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Old 08-07-2022, 04:14 AM   #1
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So my son went to the Carterís Country store in Spring Saturday to buy a new deer rifle. I gave him my credit card to make the purchase with (which he has done twice before in the past for other gun purchases there), but this time they told him he couldnít use my card since his name wasnít on the card. Said I had to be the one there in person to use it. I called the store gave them verbal permission even went as far to say Iíd text them over a copy of my DL, CHL and retired military ID. But they still said no. Said it was a new store policy since the Ulvade shootings. Iíve bought guns from them off and on for nearly 30 years but honestly donít know if Iíll buy from them anymore. Just very very aggravating!
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Old 08-07-2022, 04:38 AM   #2
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Personally, I dont want anyone but me using my credit card. I don't see a issue with that policy.
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Old 08-07-2022, 04:39 AM   #3
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Sounds like they just want to keep their name in the clear. This is in the grey area of a straw purchase. It's the world we live in.
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Old 08-07-2022, 05:12 AM   #4
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No one should be able to use a credit card to buy anything that’s not their cc. Especially guns! That’s not a new policy for anyone. They are supposed to check the name on every cc purchase.
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Old 08-07-2022, 05:16 AM   #5
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That policy sits okay with me. Especially when it comes to buying a firearm.
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Old 08-07-2022, 05:37 AM   #6
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Sounds normal. If you remember, even grocery stores use to ID you to make sure it was your card, back in the day. We'll at least me becuase I'm shady looking I guess.
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Old 08-07-2022, 05:54 AM   #7
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I’d say it’s a good move by them.
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Old 08-07-2022, 06:04 AM   #8
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Good policy IMO

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I agree with all comments...On my credit card back where it says signature I write CHECK I D PLEASE they seldom do
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Old 08-07-2022, 06:12 AM   #10
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Well I guess I’m in the minority here because it’s my son and I don’t see anything wrong with him using my credit or debit card if I’m ok with it.
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Old 08-07-2022, 06:14 AM   #11
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With the technology in place now, more times than not a person doesnt even have to hand over a card. Just stick the chip into the machine and away you go. So the act of checking the card holders ID is a thing of the past. Im a little surprised they would even need to handle the card, but if that is the policy they choose to have, then I support that.

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Old 08-07-2022, 06:19 AM   #12
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Stupid.

Just order him a card with his name on it

Three people have cards on my Amex that aren’t me.

I hope they all go buy me a gun today
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Old 08-07-2022, 06:44 AM   #13
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We were in a few weeks back purchasing a Glock for my wife. They asked if it was for me or her. All the usual questions. While she was filling out paperwork, I went to hand her cash to pay for it. The guy said I couldn’t do that if we wanted the gun. He said I could not give her money for purchasing a firearm. I explained she was my wife and I would give her whatever I wanted to and if they had a problem we would go somewhere else. I put the money in her pocket and asked if we should leave or finish with the paperwork. We ended up with the pistol.
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Old 08-07-2022, 06:50 AM   #14
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I would also appreciate that policy, especially in todays world.
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Old 08-07-2022, 06:50 AM   #15
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We were in a few weeks back purchasing a Glock for my wife. They asked if it was for me or her. All the usual questions. While she was filling out paperwork, I went to hand her cash to pay for it. The guy said I couldnít do that if we wanted the gun. He said I could not give her money for purchasing a firearm. I explained she was my wife and I would give her whatever I wanted to and if they had a problem we would go somewhere else. I put the money in her pocket and asked if we should leave or finish with the paperwork. We ended up with the pistol.
They're looking at is as a straw purchase more than likely. The form has a question that says...are you the actual purchaser of this firearm.

Sure it happens daily and I see both sides. But, you have to realize they have a business to run within the rules of the ATF.

I haven't been in a carter's in over 20 years and I'm good with that. Way better places to shop

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Old 08-07-2022, 06:59 AM   #16
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I get it from their point of view, ( or the card issuers ) since these days somehow they would be to blame legally if a gun they sell is used in a crime. But it only shows how stupid everything has gotten. It should be none of their business whose card it is. Or who handed him the cash to buy it. In the end it in reality it is no different than if you had handed him cash to buy it before he left the house. My young adult kids use my cards all the time to get gas in my vehicles, groceries etc.

