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Old 05-20-2022, 06:50 PM   #1
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Default East Texas quail, when and where did you last see any?

Itís been years and years. For me it was early 90s at my deer lease in red river county and off of the sulphur river in hunt county.
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Old 05-20-2022, 07:09 PM   #2
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I have quail on our lease in Red River county right now. We’ve seen several coveys and even some chicks once. Not many, but we’ve got some. We discourage our hunters from messing with them, would love to see the population grow.
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Old 05-20-2022, 07:12 PM   #3
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I’m probably no help because my last time goes waaay back. My father grew up in Grapeland and we visited a lot in the late 60’s through the the mid 70’s - because of his business my grandfather knew just about every landowner in Houston County. When we got to town during the season dad (avid quail hunter) would start calling around. He would always find a few landowners who would tell him where they’d seen a covey or two hanging around and invite us out. Some of my best hunting memories - my dad, our Brittany and my single shot 20 gauge
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Old 05-20-2022, 07:23 PM   #4
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I saw one Bob white on the side of a county road near Clayton around 2008. I have no way of knowing if he was wild or released. I heard some whistling near Henderson one morning in the mid nineties. Same deal, don’t know if they were wild. Other than those, it was in the early to mid seventies when we still hunted them here.
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Old 05-20-2022, 07:24 PM   #5
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Old 05-20-2022, 07:30 PM   #6
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My dad and grandad guided quail and woodcock hunters in smith and van zandt county in the 70’s and 80’s. I killed some in 88 but it wasn’t long after that the quail numbers tanked. According to my old man house cats, horse farms and coastal Bermuda grass were the main culprits of the decline in numbers.
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Old 05-20-2022, 08:10 PM   #7
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My land hasn't been sprayed with any kind of pesticide in the last 40 years but the Bobwhite quail have gone darn near extent. This is in Mills county. Habitat is the same. Maybe even better except for this drought. My Dad trained bird dogs for people back in the late 70's to early 80's. He would kill a few birds for the dogs to fetch. My have times changed.
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Old 05-20-2022, 08:10 PM   #8
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Newton County, 90s.

You would think the TPWD would try reestablish Quail before bear and rattlesnakes….. just a thought
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Old 05-20-2022, 08:16 PM   #9
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Freestone County outside of Oakwood in the mid 80's. Had several coveys in the fields behind our house.
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Old 05-20-2022, 08:31 PM   #10
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Sabine County - early 2000’s there was covey on my grandpa’s land that we had watched for years
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Old 05-20-2022, 08:36 PM   #11
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Well, I would have to go way back. I graduated HS in 79. I remember getting off the school bus, grabbing my shotgun, and turning one dog out. Take off across the neighbors pasture and hit another pasture that didnít have any cows on it. Then just go from pasture to pasture. Be back home in time for dad to get home from work and I would be cleaning birds. He would ask how many I killed. I say 6. Then he ask how many coveys I found. I say 5.
Then after a couple years after I graduated, I worked on pipelines. Ended up helping a welder that lived right up the road. We worked on one right outside of Mount Enterprise. There were some big cut overs around there. I would hunt those on the weekends and found several coveys there. That was the early 80ís.
Havenít seen or heard a quail since then.
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Old 05-20-2022, 08:45 PM   #12
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I've heard it's something about eye mites. No clue if true or not.
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Old 05-20-2022, 08:54 PM   #13
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Well, I would have to go way back. I graduated HS in 79. I remember getting off the school bus, grabbing my shotgun, and turning one dog out. Take off across the neighbors pasture and hit another pasture that didnít have any cows on it. Then just go from pasture to pasture. Be back home in time for dad to get home from work and I would be cleaning birds. He would ask how many I killed. I say 6. Then he ask how many coveys I found. I say 5.
Then after a couple years after I graduated, I worked on pipelines. Ended up helping a welder that lived right up the road. We worked on one right outside of Mount Enterprise. There were some big cut overs around there. I would hunt those on the weekends and found several coveys there. That was the early 80ís.
Havenít seen or heard a quail since then.
Oh, this was in Panola county and Rusk county.
I also remember dad taking me and we hunted a lot of places in Shelby county, between Joaquin and Paxton. Back then all the pastures were grown up because nobody ran cattle.
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Old 05-20-2022, 08:55 PM   #14
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See a couple coveys a year, that's it! Nothing like the past(Concho County).
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Old 05-20-2022, 09:08 PM   #15
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Panola County - in the Clayton area. Heard them paired up pretty good this time last year.
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Old 05-20-2022, 09:10 PM   #16
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Saw 10-12 in East Colorado County earlier!
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Old 05-20-2022, 09:10 PM   #17
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Houston Co. I grew up with quail whistling in the spring. We always had coveys on our place. About 1992, they were just suddenly gone.
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Old 05-20-2022, 09:27 PM   #18
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Houston Co. I grew up with quail whistling in the spring. We always had coveys on our place. About 1992, they were just suddenly gone.
Probably around same time frame here, NE Navarro Co.
Used to have a covey of about 12-15 hang around the house and a few loose coveys down along a creek.

