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    #31
    I leased land on the Rio Grande for over 30 years from Bill Moody. He had a ranch that at one time ran all the way from South of Del Rio to Eagle Pass. For the last 60 years it ran from Del Rio to Quemado, over 20 miles of riverfront border. Mr. Moody had a very good relationship with the Border Patrol, and in fact had contracts with the gubment and BP for access, maintenance and patrol. It was just part of his ranching operations. This included vast acerage of agriculture as well as cattle ranching. YEARS ago this whole wall thing was negotiated with Mr. Moody and the outcome of that was to build a wall that did NOT cut off access for the areas where grazing was currently allowed. Gates/passages were to be provided... Mr. Moody has passed now and his estate sold the ranch, but I'd think those agreements probably transcended ownership change.

    Originally posted by doghouse View Post
    Just talking and not arguing. What if you had no problem on your property. I'm just curious. I own property on the Colorado river in Mills county. It would hurt me bad on grazing for livestock if they moved the fence 100 yards from the river. No big deal.
    This is totally a non-issue as ALL cattle/livestock on the US side of the river has NO access to the river directly. There are a series of quarantine fences that keep livestock on our side of the river from coming in contact with Mesican livestock. USDA personnel patrol the border for Mesican cattle/livestock and other animals (exotics) that may cross the river.


    Originally posted by batmaninja View Post
    I want to say farming is much bigger than cattle on the border. But if you need access for livestock you could fence the entire length of an owners property but leave access gates open to water. They would also make pinch points for travel that could be more easily monitored. And if you need access to the river for farming, I am sure they could run canals. In reality though the parts of the mighty Rio Grande that I have seen, I could almost spit across.
    Again there is currently NO direct access to the river by livestock/cattle. But as stated above, provisions had been made for the Moody ranches to maintain access to the agricultural land.

    As a matter of fact and interest, the Maverick Dam that is the "weir" built across the Rio Grande to control the water level for irrigation of the whole RGV is on the Moody Ranch about 15 miles below the Amistad dam. There is a canal system that has its source right there that runs all through the RGV for irrigation for farmers all over the Valley. There is vast agricultural activity on the ranch next to the river and was reasoning used in the agricultural access to the land and river in the event a barrier for keeping people out was built.

    Originally posted by ttaxidermy View Post
    Build it.. Land owners have lost land to every reason under the sun for years through imminent domain laws and most of those reasons were not nearly as important to this country as border security.. It MUST be done or we as a Nation will be done...

    And I don't think folks use the Rio Grande for recreation such as fishing and swimming like you might think.. That river is filthy with pollution.. FILTHY...
    Many years ago, the bold statement was true, but it is NO LONGER TRUE... for at least large stretches of the river. According to our TPWD wildlife biologist we used for our management program south of Del Rio, he told us that the water coming out of Amistad and for the first several miles below that dam and running through the city of Del Rio and Acuna was some of the purest water in the world.

    I have personally swam, duck hunted, fished and enjoyed all manner of river activities in that stretch of the river. ... best dang duck lease I ever had!! THOUSANDS of ducks in the river!! I caught MANY, MANY trophy Smallmouth Bass, Largemouth Bass, Striped Bass, and Flathead catfish out of that stretch of river.

    Originally posted by Landrover View Post
    Whoa, approximately 1,000 landowners representing 1.1 million acres of farming & ranch land have filed lawsuits. That is a lot of lawyering up by individuals. No idea how many lawsuits are by tree huggers, open border groups, etc, etc, etc. Gonna be awhile unpacking that mess..........and a lot of dollars!!!
    Just as Artos posted, the ranchers who "lawyered up" did so to protect their rights and to negotiate a decent deal for their property... such as the deal Mr. Moody and Moody Ranches, Inc. negotiated many years ago. I promise you they don't oppose the wall; they just want to make sure it is done right and fair.
    I know Mr. Moody lost thousands and thousands of dollars in property, goods and damages from illegal crossings. Heck, the movie set of Lonesome Dove was built on a small stretch of the river, and the Mesicans have stolen just about everything from the set to take back across the river for building materials! In 2008 or 09, he had several miles of brand new 5 string barbed wire fence stolen and taken across the river!! Illegals stole the whole fence, wire, posts, even the rolls of old fence that had been taken up to build the new fence... everything was just GONE!! His airplane was stolen from ranch headquarters and flown to Mexico City. He was fortunate enough to get it back, but it had been gutted to be used as a drug plane...

