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Old 04-13-2021, 09:04 AM   #1
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Default Selfbows and Composite Bows

Who are the top bowyers for these bow categories? Appreciated.
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Old 04-13-2021, 09:29 AM   #2
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Arvin Weaver and Randy Madden.

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Old 04-13-2021, 11:33 AM   #3
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Thx DRT..
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Randy makes selfbows and composite bows???? I’ve never seen a Primal Tech of either of those!

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Old 04-13-2021, 09:39 PM   #5
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Randy makes selfbows and composite bows???? I’ve never seen a Primal Tech of either of those!

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Guess I'm an ignorant sumbitch. I thought composite bows were laminate bows.

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Old 04-13-2021, 10:54 PM   #6
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Default Selfbows and Composite Bows

Composite bows are laminated, but are all wood. No fiberglass.

The difference between a selfbow and a composite bow:

A selfbow is made from a single piece of wood. The only exception is that some have a piece glued on for the handle.

A composite bow is made of wood laminates glued together throughout the length of the bow, but with no fiberglass laminations.

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Old 04-13-2021, 11:06 PM   #7
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Hey Bisch - the materials distinction between self and composite bows is helpful. Can a composite bow have natural working materials other than wood - such as horn or bamboo backing, sinew wraps, etc.. (natural materials, not synthetics like fiberglass, phenolic, etc..) - appreciated.
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Thanx Bisch. Still teaching me.

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Composite bows are laminated, but are all wood. No fiberglass.

The difference between a selfbow and a composite bow:

A selfbow is made from a single piece of wood. The only exception is that some have a piece glued on for the handle.

A composite bow is made of wood laminates glued together throughout the length of the bow, but with no fiberglass laminations.

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So... the green Bear bows and my green Sarrels recurve with that green plasticky fiberglass material on the back and/or belly ...are not considered composite bows? How are they classified?
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Hey Bisch - the materials distinction between self and composite bows is helpful. Can a composite bow have natural working materials other than wood - such as horn or bamboo backing, sinew wraps, etc.. (natural materials, not synthetics like fiberglass, phenolic, etc..) - appreciated.


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So... the green Bear bows and my green Sarrels recurve with that green plasticky fiberglass material on the back and/or belly ...are not considered composite bows? How are they classified?


That green plasticky material is fiberglass. They would be classified as a longbow or a recurve.

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Okay. So take away the green fiberglass and those bows are back to “composite longbow” or “composite recurve”. Add the fiberglass back and “composite” goes away. Odd. Seems counterintuitive and counter interweb.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_material
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Old 04-14-2021, 12:33 PM   #13
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https://tradbow.com/glossary-of-archery-terms/

Tradbow archery definitions say “composite bows” include fiberglass.
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Old 04-14-2021, 12:57 PM   #14
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I didn’t even open the link. TBoT rules define a composite bow as a laminated bow made of all natural materials; i.e. no fiberglass. Anywhere you go to shoot in Tx, that’s what a composite bow is.

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Old 04-16-2021, 09:49 PM   #15
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Not certain if the best but I really like Marc St. Louis recurves, but he also makes flat bows & other styles.

Weylin with Swiftwood Bows makes some really nice bows as well....no idea about durability but dang nice to look at.

Some excellent bowyers are members of the Primitive Archer bow forum and you can see some of their work there....with a little research you can usually find contact info for those that sell bows.

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Old 04-16-2021, 10:47 PM   #16
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I started out making selfbows. I made several that are still functioning. I still have the first one I ever made. I wasn’t very good at it and eventually went over to the dark side. It takes a true craftsman with a lot of patience to be successful at those style of bows.
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Old 04-17-2021, 07:31 AM   #17
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hey Randy - something tells me that if you decided to,...you could build some of the top composite bows in the nation (I have two of those ‘somethings’ zipped up in Safari Tuff takedown cases right now...both have buckeye burl center flares!).. Put me on the the short list if you ever decide to.
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His modesty is nice. His craftsmanship is outstanding.

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Old 04-24-2021, 01:46 PM   #19
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Bisch is correct. Yes composite bows can have horn , sinew, bamboo etc. all natural materials. Selfbow limbs are one piece of wood no laminate period. Don’t get fair rules confused. Arvin
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Well, if I stay awake long enough I learn something everyday. Turns out I'm a Boyer!

I recall as kid I whittled a tree limb down to smooth and used some white shoe laces from an old pair of high tops for a string. Selfbow!!!

I was a man ahead of his time. Who knew.
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Old 05-08-2021, 06:07 AM   #21
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My Selfbow (purchased) is bamboo backed so it would fall into the composite class.
Will it be legal to shoot in the Selfbow Shoot out at Chester?
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Is it really a self bow if you didn't build it yourself?

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Likely not lol
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My Selfbow (purchased) is bamboo backed so it would fall into the composite class.
Will it be legal to shoot in the Selfbow Shoot out at Chester?


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Well now that's confusing to me. How is it a selfbow?
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Well now that's confusing to me. How is it a selfbow?


Technically, they are not selfbows, but they are primitive bows. They should have named the class “Primitive”. Anyway, I clarified with the event organizer. They are allowing all primitive bows (selfbows and composite) to be shot in the selfbow class this year. If there is enough participation, they will separate them into separate classes next year.

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Old 05-09-2021, 03:35 PM   #28
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Technically, they are not selfbows, but they are primitive bows. They should have named the class “Primitive”. Anyway, I clarified with the event organizer. They are allowing all primitive bows (selfbows and composite) to be shot in the selfbow class this year. If there is enough participation, they will separate them into separate classes next year.

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I thought they were called cheater bows
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Old 05-09-2021, 09:03 PM   #29
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Old 05-09-2021, 09:59 PM   #30
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They're all self bows if you shoot them yourself.
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Well I cut an Osage last summer (myself) and plan to build a real Selfbow (myself) so next year I won’t be a cheater 😆
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