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Old 08-06-2022, 09:58 PM   #1
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Outside of the head and neck, isnít there a shoulder shot with a good percentage of crumpling them in their tracks?
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Old 08-06-2022, 10:00 PM   #2
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Old 08-06-2022, 10:03 PM   #3
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Old 08-06-2022, 10:04 PM   #4
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Why mess up a shoulder ?
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Old 08-06-2022, 10:08 PM   #5
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Why mess up a shoulder ?

He didnít ask that.

Mid/high shoulder is a show stopper. Thatís what I use for kids, has the best margin for error. If I was shooting at a monster at any range, thatís what I do.

Shootin does, I tuck it in right behind.


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Old 08-06-2022, 10:14 PM   #6
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Ive only personally seen one deer drop that was shot right behind the shoulder where the white meets the tan hair. Ive never experimented and have always shot deer in the neck.
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Yep. That mid to high shoulder. Especially on evening hunts. Ha
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Old 08-06-2022, 10:16 PM   #8
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2/3s up the body in line with the front leg.
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Old 08-06-2022, 10:18 PM   #9
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High shoulder is true but I don't like it unless you're a tac driver. There's a void with not much anything if you go to far one direction.
Saw a guy hit an axis doe with a 7mag, she dropped from the shock, got up and made off in a dazed fashion about a 40 seconds later. But yes it was a bad shot.
I like the quarter shot, hit top of heart and lungs, hopefully nab the backside shoulder on the way out.
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Old 08-06-2022, 11:40 PM   #10
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High shoulder. Been working for me for 40 years


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Old 08-06-2022, 11:45 PM   #11
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2/3s up the body in line with the front leg.
Bingo. Straight up the leg. 2/3rds up. Lights out
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Old 08-06-2022, 11:47 PM   #12
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High shoulder is true but I don't like it unless you're a tac driver. There's a void with not much anything if you go to far one direction.
Saw a guy hit an axis doe with a 7mag, she dropped from the shock, got up and made off in a dazed fashion about a 40 seconds later. But yes it was a bad shot.
I like the quarter shot, hit top of heart and lungs, hopefully nab the backside shoulder on the way out.
Axis being the exception lol. Iíve lost a big buck and my dad lost a management buck this way. I know I pulled my shot a couple inches back. Shoulda still killed him but they are crazy tough. Dads Iím still not sure what happened. He folded. Kicked. Watched the life drain out of him. Got over there and no deer. Looked for hours.
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Old 08-06-2022, 11:49 PM   #13
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If your are a good enough shot, hit them in the front of the shoulder at the base of the neck. Hits the brachial plexus. I am not an expert marksman in most instances, so I chose to shoot a bigger gun than needed, I shoulder shoot them and haven’t had a problem. Most of the bucks I shoot, I want to shoulder mount, so I shoot them behind the shoulder
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Old 08-07-2022, 08:28 AM   #14
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Old 08-07-2022, 08:32 AM   #15
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There you go and there is enough room for error.
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Old 08-07-2022, 10:47 AM   #16
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You gotta be careful with the "high shoulder" shots. A little too high and you'll spinal shock them, then get to watch them jump up and run off. I prefer just about where the neck and shoulder meet. DRT. Look at that pic Antlercollector posted. I'd go just a touch lower than those crosshairs.

Now, when I'm guiding someone (kids or adults) I tell them to shoot right in the center of the shoulder. Sometimes they drop, sometimes they don't. But if you take out the front wheels they won't go far.
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Old 08-07-2022, 10:57 AM   #17
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Bullet selection every bit if not more important than placement, those that have bad luck with a shoulder shot used a poor bullet choice imo.

This website is run by a professional hunter and is great for both shot placement and bullet selection by caliber.

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Kno...e+Killing.html
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:03 AM   #18
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Bullet selection every bit if not more important than placement


I agree the right bullet for the job is very important. It’s not more important than placement though.
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:14 AM   #19
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Why mess up a shoulder ?
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My deer shoulder meat always seems to go to burger or chili chunks anyhow. Its just an effective preprocessing shot.

Last season my boy shoulder shot three deer with 75 gn .223 and all three dropped like a ton of bricks. Only one required a follow up.
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:24 AM   #20
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I’m too old to go tracking deer and dragging them out of the woods. I hit the off switch !
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:42 AM   #21
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Iím too old to go tracking deer and dragging them out of the woods. I hit the off switch !
I live in Dons camp. With a rifle this is always a DRT shot. But donít be surprised if it requires a walk up dispatch shot. After 5 minutes I will approach and finish if they havenít expired.
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Old 08-07-2022, 12:14 PM   #22
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High shoulder is true but I don't like it unless you're a tac driver. There's a void with not much anything if you go to far one direction.
Saw a guy hit an axis doe with a 7mag, she dropped from the shock, got up and made off in a dazed fashion about a 40 seconds later. But yes it was a bad shot.
I like the quarter shot, hit top of heart and lungs, hopefully nab the backside shoulder on the way out.
If you canít put a bullet in the high shoulder from 200 yards, you probably shouldnít be hunting deer anywayÖ.
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Old 08-07-2022, 12:15 PM   #23
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To answer the question, that high shoulder is lights out. Has to
Do with the central nervous system being between the scapula (shoulder blades)

It’s two fold, hit that CNS and blows the running gear out. For a big deer, or deer in nasty brush. It’s the way to go. And with a properly matched bullet to rifle for your normal ranges it tears up surprisingly little meat. But
Something super high speed or frangible is asking for a grenade and would likely be better off shooting behind the shoulder.

