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Old 07-22-2022, 03:03 PM   #1
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Default Wind farms in the gulf?

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What are your thoughts on this? Theyíre ugly as heck anywhere but at least maybe theyíll decrease the encroachment on all of our properties in Texas? I donít like them anywhere and I would hate to see a bunch of windmills out while fishing, but Iíd rather them be out there than in my back yard I think. Not sure.

How will they hold up in a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane? Will provide tons of fishing structure though.
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Old 07-22-2022, 03:08 PM   #2
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I don’t know all the ramifications, but we need the power, no denying that. If we have to have wind farms, that’s probably as good as any. I’m not a saltwater guy, if I were I might feel differently.
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Old 07-22-2022, 03:12 PM   #3
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Nope! Absolutely not!
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Old 07-22-2022, 03:16 PM   #4
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Old 07-22-2022, 03:22 PM   #5
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Can you imagine all the lures and bobbers trapped in them
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Old 07-22-2022, 03:29 PM   #6
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The gulf is a MUCH better place to put them than where they have been. Geographically, they provide more consistent wind, and blow in peak times rather than off-peak like current facilities. If we can have well rigs all over the place, I donít see why we canít have windmills.

Though, I donít think wind and solar is the solution long term regardless. Nuclear takes that prize.


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Old 07-22-2022, 03:37 PM   #7
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Can you imagine all the lures and bobbers trapped in them
Looks like they are going to be 24 miles off the coast. I don't think them guys are using bobbers.
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Old 07-22-2022, 03:48 PM   #8
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First hurricane will wipe them out.
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Old 07-22-2022, 03:50 PM   #9
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First hurricane will wipe them out.
My first thought, but then I realized that they will just over engineer them to the tune of about 5x times what they cost now, and me and you will pay for it........
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Old 07-22-2022, 03:58 PM   #10
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Wait until the first couple fail and there are major oil spills. I can only imagine trying to find cranes not only to install them put to work on them as well.
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Old 07-22-2022, 03:59 PM   #11
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Lots and lots of structure for fish. I’d rather them be out there than on land.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:01 PM   #12
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What happens when the first Cat 4+ will be interesting and directly effect all insurance rates most likely.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:04 PM   #13
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There's probably a hundred of them on the Kennedy at the land cut that have survived more than one hurricane.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:12 PM   #14
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There's probably a hundred of them on the Kennedy at the land cut that have survived more than one hurricane.
How many hurricanes have hit the Kennedy shoreline since they put those turbines up? I canít remember a hurricane making landfall there since those turbines up in the early 2010ís?
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:14 PM   #15
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They will survive smaller hurricanes.
Major oil spill? If electric pitch they have 0 hydraulic fluid. If hydraulic pitch it will hold about 60 gallons of oil. The gearbox does hold a bit but those never seem to leak.
Those are high paying jobs, I would definitely consider leaving my power plant job to go back into wind. Those offshore jobs are the most sought after.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:14 PM   #16
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How many hurricanes have hit the Kennedy shoreline since they put those turbines up? I canít remember a hurricane making landfall there since those turbines up in the early 2010ís?
There was one 2 years ago. Wiped out all but 1 or two cabins on the east side of the cut and a bunch of floaters on both sides.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:17 PM   #17
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:20 PM   #18
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I could imagine it all washing up on the beach during a hurricane. If it took out your beach house who could you sue? I would think the word negligent should come to mind. Kind of like burning trash during these red flag warnings. You know what can happen.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:29 PM   #19
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They will survive smaller hurricanes.
Major oil spill? If electric pitch they have 0 hydraulic fluid. If hydraulic pitch it will hold about 60 gallons of oil. The gearbox does hold a bit but those never seem to leak.
Those are high paying jobs, I would definitely consider leaving my power plant job to go back into wind. Those offshore jobs are the most sought after.
My buddy @ ConocoPhillips is very excited about this !
He thinks the wind farms in west Texas where he is at are basically a dud with poor results.
800+ foot tall windmills with 300 foot blades seems unreal but doable

Texas definitely needs more electricity for industrial use , and with everything right now being 50-60 years old supplying the grid 24/7 / 365 @95% , any suggestions seem like a good idea

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Old 07-22-2022, 04:29 PM   #20
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My first thought, but then I realized that they will just over engineer them to the tune of about 5x times what they cost now, and me and you will pay for it........
And then they'll still get wiped out.

It's like a triple scam. Everyone knows it's a scam.

What could go wrong? I mean they can't build them on dry ground and make them profitable or heck even close to break even. Lets try to engineer and build them in freaking salt water where hurricanes come through..... Yea! That will work
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:31 PM   #21
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One of my first disappointments coming into Rockport the day after Harvey was seeing not a single wind turbine down outside of town.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:34 PM   #22
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rather out there and not on TX ranches. but i rarely visit the coast
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:35 PM   #23
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We need more nuclear power plants.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:44 PM   #24
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I bet Pelosiís husband has stock in the company that will manage them. The first 4/5 hurricane we get will fold the blades and they will have to do much more PM on them from the saltwater/air environment.


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Old 07-22-2022, 04:54 PM   #25
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Im all for it if taxpayers dont foot the bill for any of it. Lots of structure for fishing and spearfishing.