I was shooting my bow one day(about '82 or so) and covey came flying into a Redbud tree I had. More like a bush, right beside me. Then I heard a hawk screech and knew why.

Haven't seem em in a long, long time.
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Old 05-20-2022, 09:30 PM   #19
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I heard a couple whistling last Fall out on the prairie here in Liberty County... Couldn't believe my ears. They were down in my pasture behind the house, but I didn't see 'em. Heard 'em off and on throughout most of the Winter, but haven't heard any this Spring... I was hoping they made it, but odds were stacked against 'em here with all the yotes, free roaming dogs/strays, and millions on coons...
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Old 05-20-2022, 09:36 PM   #20
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I use to see and hear them all the time in Hardin County. Been scarce to non existent since the early ‘90’s
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Old 05-20-2022, 09:46 PM   #21
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There’s many reasons the quail population has plummeted. Eye worms Are the biggest culprit. Raptors are #2, most all rural people used to raise chickens so they kept the raptors numbers down. During the fur boom the trappers kept the nest raiders at bay. Tens of thousands of coons, skunks,possums where caught each year. People say habitat change, but i know ranches covering many square miles that haven’t changed in the last 50 years. Quail are prolific breeders, but not able to overcome disease and predation.
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Old 05-20-2022, 10:46 PM   #22
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Wood co. Mid 80’s that were wild

I see one every other year or so standing in a road… you can go pick it up… it was released. Also seen a pheasant last year
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Old 05-21-2022, 07:27 AM   #23
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Lamar county
Turkey hunting in 2007 at PMWMA walked into a small covey
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Old 05-21-2022, 07:48 AM   #24
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My dad and grandad guided quail and woodcock hunters in smith and van zandt county in the 70ís and 80ís. I killed some in 88 but it wasnít long after that the quail numbers tanked. According to my old man house cats, horse farms and coastal Bermuda grass were the main culprits of the decline in numbers.
Grew up in the same area and early to mid 80's was last I remember seeing any.

We also had a ton of Horny Toads in the sand fields. We would catch a few and keep them in a shoebox for a few hours then turn them back to catch another day. Big ones too, size of the palm of a grown man's hand
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Old 05-21-2022, 07:53 AM   #25
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It was a very long time ago.. Before fire ants and back when coon skins brought good money..
There are your 2 problems.
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Old 05-21-2022, 09:07 AM   #26
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I saw on the TPWD show that ground nesting birds were getting wiped out by the hog explosion. They cover every bit if ground and can sniff out eggs. It was in context to Turkey but stands to reason other ground laying birds would meet the same fate.


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Old 05-21-2022, 09:16 AM   #27
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I saw on the TPWD show that ground nesting birds were getting wiped out by the hog explosion. They cover every bit if ground and can sniff out eggs. It was in context to Turkey but stands to reason other ground laying birds would meet the same fate.


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Hogs are useless vermin and one day they will outnumber deer in lots of areas. They may already.
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Old 05-21-2022, 09:31 AM   #28
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Hogs are useless vermin and one day they will outnumber deer in lots of areas. They may already.

Well with the coming recession/depression maybe those numbers will decrease a little lol. Knowing our govt though the FDA and USDA will have people starving in the streets while free meat runs rampant through the woods lmao.


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Old 05-21-2022, 10:14 AM   #29
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So a little off, but i frequent Las Vegas and they are all around. Have no idea how they survive it’s so dry!
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Old 05-21-2022, 10:17 AM   #30
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Late 90's early 2000's Corrigan/camden area.
Lot of factors I think hurt quail.