But then again, I realize Im the minority here, because I dont believe in background checks, form 4473 etc either. People who believe in liberty and the founders view of the Constitution arent too popular around here.
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:01 AM   #17
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Well I guess Iím in the minority here because itís my son and I donít see anything wrong with him using my credit or debit card if Iím ok with it.
You gots to look at the BIG PICTURE, sir.
Take the son out of it and it makes great retail sense.
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:10 AM   #18
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Well I guess Iím in the minority here because itís my son and I donít see anything wrong with him using my credit or debit card if Iím ok with it.

I understand your point but you have to consider the need for gun stores to stay in strict compliance with ATF regulations.
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:24 AM   #19
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They're looking at is as a straw purchase more than likely. The form has a question that says...are you the actual purchaser of this firearm.

Sure it happens daily and I see both sides. But, you have to realize they have a business to run within the rules of the ATF.

I haven't been in a carter's in over 20 years and I'm good with that. Way better places to shop

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I understand the questioning on who is the purchaser of the firearm. Me handing my wife cash did not change anything. It was clear that it was for her. She was asking all the questions and holding the firearm. That was the whole reason I took her to get the pistol instead of buying it myself and giving it to her. I told the guy that the money was for a bet that we made. I bet her she would not purchase a pistol.
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:45 AM   #20
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Well I guess Iím in the minority here because itís my son and I donít see anything wrong with him using my credit or debit card if Iím ok with it.
Then go to the store and buy the firearm for him, in person. Bottom line, itís not your risk to sell a firearm to someone using a credit card that doesnít belong to them. Or, give your son cash if you canít be there. I donít have a problem with their policy at all and actually applaud it.
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:51 AM   #21
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Good policy, great store. Besides, you need to be with him as you may see something you want!!
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:52 AM   #22
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Well I guess I’m in the minority here because it’s my son and I don’t see anything wrong with him using my credit or debit card if I’m ok with it.
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Stupid.

Just order him a card with his name on it

Three people have cards on my Amex that aren’t me.

I hope they all go buy me a gun today


This ^^^ is what I was gonna suggest. Just make him an authorized user and get him his own card.


I really don’t have a problem with the policy and wouldn’t quit a store over it. You can easily take care of the issue.
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:54 AM   #23
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They weren't supposed to do it the first 2 times. Someone finally did there job.
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Old 08-07-2022, 08:08 AM   #24
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Good policy IMO.
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Old 08-07-2022, 08:10 AM   #25
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Well I guess Iím in the minority here because itís my son and I donít see anything wrong with him using my credit or debit card if Iím ok with it.

I get what youíre saying and I get how itís frustrating, but honestly you got lucky before. Nobody is supposed to be able to use a card thatís not thereís.

I donít agree with you considering to shop somewhere else because a gun store is stepping up their process to stop straw purchases, or a kid stealing daddyís credit card and buying a gun.

I personally agree with the policy


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Old 08-07-2022, 08:15 AM   #26
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Good policy. I imagine if they gave an inch then these folks hear all kinds of stories and excuses to use a random card.
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They weren't supposed to do it the first 2 times. Someone finally did there job.
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Old 08-07-2022, 08:22 AM   #28
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Good grief
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Old 08-07-2022, 08:30 AM   #29
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Me and my son went to academy together the other day. He bought a pistol and I got some ammo. Told him to put it on his card and I would pay him. When we were checking out I went to hand him the cash. The guy said please wait to give him that outside. He said it doesn't look good buying the gun. No problem on my part.
Do I think it's stupid, yes, but it is the way it is nowadays. As far as Carter's, I quit shopping there years ago. Don't care for the way the people working there treat customers, at least at the Katy store.