Would be nice if they were out deeper though.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:55 PM   #26
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Lots and lots of structure for fish. Iíd rather them be out there than on land.
This. Hate looking at them over the land.
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Old 07-22-2022, 04:58 PM   #27
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There was one 2 years ago. Wiped out all but 1 or two cabins on the east side of the cut and a bunch of floaters on both sides.
Friend of mine had a cabin on a spoil in Roloffís Cut that got flattened. Itís directly across from all those wind turbines on the Kenedy
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Old 07-22-2022, 05:00 PM   #28
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Setting aside durability and efficiency, note that it is only the Gulf being proposed. Joe knows this wouldn't fly on the West or East Coast. If his admin was truly committed to this idea, these turbines would line all coasts. But, while the left might support "Green Energy", they don't want them messing up the view of their coastal waters. So, it's political grandstanding.
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Old 07-22-2022, 05:01 PM   #29
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They’ll look a lot better out there from my house.
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Old 07-22-2022, 05:01 PM   #30
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I am tired of paying for them. And my Texas skyline being dotted with lights and white roads thru native pasture.

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Old 07-22-2022, 05:03 PM   #31
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I donít know all the ramifications, but we need the power, no denying that. If we have to have wind farms, thatís probably as good as any. Iím not a saltwater guy, if I were I might feel differently.
Yes, we need the power.
What we don't need. Is those ugly, unproductive, underproducing
navigation hazard, eyesores in our beautiful gulf..
And, we don't "have to have" wind farms.. Nuke, NG, clean coal, works better.
You don't have to be a saltwater guy, to not want that crap.

Put'em off the coast of Martha's Vinyard. And listen to the
pigs screaming......!!!!
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Setting aside durability and efficiency, note that it is only the Gulf being proposed. Joe knows this wouldn't fly on the West or East Coast. If his admin was truly committed to this idea, these turbines would line all coasts. But, while the left might support "Green Energy", they don't want them messing up the view of their coastal waters. So, it's political grandstanding.
Virginia and RI , Maryland have offshore wind farms, that’s on the east coast?
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Old 07-22-2022, 05:08 PM   #33
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Im all for it if taxpayers dont foot the bill for any of it. Lots of structure for fishing and spearfishing.

Would be nice if they were out deeper though.
LOL I needed a good laugh.
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Old 07-22-2022, 05:12 PM   #34
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Much better than land.
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Setting aside durability and efficiency, note that it is only the Gulf being proposed. Joe knows this wouldn't fly on the West or East Coast. If his admin was truly committed to this idea, these turbines would line all coasts. But, while the left might support "Green Energy", they don't want them messing up the view of their coastal waters. So, it's political grandstanding.
Was on the Mass. coast last summer and they had turbines that were visable from shore. Not as many as some of the wind farms here, but they were there nevertheless. They have plenty room for more in my opinion.
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Old 07-22-2022, 05:40 PM   #36
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let's try more natural gas. We have it. It is 100% effective and inexpensive. It requires just drilling and that is jobs. Natural gas is clean....In fact, I had my stove on all last weekend cooking and not once did anyone sneeze or mention that the air quality seemed poor in the house. Clean gas = good jobs. Windmills are eye pollution and are VERY low output for a whole bunch of them and they will break. Put gas in pipe to power station and have energy. Thats it.
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Something to fish around
My thoughts exactly...We griped about Oil wells/rigs now its great fishing ..HABITAT is the name of the Game....Another place to weather out and wait for help if the inevitable happens....
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Or give us extra power? Lol
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This was on the table a decade ago or longer, nothing new.

No one would insure them. Maybe things have changed, but I wouldn’t think the risk evaluation would have changed any.

Government subsidies and carbon capture credits are the only things that make these even a discussion (land based or offshore). They would never be a thought if they had to stand on their own funding.
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Old 07-22-2022, 05:47 PM   #41
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Only if their purpose to to cool the nuclear plant on the coast...
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Much better out there than the eye soars on land. Can you imagine the structure to fish out there after the first cat 4 comes through.
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Setting aside durability and efficiency, note that it is only the Gulf being proposed. Joe knows this wouldn't fly on the West or East Coast. If his admin was truly committed to this idea, these turbines would line all coasts. But, while the left might support "Green Energy", they don't want them messing up the view of their coastal waters. So, it's political grandstanding.
Youíd be wrong. Wind farms going up in Long Island Sound soon and already have others being planned for California.
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let's try more natural gas. We have it. It is 100% effective and inexpensive. It requires just drilling and that is jobs. Natural gas is clean....In fact, I had my stove on all last weekend cooking and not once did anyone sneeze or mention that the air quality seemed poor in the house. Clean gas = good jobs. Windmills are eye pollution and are VERY low output for a whole bunch of them and they will break. Put gas in pipe to power station and have energy. Thats it.
This right here. I work at a lignite plant. Gas is way more cleaner. New plants can be built fairly quickly. Itís reliable energy.
The carbon footprint to build windmills will never produce enough energy to even cover the cost.
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I thought they had one off Galveston Island for years?
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Offshore wind is 3x the cost of onshore to build. Much harder to be profitable unless they are in really strong wind areas.
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Offshore wind is 3x the cost of onshore to build. Much harder to be profitable unless they are in really strong wind areas.
Wind energy is profitable?
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Wind energy is profitable?
With subsidies and market advantages plus shifting costs to everyone else, yes, wind can be profitable. Unfortunately.
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With subsidies and market advantages plus shifting costs to everyone else, yes, wind can be profitable. Unfortunately.
LOL

Give anyone enough money and they can turn a profit.
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Give politicians enough bribe money and anyone can turn a profit.
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