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Old 05-21-2022, 10:42 AM   #31
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People blame fire ants and predators, and anything else. It is habitat loss that is the reason for the decline. Overgrazed pastures, farming, subdivisions, you name it. My grandpa said when he was a kid, there were quail all over down here. But between farming and cattle, the quail that were left can’t survive predation.
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Old 05-21-2022, 11:54 AM   #32
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The last big covey I saw at our place in northeast Jasper Co. was 1992. I did see a single last summer.
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Old 05-21-2022, 12:48 PM   #33
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Panhandle nailed it on their decline. Habitat loss is by far the biggest factor, primarily Bermuda hayfields. Bermuda is too thick, the chicks can’t move around in it and hide.
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Old 05-21-2022, 01:05 PM   #34
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People blame fire ants and predators, and anything else. It is habitat loss that is the reason for the decline. Overgrazed pastures, farming, subdivisions, you name it. My grandpa said when he was a kid, there were quail all over down here. But between farming and cattle, the quail that were left canít survive predation.
I agree. South Texas is loaded with predators, on the ground and from the sky and our numbers are stable. But ranches with poor over grazed pastures, or lack of cover or water populations are non existent.
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Old 05-21-2022, 01:56 PM   #35
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Saw a few in Trinity county about 10yrs ago
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Old 05-21-2022, 02:34 PM   #36
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I agree. South Texas is loaded with predators, on the ground and from the sky and our numbers are stable. But ranches with poor over grazed pastures, or lack of cover or water populations are non existent.
Yep the loss of habitat, improved grass in pastures that arenít quail friendly, over grazed , no more edge strips
I saw one covey last month near the hay staging area in Eldorado
One covey on 40,000 acres
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Old 05-21-2022, 03:31 PM   #37
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From reading everyoneís replyís, for the most part it sounds like itís been 20+ years for most all Of us. That area up along the red river seems To hold a few still. I know our lease we had back in the 80s into the mid 90s up northeast of Clarksville we had them. I think quail are suffering from much the same as turkeys, only worse. Thereís always been fire ants and nest raiding predators, I think habitat change and wild hogs are the main difference now. We didnít have hogs 30 years ago like we do now and the timber companies do not burn anymore.
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Old 05-21-2022, 04:15 PM   #38
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Bobwhites are one of the most highly-researched wildlife species in Texas. If one problem was to blame for their decline, we would have found out years ago. Most quail experts agree that habitat loss/degradation is the biggest factor, but everything else from fire ants and eye worms to pigs and other predators certainly contribute. Quail need huge acreage of suitable habitat to sustain themselves and interbreed with neighboring populations following drought years. Development, land fragmentation, and pasture conversion can divide habitats and isolate small populations that won’t survive long-term.

My dad tells stories about huntable populations in and around Hunt County back in the 70s. Wish we could see that again in east Texas.

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Old 05-21-2022, 04:31 PM   #39
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Had two coveys on my place when we bought in the early '90's. We never hunted them and neither did the neighbors. After about 3-4 years I have not seen or heard any. Did see a couple of turkeys on different occasions over the years.
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Old 05-21-2022, 04:57 PM   #40
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Old 05-22-2022, 09:41 AM   #41
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I saw 2 coveys and heard them every morning while we were turkey hunting the Sabine NF

Prior to reading this thread, I assumed there was a pretty healthy population
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Old 05-22-2022, 02:37 PM   #42
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We had tons of quail in Hunt county back in the 70’s and early 80’s, my folks even had a covey that stayed around their house. Haven’t heard a single quail since the late 80’s around there.
Our lease is about 10 miles north of Clarksville, we have a great Turkey population also. First time I heard one whistle I didn’t believe it. We’ve seen several coveys over the last 3-4 years up there.
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Old 05-22-2022, 02:43 PM   #43
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I think it's a combination of many things. I have lots of Turkeys and they are ground nesters. I haven't seen a covey of quail for at least a year and nothing has changed on my places. No spraying etc.
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Old 05-22-2022, 02:57 PM   #44
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I hunt the Angelina Ntl Forest and see lots of quail every year.They burn and create habitat so I guess that’s why there’s some to be seen up there.I jump plenty when I’m stalking along trying to be quiet for deer but if I ever break out the shotgun I can’t buy a bird.
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Old 05-22-2022, 05:29 PM   #45
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Fire ants, hogs, eyeworms, and drought all factors for sure. I think an unmentioned factor is round up resistant crops which kills all the cover around some fields. I have a really nice flusher in her prime. I have been getting her some work on woodcock as quail are few in my usual haunts.
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Old 05-22-2022, 05:50 PM   #46
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I had one in my garage last year on lake Tyler, but I’m pretty sure he was an escapee from someone.
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Old 05-23-2022, 02:46 PM   #47
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Old 05-23-2022, 03:02 PM   #48
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One covey on my place, one time about 10 years ago in Lamar county. Never hear any either.
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Old 05-23-2022, 03:06 PM   #49
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I saw one Bob white on the side of a county road near Clayton around 2008. I have no way of knowing if he was wild or released. I heard some whistling near Henderson one morning in the mid nineties. Same deal, donít know if they were wild. Other than those, it was in the early to mid seventies when we still hunted them here.
He was almost certainly wild. Released quail rarely last 24 hours in the wild.
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Old 05-23-2022, 03:27 PM   #50
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Sitting on the back porch in the evenings I can hear some whistle out in the pasture every now and again. Some still around, but nothing near like it used to be.
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