Suppressor components?

[big_smith]

The short Form 1 waits have peaked my interest. Where do y’all purchase components for a homemade suppressor. I’m wanting to build a 30cal can.

[Silentnight]

I'm in for info on this as well

[SC-Texas]

You cannot purchase any silencer components prior to the form one being approved

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[Bowtech38]

Look at a solvent trap

[bermise]

Originally Posted by big_smith

The short Form 1 waits have peaked my interest. Where do y’all purchase components for a homemade suppressor. I’m wanting to build a 30cal can.

Wow. May wanna rethink that plan

[twostepct]

I bought my tubes from Apogee and my end caps/adapters from SD Tactical. My baffles are formed freeze plugs.

[big_smith]

Originally Posted by bermise

Wow. May wanna rethink that plan

Why is that? Perfectly legal if you do the Form1.

[ClearcreekDC]

Originally Posted by SC-Texas

You cannot purchase any silencer components prior to the form one being approved

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You can purchase all the parts you just cant drill.

[ClearcreekDC]

My Form 1 weighs 15 ounces and is just as quite as my buddies 1000 dollar suppressor.

[BTLowry]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

You can purchase all the parts you just cant drill.

While I believe like you, I have to side with SC since he is a lawyer that deals with this stuff, until he clarifies of course

[-HIC-]

Originally Posted by BTLowry

While I believe like you, I have to side with SC since he is a lawyer that deals with this stuff, until he clarifies of course

Like anything with the BATFE it is grey. If you have other drilled parts for a registered form 1 they could probably find something to charge you with. However, if they are at your house you probably have bigger issues!

[Silentnight]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

My Form 1 weighs 15 ounces and is just as quite as my buddies 1000 dollar suppressor.

What size can and what parts did you use?

Also what's the cost on a can like that if you don't mind me asking?

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

You can purchase all the parts you just cant drill.

Lol. The batfe disagrees with you

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[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by -HIC-

Like anything with the BATFE it is grey. If you have other drilled parts for a registered form 1 they could probably find something to charge you with. However, if they are at your house you probably have bigger issues!

I have had the batfe visit clients who ordered solvent trap parts kits off ebay.

They also wanted the NaPA oil filters that he ordered

I have had them visit people and seize solvent trap kits they bought from a local solvent trap dealer that they shut down. They were running email contacts. Receipts and credit card history.

These parts were undrilled solvent trap parts.

The Form 1 Mafia does a lot of things right. But they give terrible advice when it comes to the possession of unregistered silencers and parts.


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[big_smith]

OK so AFTER I get my Form 1 stamp back-where do I buy components?

[BLACKFINTURKEY]

Originally Posted by SC-Texas

I have had the batfe visit clients who ordered solvent trap parts kits off ebay.

They also wanted the NaPA oil filters that he ordered

I have had them visit people and seize solvent trap kits they bought from a local solvent trap dealer that they shut down. They were running email contacts. Receipts and credit card history.

These parts were undrilled solvent trap parts.

The Form 1 Mafia does a lot of things right. But they give terrible advice when it comes to the possession of unregistered silencers and parts.


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I thought you could have parts with out a form 1 as long as they weren’t modified I.e drilled ect

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by BLACKFINTURKEY

I thought you could have parts with out a form 1 as long as they weren’t modified I.e drilled ect

Suppressor parts are illegal.

Whether it's an oil filter, a metal solvent cup, choirboy brass cleaning pads, a metal tube threaded on bith ends, etc.

If you intend to make a silencer with it or have a combination of said parts . . . . .

When I met agents they had my guy's purchase records from the shop and his eBay purchase records. They even wanted the NaPA fuel or oil filters.

They aren't stupid

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[ClearcreekDC]

Its perfectly legal to purchase a solvent trap and solvent trap parts... If I change my mind and want to modify them you have to get an approved Form 1. Suppressor parts are illegal but they are not parts to a suppressor unless they are suppressing.

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

Its perfectly legal to purchase a solvent trap and solvent trap parts... If I change my mind and want to modify them you have to get an approved Form 1. Suppressor parts are illegal but they are not parts to a suppressor unless they are suppressing.

