can do what they wish...I've never liked the guilty until proven innocent aspect of sports (or life for that matter), not for the PED era, Patriots situations, College infractions, this situation, or any other instance. I may be a little too believing of humanity, but I like to think the best of folks until I see proof otherwise. And yeah, I've been an Astros fan for over 40 years, I have loved them through the good times and the bad...and I hate the fact that they (organization in general) have been proven to have cheated.



And I usually try to stay out of these threads heck, I try to avoid posting in sports threads in general...some folks get too worked up over sports, and take being a "fanatic" to a whole different level. Not saying that will happen here, but its why I usually avoid posting in the CFB threads and sports threads in general


Haaa. I hear ya! Iím not that big a sports fan to bother with this whole thing honestly but the days of speaking up for integrity seem to be slipping away especially is all


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Hope thatís sufficient.
Close thread!

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Man y’all stop the wire gossip.

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Hope that’s sufficient.

Warning language...you ask how it was relayed? This is old news but it sounds like you are just getting into this so...










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I agree. Let em all cheat. Going to a game and seeing 7 dingers is a blast!



Hey if everybody has the same advantage even as the visiting team, knock yourself out. But really that ruins 50% of the skill, if you will, that is hitting .....kinda spoils that aspect of the game. It's just making contact with a known pitch after that. And the pitcher loses their deception advantage....
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This^

Obviously baseball isn't for some of you. Tradition & integrity still have a place in the game for some of us. If you think the uproar is only about sign stealing, you're missing the whole point. Sign stealing has been & will forever continue to be part of the game, and I have absolutely no problem with that. It's when your not smart enough to do it right, (using only your ears & eyes to do it, analog-style) and must have cameras, microphones, buzzers, & other electronic **** that doesn't belong. Plain & simple, that's not gamesmanship, it's cheating.

The traditionalists & integrity group needs to place the blame this mess (roid era too) on MLB front office for allowing it to happen. They knew it was going on since 2017 and did absolutely nothing to stop it other than issue a warning. Isn't it their job to insure the integrity of the game?

In 2017 they could have alerted each team there would be MLB officials spot checking dugouts during games for the entire season to insure the integrity of the game is kept in tact. Problem solved. .
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He lost me 5 seconds in when calling a breaking ball a change up.

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Ya can't hit another player in football anymore?
Ya get tossed out of hockey game for fighting now?
Nascar spends millions to prevent wreck?
Now ya can't steal signs in baseball?

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I should have just hit the back arrow.........failed
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:25 AM   #88
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So you are saying its ok to use electronic devices to steal signs or gain an advantage without the other team (visitors) having the same advantage....because the world is changin'?

Same som bitches saying this is fine were probably calling Belichick and Brady cheaters with Spygate and Deflategate. And yes.....I called them cheaters as well although the ball thing was weird.








Bang Bang...Have you not read all the reports?
I'm not sure how I feel really. Everyone was using PEDs so who cares. eerbody stealing signs so who cares. LOL.

Targeting calls and the lack of hitting causing scores and offense to sky rocket in football is far more troubling to me.
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I hear ya. No doubt they can hit. Pretty sure it was confirmed and not just accusations at this point though. At least thatís what the results from numerous player interviews revealed as well as coaches.


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They did not use wires or buzzers or any other electronic device attached to their bodies. The sign stealing was limited to the CF camera and the monitor next to the dugout. It has been widely debunked that they used devices on their bodies
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They did not use wires or buzzers or any other electronic device attached to their bodies. The sign stealing was limited to the CF camera and the monitor next to the dugout. It has been widely debunked that they used devices on their bodies


I was referring to the camera. Donít care and donít know about the devices allegedly on body and debunked. Go Texans haaaa. New coach???


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They did not use wires or buzzers or any other electronic device attached to their bodies. The sign stealing was limited to the CF camera and the monitor next to the dugout. It has been widely debunked that they used devices on their bodies
So what was Altuve doing and saying as he approached home plate?

He was definitely saying no and grabbing/protecting his collar.

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Old 01-17-2020, 10:56 AM   #92
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Look around you. The world is a changin. Technology is very advanced. Things aren't the same as they were in our youth.
Yeah, I get it. Does that mean that just because the technology exists to do something that it should be legal?

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Ok let me ask you. Do you reckon the Astros are the only team in the league doing this...?
If you believe that you're naive.

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All the teams in the league were doing the same thing. Dig into it some. MLB then issued a league wide warning in 9/2017. Everyone essentially ignored it. The league wanted to shut it down. Who better to pick to send a message than a recent champ? They would never do it to the Sox or Nats. (One of MLBs storied franchises and the Cinderella darling Champ from last year.
Never said or suggested that they were the only ones doing it. There's no place in the game for it, period. I am a Rangers fan and have been since they came to Arlington. If they were doing it, they should be punished as well. My traditionalist view doesn't discriminate.
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:59 AM   #93
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I'm not trying to start any kind of argument. I'm enjoying reading the thread and different views on the subject and the comments of "how the game should be" and "traditionalist" got me thinking. Does anyone relate this to hunting and feel like the use of trail cameras takes away from the "traditional" ways of what we all love to do? Maybe this should be a entire thread on its own...
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Saw somewhere that they had the bullpen catchers in on the act too, using some type of messaging device or walkie talkie from the monitor in the clubhouse. Hands on the fence for this, elbows on the fence for that....
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:03 AM   #95
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I'm not trying to start any kind of argument. I'm enjoying reading the thread and different views on the subject and the comments of "how the game should be" and "traditionalist" got me thinking. Does anyone relate this to hunting and feel like the use of trail cameras takes away from the "traditional" ways of what we all love to do? Maybe this should be a entire thread on its own...
Believe that's been discussed a few times here before
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Stealing signs is part of the game, BUT USING A Video camera hidden in center field to do it, is cheating-no debate.


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It wasnít cheating. There were no rules in 2017 in regards to cameras with live feeds and video monitoring. It went into affect in 18. All allegations are for 17.


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Can I get a refund? Sign stealing is common, but the issue isn't with a batter or base runner stealing a signal. It is using devices planted to steal signals and relayed by live feed to the batters. I have no issue with a base runner or batter trying to steal a sign, however this is significantly worse.


Read my post above. There were no rules in 2017 regarding video feeds or locations of live feed cameras. Kinda of like there were no rules against certain PED drugs in the 90ís. If there isnít a rule against something that can increase odds of winning or performance, expect anyone smart enough to figure it out to take advantage of it....


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I'm not trying to start any kind of argument. I'm enjoying reading the thread and different views on the subject and the comments of "how the game should be" and "traditionalist" got me thinking. Does anyone relate this to hunting and feel like the use of trail cameras takes away from the "traditional" ways of what we all love to do? Maybe this should be a entire thread on its own...



When somebody starts a paragraph "I'm not trying to start an argument", the information immediately following will usually start an argument.


To answer your question.... yes.... but it also creates a whole slew of positive usage as well. Just like car did to horses and calculators did to abacuses. The difference here is everybody has access to them if they want ......
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Obviously baseball isn't for some of you. Tradition & integrity still have a place in the game for some of us. If you think the uproar is only about sign stealing, you're missing the whole point. Sign stealing has been & will forever continue to be part of the game, and I have absolutely no problem with that. It's when your not smart enough to do it right, (using only your ears & eyes to do it, analog-style) and must have cameras, microphones, buzzers, & other electronic **** that doesn't belong. Plain & simple, that's not gamesmanship, it's cheating.


I agree with 99%. The one disagreement is that in 2017 it wasnít cheating. Does that mean I agree, no. Bc I agree with the rest of your statement.


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