As for margins of Error. Every shot placement has that. Head neck you could miss or blow off a jaw, behind the shoulder if you go too far back, gut shot. They all have their pros or cons, it Really boils down to the shooter.
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Old 08-07-2022, 12:44 PM   #24
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Iím too old to go tracking deer and dragging them out of the woods. I hit the off switch !

Right between the eyes, or in the ear?


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Old 08-07-2022, 02:25 PM   #25
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Shoulder neck intersection !
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Old 08-07-2022, 03:05 PM   #26
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If you canít put a bullet in the high shoulder from 200 yards, you probably shouldnít be hunting deer anywayÖ.

Exactly, itís literally, the biggest part of the deer.

Remington core lokts, green and yellow boxÖ.donít overthink this.


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Old 08-07-2022, 04:24 PM   #27
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Old 08-07-2022, 04:33 PM   #28
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I'm for right behind the ear Unless I'm going to mount it Then I will take a lower neck shot
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Old 08-07-2022, 04:35 PM   #29
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Or if they're looking right at you Shoot for the top of the white patch between their legs
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Old 08-07-2022, 05:44 PM   #30
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Old 08-07-2022, 06:01 PM   #31
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High shoulder would work for dropping where they stood, but any well placed shot will crumple them in their tracks eventually lol. Spinal shots work as well but room for error is less.


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Old 08-08-2022, 09:50 AM   #32
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2/3s up the body in line with the front leg.
This is the correct answer.
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Old 08-08-2022, 12:13 PM   #33
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Exactly, itís literally, the biggest part of the deer.

Remington core lokts, green and yellow boxÖ.donít overthink this.


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this,it's all i have used in my 3006,and it's taken over 100 deer DRT
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Old 08-08-2022, 02:20 PM   #34
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This is a very interesting subject in that there are so many different answers, I have always been told to shoot just behind the shoulder by east Texas hunters. I have heard meat/survival hunters in Alaska say the only place you should shoot animals is in the head. First time I have heard of the high shoulder shot....fascinating subject tho.

Also I have seen pictures from a co worker, lifelong east Texas national forest hunter, shot two doe with the same .243, same spot in the shoulder, both kill shots, one zipped right thru and one exploded on the exit you could stick you fist inside. Same bullet but not sure which one.

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Old 08-08-2022, 03:55 PM   #35
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This works exceptionally well for coyotes as well.

This is my preferred spot to shoot everything in North America if I can. I donít really care about 5lbs of hamburger meat if I am not tracking it.


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Old 08-08-2022, 07:00 PM   #36
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2/3s up the body in line with the front leg.
Yep! I do the same with a bow on a broadside critter!
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Old 08-08-2022, 07:31 PM   #37
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High shoulder is the best broadside drop on the spot shot. We call it the Bone Crusher. Unfortunately you don’t always get a perfect broadside shot. Any angle and you need to make adjustments possibly to another location. Big deer don’t always pose for you.
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Old 08-08-2022, 09:54 PM   #38
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Dead center middle of the body horizontally and in line with the front leg gets my vote. I don't think that high shoulder shot has as much room for error. I've seen a lot of different animals get up after just having their spine shocked. I'd rather them run just a bit with a broken down front end and vitals hit, than watch them drop only to get up and run off. Now for a follow up shot, high shoulder or base of neck is great.
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Dead center middle of the body horizontally and in line with the front leg gets my vote. I don't think that high shoulder shot has as much room for error. I've seen a lot of different animals get up after just having their spine shocked. I'd rather them run just a bit with a broken down front end and vitals hit, than watch them drop only to get up and run off. Now for a follow up shot, high shoulder or base of neck is great.
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Outside of the head and neck, isnít there a shoulder shot with a good percentage of crumpling them in their tracks?
Putting a 165 gr. SST bullet here works very well for me. Dropped many bucks right where they stood with this combo of placement and bullet.
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Breaks the spine and instantly butt hits the ground. DRT
Also takes out major arteries too if using a good bullet.
Them old green and yellow box Remingtons kilt more deer quicker than any other ammo PERIOD!
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Putting a 165 gr. SST bullet here works very well for me. Dropped many bucks right where they stood with this combo of placement and bullet.
That's my shot, too, and where I advise my kids to shoot.
Like Walker alluded to, there's more room for error.
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This is pretty close to where i go for except a little more into the shoulder. Man told me a long time ago if you take out the running gear they go down right then. Not enough meat on the shoulder for me to sweat losing a little.
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Axis being the exception lol. Iíve lost a big buck and my dad lost a management buck this way. I know I pulled my shot a couple inches back. Shoulda still killed him but they are crazy tough. Dads Iím still not sure what happened. He folded. Kicked. Watched the life drain out of him. Got over there and no deer. Looked for hours.
Iíve had the same dang thing happen with a big one in velvet. Two guys were watching through binos and we all had no doubt he was dead within 20 yards. Never found him. He was a stud free range axis, still makes me sick to think about it.
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