Yeah . . . . Good luck with that. The ATF agents aren't stupid. They show up with your social media posts and this post in this thread. . . . . Yep. Just some old solvent parts . . .bought from a solvent parts dealer who is being prosecuted for . . . Get this . . . Selling silencer parts . . .

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[adam_p]

Thanks for posting Mr. Cody, I had no idea BATF was cracking down on this. I will stop erroneously telling people to go that route. The “cups” screwed that deal up IMO.

I do have a question though, if solvent trap parts are illegal, shouldn’t adj butt stocks be as well since they can easily be converted to slide fire therefore making a machine gun?

[TacticalCowboy]

Oh crap, I hope I don’t get arrested for changing the oil in my truck or owning a bunch of maglites!!

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy

Oh crap, I hope I don’t get arrested for changing the oil in my truck or owning a bunch of maglites!!

That was the joke when the atf ruled that chore boy brass pads were suppressor parts.

https://gundigest.com/article/atf-cl...s-nfa-firearms


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[TacticalCowboy]

Originally Posted by SC-Texas

Yeah . . . . Good luck with that. The ATF agents aren't stupid. They show up with your social media posts and this post in this thread. . . . . Yep. Just some old solvent parts . . .bought from a solvent parts dealer who is being prosecuted for . . . Get this . . . Selling silencer parts . . .

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Honest question here: how are they supposed to prosecute someone for some pieces of metal that “could” be assembled into a suppressor? Like maglites, oil filters, fuel filters, pieces of steel tubing roughly 1” diameter and 10” long, freeze plugs, etc. Everything I just listed is not illegal to own by itself or collectively, correct? The crime begins when you assemble (or prepare) the parts into a suppressor without permission from the almighty government, would it not? Otherwise it would seem as though every O’reilleys in the nation would be involved in selling “suppressor parts”.


Things are not adding up for me in this equation.

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy

Honest question here: how are they supposed to prosecute someone for some pieces of metal that “could” be assembled into a suppressor? Like maglites, oil filters, fuel filters, pieces of steel tubing roughly 1” diameter and 10” long, freeze plugs, etc. Everything I just listed is not illegal to own by itself or collectively, correct? The crime begins when you assemble (or prepare) the parts into a suppressor without permission from the almighty government, would it not? Otherwise it would seem as though every O’reilleys in the nation would be involved in selling “suppressor parts”.





Things are not adding up for me in this equation.

Its intent. Posts on social media i.e. this thread. Text messages and emails discussing how to build a silencer. Searches on building a silencer.

Purchasing solvent trap kits. Seriously, they really aren't as stupid as you think they are.

And when they show up and ask for the parts. You give it to them because it costs more to fight it.

It's the intent to use them as a silencer part and that's usually easy enough to infer and infer they can.

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[joel45acp]

It’s best to simply file a Form1, wait the 20 to 40 days for approval, wait a few more weeks to receive the stamp in the mail, hold stamp in hand, then order/make your parts. I got my approval email about 10days ago, but I haven’t even thought about collecting, buying or making parts yet. I want that piece of paper in hand first before beginning the process of building. Just my dos centavos.

[bearintex]

Originally Posted by joel45acp

It’s best to simply file a Form1, wait the 20 to 40 days for approval, wait a few more weeks to receive the stamp in the mail, hold stamp in hand, then order/make your parts. I got my approval email about 10days ago, but I haven’t even thought about collecting, buying or making parts yet. I want that piece of paper in hand first before beginning the process of building. Just my dos centavos.

If you did the Efile Form 1, you won't get an actual stamp, FYI. You just print the approval form with the scan of the actual stamp. So no need to wait after the email.

[TacticalCowboy]

Originally Posted by SC-Texas

Its intent. Posts on social media i.e. this thread. Text messages and emails discussing how to build a silencer. Searches on building a silencer.

Purchasing solvent trap kits. Seriously, they really aren't as stupid as you think they are.

And when they show up and ask for the parts. You give it to them because it costs more to fight it.

