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    #31
    Originally posted by Landrover View Post
    The FARM BILL has been a political hot potato for 40 years at this point. I remember the discussions as an undergraduate in the early 80's with Collegiate FFA Advisors. I will always side with farmers but lets not confuse the term farmers. YES, most farms & farmers that "move the market" are massive operations...….just like any other business. We tend to look at farmers and "think" mom & pop as Americans, that view is from post WWII. Those numbers have dwindled and continue to. I also clearly understand that we feed the world and need to protect that designation. A few countries have strong niches...(soybeans in Brazil)……….when they can get the crop out of the field on time!!! Honestly, $12 Billion is a lot of "additional" dollars. The farm bill has a lot of waste and we all know it sadly. This "additional" $12B is directly associated to the huge losses incurred due to the trade war. A global trade war being 'right or wrong' as a political strategy has always been COSTLY!!! This is self-imposed based on the decision to go forward with a global trade war after bipartisan voices strongly advising against it...….based on HISTORICAL data & outcomes!!! China is willing to starve their folks to win (or just ride out) this trade war...……...we are not willing to deaux the same. This sorta gives them an unfair advantage as our primary motivation is MONEY. Their thought process is multi-generational or better yet millennia in scope and could care less about the individual...….it is about the whole!
    True Dat!

    Family farms are a thing of the past, remember the 80's ? Small farms could not make it and sold for cheap or the kids bust up the family farm and live high on the hog for a few years and end up with nothing. Anyway most produce comes from South America nowadays, and as long as HEB or Krogers got it nothing else matters. Life goes on.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Shane View Post
      Most industries can just increase the price of the goods they sell when their costs increase (whether the cause is government action or something else). So the consumer ends up paying most of the added cost of the steel tariffs in your industry's case. The industry will be fine, but consumers will pay the price.

      Farmers, on the other hand, don't get to set the sales price for the products they produce. Steel tariffs will make tractors and implements cost more, eating into farmers' thin profit margins. Then when tariffs and trade wars cause commodity prices to fall, that hits them even harder.

      Trade wars are double-edged swords. It's just a big game of chicken, trying to see which nation's government is willing to harm its own citizens in order to punish another country the longest.
      If we all come together, band together to help support local, the extra costs will eventually balance out according to how the economy is supposed to work.

      Short term it absolutely does hurt. Long term, the benefits are easy to see.

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        #33
        It's a crummy system. Say we need a favor from Thailand. We tell them we'll buy 10 billion in rice this year so they will do something we need done.

        Now we've just hurt our rice farmers along the Mississippi delta because the government is going to have to flood the market with cheap Thailand rice. The farmers can't compete with the government who had the buy the rice to get their "favor" done and now are looking to unload 10bil in rice to the highest bidder. So, they pay the rice farmer to cut back on rice production because they know he cant grow the rice for what our government is gonna sell the Thailand rice for.

        I am not for government subsidies. However, when the government hurts the american worker in the name of foreign policy then I am a little more sympathetic to things like farm bills.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Traildust View Post
          How much do we spend on welfare and immigration yearly?

          How much did Obama Care cost the working man?

          Farmers have been getting help for how many years now. Nothing new.

          How much did Barry give Iran?? In the middle of the night..

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            #35
            Originally posted by BuckRage View Post
            Go America! But not if it comes at a cost....
            LOL.... RIGHT..!!!!

            I'm sure glad our forefathers did not understand math or risks factors....

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              #36
              Originally posted by ttaxidermy View Post
              How much did Barry give Iran?? In the middle of the night..
              Lol Reply of the day!

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                #37
                Originally posted by Radar View Post
                Lol Reply of the day!
                Yea.. That would covered this farmer fund for 40 years.....
                Now that's a dam dirty shame.. Where is the outrage??????

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by ttaxidermy View Post
                  How much did Barry give Iran?? In the middle of the night..
                  He didn't give them much of anything - just released money that was already theirs. It was just being held and doing nothing.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by ttaxidermy View Post
                    Yea.. That would covered this farmer fund for 40 years.....
                    Now that's a dam dirty shame.. Where is the outrage??????
                    Somebody will come along and give you the right answer.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by jer_james View Post
                      He didn't give them much of anything - just released money that was already theirs. It was just being held and doing nothing.
                      Who said that?? Barry and Hillary?? What other possible way could they spin it?? I guess that's why the transaction was so publicized and transparent.. PPPFFTTT.
                      OH WAIT!!!!!

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by jer_james View Post
                        He didn't give them much of anything - just released money that was already theirs. It was just being held and doing nothing.
                        Didn't that belong to Irans previous government and not the one thats been chanting death to america and that has destroyed the country? Asking not telling.
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Radar View Post
                          True Dat!

                          Family farms are a thing of the past, remember the 80's ? Small farms could not make it and sold for cheap or the kids bust up the family farm and live high on the hog for a few years and end up with nothing. Anyway most produce comes from South America nowadays, and as long as HEB or Krogers got it nothing else matters. Life goes on.
                          This isn’t true of my area. There may be some farms owned by corporations, but it’s still just Joe Farmer growing cotton like his daddy and grand daddy did. Except joe went to college and got a Agra-biz degree and figured out he could protect his personal wealth and gain tax advantages by incorporating.

                          But most are still small family owned farms

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Man View Post
                            Didn't that belong to Irans previous government and not the one thats been chanting death to america and that has destroyed the country? Asking not telling.
                            I believe that was why the money was held - Allies in 79 and not Allies after that.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by jer_james View Post
                              He didn't give them much of anything - just released money that was already theirs. It was just being held and doing nothing.
                              And they didnt give us troops, just released ours that were being held and doing nothing

                              I dont see how not allowing our farmers to export crops is a, bailout. But giving everyone "free" healthcare isnt a bail out, it is the Affordable Care out, that is actually a tax.
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by jer_james View Post
                                He didn't give them much of anything - just released money that was already theirs. It was just being held and doing nothing.
                                I bet it's doing something now!

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