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Old 08-07-2022, 08:56 AM   #30
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In the past my wife has done it were I’m making the purchase and just ask for her card at other places and they tell me that’s not allowed, it has to come from the purchaser the payment method especially a credit/ debit card with their name imo that’s an excellent policy. Can’t send your son to go buy you beer with your card and he is underage and say it’s for you straw purchase
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Old 08-07-2022, 09:00 AM   #31
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They are doing it the way they should have been doing it all along. Over 20 years ago I tried to buy my son a rifle at Oshman's for college graduation and they wouldn't let me pay for it and him do the paperwork and pick it up.
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Old 08-07-2022, 09:20 AM   #32
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Better hope he's not red flagged.
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Old 08-07-2022, 09:34 AM   #33
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I can’t say I blame them.
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Great policy.
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Old 08-07-2022, 09:43 AM   #35
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Well I guess I’m in the minority here because it’s my son and I don’t see anything wrong with him using my credit or debit card if I’m ok with it.
There is nothing wrong with it but if you were in store owner would you believe somebody that says, sure I was given permission. Call this number and the guy on the other end will verify that he is my father

I ain’t falling for the banana in the tailpipe….
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Old 08-07-2022, 09:45 AM   #36
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The carters were also drug through the mud several years ago by the ATF for straw purchases, of coarse it was alll B/S buy not after a very hefty legal bill.
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I get what youíre saying and I get how itís frustrating, but honestly you got lucky before. Nobody is supposed to be able to use a card thatís not thereís.
Why not?
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So my son went to the Carterís Country store in Spring Saturday to buy a new deer rifle. I gave him my credit card to make the purchase with (which he has done twice before in the past for other gun purchases there), but this time they told him he couldnít use my card since his name wasnít on the card. Said I had to be the one there in person to use it. I called the store gave them verbal permission even went as far to say Iíd text them over a copy of my DL, CHL and retired military ID. But they still said no. Said it was a new store policy since the Ulvade shootings. Iíve bought guns from them off and on for nearly 30 years but honestly donít know if Iíll buy from them anymore. Just very very aggravating!
Canít blame them in this screwed up world of kids shootings and stupid lawsuits
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Old 08-07-2022, 09:53 AM   #39
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Excellent policy. Youd be pretty upset that they ran your card if someone had stolen it from you. Surprised its a new policy.


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Thereís several reasons mentioned in this thread.
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Old 08-07-2022, 10:50 AM   #41
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I see no problem here
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Old 08-07-2022, 10:55 AM   #42
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I understand the questioning on who is the purchaser of the firearm. Me handing my wife cash did not change anything. It was clear that it was for her. She was asking all the questions and holding the firearm. That was the whole reason I took her to get the pistol instead of buying it myself and giving it to her. I told the guy that the money was for a bet that we made. I bet her she would not purchase a pistol.

That person doesnít know you from anyone. I would have asked you to,leave when you got an attitude. A $500 gun sale isnít worth the possibility of a straw purchase happening in their store.


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Old 08-07-2022, 10:55 AM   #43
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There is absolutely No stupidity in it at all! It’s the way it should be!
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:00 AM   #44
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I get it from their point of view, ( or the card issuers ) since these days somehow they would be to blame legally if a gun they sell is used in a crime. But it only shows how stupid everything has gotten. It should be none of their business whose card it is. Or who handed him the cash to buy it. In the end it in reality it is no different than if you had handed him cash to buy it before he left the house. My young adult kids use my cards all the time to get gas in my vehicles, groceries etc.

But then again, I realize Im the minority here, because I dont believe in background checks, form 4473 etc either. People who believe in liberty and the founders view of the Constitution arent too popular around here.

It would become their business if (1) the cardholder disputed the charge and the merchant had to eat it and (2) if someone did make a straw purchase using someone elseís card.


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Old 08-07-2022, 11:17 AM   #45
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Great policy! Would you change your view if your card was stolen and had several charges on it? Would you be starting another thread ranting, ‘Why don’t stores ID card purchases?’
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There’s several reasons mentioned in this thread.
I wasn’t talking about store policy.
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:32 AM   #47
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This reminds me, I need a new gun.
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:42 AM   #48
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I would put money on it that every person here that is saying it’s a great policy and what not have handed their spouse or kids their card to go buy something before.
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:47 AM   #49
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I would put money on it that every person here that is saying itís a great policy and what not have handed their spouse or kids their card to go buy something before.
I have my cards and my wife has hers. No need to give my card to anyone else.
That is besides the point. The reason it is a good policy is because if someone uses someone elseís credit card, it could be seen as a straw purchase by the ATF. Keeps them out of trouble.
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:49 AM   #50
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I would put money on it that every person here that is saying itís a great policy and what not have handed their spouse or kids their card to go buy something before.

I agree with the policy but you are absolutely correct sir.
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