It's the intent to use them as a silencer part and that's usually easy enough to infer and infer they can.

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Not saying you’re wrong, but that’s BS.

[ClearcreekDC]

Originally Posted by joel45acp

It’s best to simply file a Form1, wait the 20 to 40 days for approval, wait a few more weeks to receive the stamp in the mail, hold stamp in hand, then order/make your parts. I got my approval email about 10days ago, but I haven’t even thought about collecting, buying or making parts yet. I want that piece of paper in hand first before beginning the process of building. Just my dos centavos.

You are going to be waiting a while if you efiled. They only send an attachment to your email upon approval. Print it. I keep a copy in my truck and at my home at all times.

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy

Not saying you’re wrong, but that’s BS.

I am right
As are you. Its BS

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[rossivey]

My buddy at our local gun store said a guy told him the ATF came to his house looking for the auto sear keychain he bought online. Had the transaction details in hand when they knocked on his door. They are definitely paying attention to people.

[joel45acp]

Originally Posted by bearintex

If you did the Efile Form 1, you won't get an actual stamp, FYI. You just print the approval form with the scan of the actual stamp. So no need to wait after the email.

Oh ok. Lol I was under the impression the ATF would send an actual stamp.

[joel45acp]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

You are going to be waiting a while if you efiled. They only send an attachment to your email upon approval. Print it. I keep a copy in my truck and at my home at all times.

Just got off the phone with ATF and I’m “Good to go hun”. Lol, let’s start drilling, grinding and screwing stuff.

[Graysonhogs]

Originally Posted by SC-Texas

Its intent. Posts on social media i.e. this thread. Text messages and emails discussing how to build a silencer. Searches on building a silencer.

Purchasing solvent trap kits. Seriously, they really aren't as stupid as you think they are.

And when they show up and ask for the parts. You give it to them because it costs more to fight it.

It's the intent to use them as a silencer part and that's usually easy enough to infer and infer they can.

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The truth, and one of the major problems with dealing with anything government related, or matters of legality. Like the greatest orator of the last 200 years, IceMan King Parsons said, "It be's that way sometimes."

[ClearcreekDC]

Just know the laws and you will be just fine. Tons of FB groups with hundreds or more talking about this daily. You have to understand that the ATF is probably approving 100s of Form 1s DAILY. You really think THEY think we are all metal machinist? Come on! You will be fine and good luck.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

Just know the laws and you will be just fine. Tons of FB groups with hundreds or more talking about this daily. You have to understand that the ATF is probably approving 100s of Form 1s DAILY. You really think THEY think we are all metal machinist? Come on! You will be fine and good luck.

I would trust the NFA lawyer on this thread and not the above.


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[ClearcreekDC]

That’s fine. Trust who you want. I promise it doesn’t make a difference to me. Read the laws. Interpret them how you want.

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

That’s fine. Trust who you want. I promise it doesn’t make a difference to me. Read the laws. Interpret them how you want.

Here's the deal. I am simply right about this.

That said, I'm not going to tell you how many people gather the parts before the form 1 is approved.

The examples I have been involved in bought solvent traps online or paid with a card in a shop or gun show and when the ATF seized the owner and his records, his email list, facebook messenger messages, etc. and assets they easily ID'd the customers.

What does that mean.
1. The law is the law.
2. The ATF most likely isn't going to come to your home because you bought chore boy brass pads or a shoe lace (machinegun ya know) or a oil filter

But stop deluding yourself about the legality of solvent traps especially if you have form 1 pending. That's intent on its face.

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[meltingfeather]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

I promise it doesn’t make a difference to me.

That's why you're not trustworthy-- you've got no skin in the game, or knowledge/experience on the subject.

[big_smith]

Just to be clear as the OP, and just in case anyone is snitching me to the BATF, I have purchased no parts, and don't intend to purchase any parts until the Form 1 is complete. I simply was trying to put a parts list together to determine best place to purchase once the Form 1 is finished. Not sure how this went off the rails.

[Hunteraudit]

Originally Posted by SC-Texas

I have had the batfe visit clients who ordered solvent trap parts kits off ebay.