    Originally posted by Landrover View Post
    Not about them loosing so much, it is about them getting a fair future value on their land. But less we forget, we as taxpayers are paying for their land through eminent domain.........and also paying for the wall, fence, barrier, etc.
    True statement and spot on.

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      #32
      It will all be for nothing if we don't get rid of the socialist traitors in the government.

      Gary

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        #33
        Seriously. Asking all the question....

        Would you sacrifice the entire herd for a single lamb or lambs?



        Or should we protect 350,000,000 people at the exposure of losing 20,000 cattle and/or fishing rights?

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          #34
          I respect land rights. However, as a land owner you are responsible for your property.
          If they are refusing help to stop criminal activity affecting the rest of us landowners then take that 1000 person list and sue them for all the illegal activities the others have to deal with. You can’t have it both ways!

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            #35
            Originally posted by tigerscowboy View Post
            Seriously. Asking all the question....

            Would you sacrifice the entire herd for a single lamb or lambs?



            Or should we protect 350,000,000 people at the exposure of losing 20,000 cattle and/or fishing rights?
            Well hmm how good is the fishing...

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              #36
              Haven't had a chance to read any of the above comments...so this may have already been mentioned or be way off topic. If I was a landowner and I didn't want the wall on my property and all the land owners 30 or so miles to the left and right of me opted for the wall. Then my property will end up being the funnel point. And I would be screwed.

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                #37
                I hunt on the other side of the current wall in Brownsville every year. In speaking with the farmer, the wall disputes his operation far less than the cartels do.

                From the land perspective it will be interesting how the border wall, and the possible high speed rail will be argued. I want to say that both are looking to use the same condemnation company.

                In one instance prime land in the interior of the Texas's Golden Triangle will be taken, so a 200 MPH train can be run through the ROW. Arguably largely driving down the value of the remaining land. In the other instance, near worthless land next to an active war zone will be taken so that a wall can be erected. Arguably raising the value of the remaining land.

                I am just curious to see what kind of values will be paid for each.

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                  #38
                  I am the OP that started the thread. I enjoyed all the post and opinions without all the personal attacks on people that had a different opinion than you. Keep posting your idea's. Enjoy reading them.

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                    #39
                    It's very easy for people to say use the eminent domain just take the property but come 2020 just remember how many of those families are goin vote Democrat

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by stykshooter View Post
                      It's very easy for people to say use the eminent domain just take the property but come 2020 just remember how many of those families are goin vote Democrat
                      They were likely going to vote Dem anyway

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Playa View Post
                        They were likely going to vote Dem anyway
                        Probably unfortunately Texas is becoming more blue each year & returning to roots as a Dem state. Texas was blue for over a 100 years sad .....

                        Even worse the next president if 2020 or 2024 can halt all construction & spending of the wall

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by stykshooter View Post
                          Probably unfortunately Texas is becoming more blue each year & returning to roots as a Dem state. Texas was blue for over a 100 years sad .....

                          Even worse the next president if 2020 or 2024 can halt all construction & spending of the wall
                          You don’t think there might be a little correlation between open borders and Texas turning blue, do ya?

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Playa View Post
                            They were likely going to vote Dem anyway
                            I disagree. Maybe the small land holders but the ones that hold large valuable pieces of property are doing well financially. People who are doing well financially are usually republicans. It's more often the ones who aren't who vote Dem (remember the Dems are the ones who preach rob from the rich and give to the lazy).

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by stykshooter View Post
                              It's very easy for people to say use the eminent domain just take the property but come 2020 just remember how many of those families are goin vote Democrat
                              You are assuming the land owners don't want the wall.

                              I'll assume most land owners are sick and tired of dealing with the illegals and drug smugglers.

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                                #45
                                About 4pm on a Saturday, middle of our hunt, doves everywhere. Everyone is having a great time, then we spot some tan guys with backpacks. Then the white trucks and SUVs, tearing threw agriculture fields. Made for an interesting hunt.
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