They also wanted the NaPA oil filters that he ordered

I have had them visit people and seize solvent trap kits they bought from a local solvent trap dealer that they shut down. They were running email contacts. Receipts and credit card history.

These parts were undrilled solvent trap parts.

The Form 1 Mafia does a lot of things right. But they give terrible advice when it comes to the possession of unregistered silencers and parts.


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So after I have my F1 stamp in hand, is it ok to then purchase a solvent trap to use in a build? What about other “suppressor parts” that I may need to put it together.

Man you read so much disinformation on the internet about this...

Also, I wonder if any of this stuff mentioned later in this thread has been tested in court or if it’s just the ATF cramming it’s version of the law down the throats of otherwise law abiding citizens.

[Hunteraudit]

Originally Posted by big_smith

Just to be clear as the OP, and just in case anyone is snitching me to the BATF, I have purchased no parts, and don't intend to purchase any parts until the Form 1 is complete. I simply was trying to put a parts list together to determine best place to purchase once the Form 1 is finished. Not sure how this went off the rails.

I’m in the same shoes as you with the same question.

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by Hunteraudit

So after I have my F1 stamp in hand, is it ok to then purchase a solvent trap to use in a build? What about other “suppressor parts” that I may need to put it together.



Man you read so much disinformation on the internet about this...



Also, I wonder if any of this stuff mentioned later in this thread has been tested in court or if it’s just the ATF cramming it’s version of the law down the throats of otherwise law abiding citizens.

Absolutely. Once you have the form 1 I think it's okay. But you cant have extra parts. Lol

Its so stupid.

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[MLAH]

^

[ClearcreekDC]

Originally Posted by SC-Texas

Here's the deal. I am simply right about this.

That said, I'm not going to tell you how many people gather the parts before the form 1 is approved.

The examples I have been involved in bought solvent traps online or paid with a card in a shop or gun show and when the ATF seized the owner and his records, his email list, facebook messenger messages, etc. and assets they easily ID'd the customers.

What does that mean.
1. The law is the law.
2. The ATF most likely isn't going to come to your home because you bought chore boy brass pads or a shoe lace (machinegun ya know) or a oil filter

But stop deluding yourself about the legality of solvent traps especially if you have form 1 pending. That's intent on its face.

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I dont have a form 1 pending at all. Can you copy/paste the law that says solvent traps are illegal? I dont care about your interpretation (no offense). I would like you to state the law. I understand you are a big wig lawyer with a great following. I just want the law posted that says solvent traps are illegal. Also how old are all these prior experiences with clients you keep mentioning? Anything in last 4 years?

[yotethumper]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

I dont have a form 1 pending at all. Can you copy/paste the law that says solvent traps are illegal? I dont care about your interpretation (no offense). I would like you to state the law. I understand you are a big wig lawyer with a great following. I just want the law posted that says solvent traps are illegal. Also how old are all these prior experiences with clients you keep mentioning? Anything in last 4 years?

https://www.atf.gov/denver-field-div...seized-website

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5861

[ClearcreekDC]

Never purchased from dark side defense thank goodness! Im looking for written laws not cases where they shut down websites.

[ClearcreekDC]

Originally Posted by yotethumper

https://www.atf.gov/denver-field-div...seized-website

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5861

Solid edit with the added link. Still doesn't show me where its illegal to purchase a solvent trap.

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

Never purchased from dark side defense thank goodness! Im looking for written laws not cases where they shut down websites.

Why dont you do this
Buy some solvent traps
Call the atf and tell them
Refuse to hand them over

Let us know who was right?

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[ClearcreekDC]

Can you not just post the law that says they are illegal. I promise I will go away.... It just seems the only meat and potatoes of this post are opinions... and we know how much ground those hold.

[SC-Texas]

Originally Posted by ClearcreekDC

Solid edit with the added link. Still doesn't show me where its illegal to purchase a solvent trap.

And If it's not illegal to purchase solvent traps, why would the ATF it's shutting solvent trap dealers down and visiting everybody on their customer list who Has bought a solvent trap

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