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    #16
    Originally posted by Lynn21 View Post
    Mathews is #1 for a reason.
    provide some numbers to prove they are #1,,, I doubt that you can, and I certainly would not rate them #1, and yes they make a good bow, but so do most manufacturers

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      #17
      Originally posted by xman59 View Post
      provide some numbers to prove they are #1,,, I doubt that you can, and I certainly would not rate them #1, and yes they make a good bow, but so do most manufacturers
      I agree with this 100%. I have owned one Bowtech. It was fast, accurate and comfortable in my hand. The draw cycle just wasn't for me. I have owned 4 Mathews bows and two Hoyts. I still have the two Hoyts and I love them. I would take them and the Bowtech over any of the Mathews I've owned. Marketing and an unknowing following says Mathews is #1. I am NOT saying all Mathews owners are unknowing and ignorant.

      Simply put, I believe Mathews bows are the fall-back bows for those that do not know squat about bowhunting. Their marvelous marketing makes it easy know the brand. Real bowhunters know, Mathews makes a good bow as well as Hoyt, Bear, Prime, Elite, Bowtech, etc. It's a matter of personal preference. Much like Remington or Savage.

      Yesterday, I had a customer tell me he has heard a lot of his clients request a product that competes with the one I provide. My product is handmade, custom built to fit and bar-none the best product ever created for its purpose. The product he queried is mediocre at best. I told him bluntly, "You experience demand for it because it's easy to find on the web. Homeowners do a search and it's the first thing that pops up. First rate marketing doesn't make it a quality product."

      Just the way I see it.

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        #18
        Oh good, my popcorn is ready. [emoji897]

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          #19
          An owner of bowtech and have never experienced any issues other than its loud. Insanity cpxl that's been restrung twice probably killed over 300 hogs/javi's combined and 5 of my biggest whitetail and numerous axis. No doubt it's seen sunlight and the back of a ranger with no case and still will put the smack on anything when I'm ready. So I guess I'm a fan boy even though I now have a Matthews halon 32. Everything has flaws and no one will ever admit misuse or abuse in the event of a failure. No limb delamination here


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            #20
            Livin'2hunt seeing how that's the way you see it I imagine a good Ophthalmologist could probably help you out.

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              #21
              Had a 70 lbs. Invasion that for me personally was one of the best shooting bows I've owned. I was confident with it and shot it well. Week before season in 2013 the bottom limb delaminated on the draw. Rather than wait for a warranty repair since the season started that coming weekend I traded it in for a new Assassin. The Invasion was always kept in the house during the offseason and out of the heat to the best of my ability.
              I now shoot a Mathews Halon and don't plan on changing anything anytime soon.

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                #22
                I have a 2011 assassin. Have had no issues with it, Love the speed and feel of it

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by xman59 View Post
                  if you were not defending or not trying to start something why did every single question look like it was aimed at the owner doing something wrong?
                  bowtech has more problems that all other makes combined currently,,
                  the issue is very simple, quality control, I have seen several that were broken, at 60# and 400+ grain arrows with short draws,, no dry fires and proper care.... failure of most over the last several years have been mostly quality control related, and a partial issue with quality causing plenty of derailments was ultra shallow cam groves that the string could not track in ( a few on shots and a lot on let downs that were torqued,( these usually did nothing other than damaged the strings)
                  and junk limbs are a quality issue....
                  and I do not hate on bowtech bows,, there are several models I have liked and a couple I have owned
                  Well, not every question is aimed at the owner, and I was giving examples of most of the culprits to failure that most will not admit to. With that being said, you provided some of the exact feed back I was looking for about the cams and quality control issues causing a lot of the problems. There are a lot of people who would not have noticed the shallow cam groves unless it was really obvious, I am one of them.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by xman59 View Post
                    if you were not defending or not trying to start something why did every single question look like it was aimed at the owner doing something wrong?
                    bowtech has more problems that all other makes combined currently,,
                    the issue is very simple, quality control, I have seen several that were broken, at 60# and 400+ grain arrows with short draws,, no dry fires and proper care.... failure of most over the last several years have been mostly quality control related, and a partial issue with quality causing plenty of derailments was ultra shallow cam groves that the string could not track in ( a few on shots and a lot on let downs that were torqued,( these usually did nothing other than damaged the strings)
                    and junk limbs are a quality issue....
                    and I do not hate on bowtech bows,, there are several models I have liked and a couple I have owned

                    It's not s quality control issue. It's an engineering issue.
                    Try breaking a 1x1 with just your hands.Then try breaking it over Your knee.
                    The problem is that ridiculous brace they placed in the center Of the limb.

                    Have you ever seen a post about a bowtech without the brace having a limb issue?

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by cbd10pt View Post
                      It's not s quality control issue. It's an engineering issue.
                      Try breaking a 1x1 with just your hands.Then try breaking it over Your knee.
                      The problem is that ridiculous brace they placed in the center Of the limb.

                      Have you ever seen a post about a bowtech without the brace having a limb issue?
                      Saw waayyy ore pre center pivot. I personally wouldn't shoot one without center pivot, it makes a huge difference in the way a bow shoots.

                      And for the record I've seen as many "other" brand limb failures as well.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by twosixteens View Post
                        Livin'2hunt seeing how that's the way you see it I imagine a good Ophthalmologist could probably help you out.

                        Of course. As we all know, your opinion is the only one that matters. Some people cannot be reasoned with.

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                          #27
                          My sons buddy works at a shop and could get good deals on bow tech. So he had an admiral ( if I remember the name) that they had just got in. We went to look at it, shoot it. He took it out of the box and drew it back and the top limb broke. That was as far as it got, he said he had had a few brake at that time. And was going to try a differant one, but we said no thanks. Ended up buying a Mathews at that time. And still he has some issues with ( bow techs) limbs.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Low Fence View Post
                            Saw waayyy ore pre center pivot. I personally wouldn't shoot one without center pivot, it makes a huge difference in the way a bow shoots.

                            And for the record I've seen as many "other" brand limb failures as well.
                            Fify

                            ]Saw waayyy more center pivot. I personally wouldn't shoot one with center pivot, it makes a huge difference in the way a bow blows up

                            And for the record I've seen as many "other" brand limb failures as well.[/QUOTE]
                            Lol

                            Have you ever seen an assassin blow up.
                            How about a specialist
                            Or a d340/ 350

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by cbd10pt View Post
                              Fify

                              ]Saw waayyy more center pivot. I personally wouldn't shoot one with center pivot, it makes a huge difference in the way a bow blows up

                              And for the record I've seen as many "other" brand limb failures as well.
                              Lol

                              Have you ever seen an assassin blow up.
                              How about a specialist
                              Or a d340/ 350[/QUOTE]

                              2 assasines
                              Only know if one person shooting a specialist and it was 50#
                              90% of limb problems I saw were d350... only know if one person shooting a d340 just wasn't as popular in my area

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                                #30
                                2006 Tribute, I still shoot her. This is when Kevin said that they were having such bad limb failures during in-house testing; kind of the beginning of the end for him at Bowtech.

                                1. Did you leave the bow, in or out of the case in a car or truck during the summer months for an extended period of time?
                                Never.

                                2. Was said bow left in the garage during the same conditions ( in or out of the case ?)
                                Never.

                                3. Did you leave said bow in or out of the case while at the lease or in the back yard, archery range or where ever in the direct sun light?
                                Never.

                                4. Were the limb bolts all the way down tight against the riser?
                                Yes.

                                5. Was your arrow weight to draw weight ratio the recommended 5 grains of arrow weight to 1 pound of draw weight?
                                Yes, just a bit over.

                                6. Has your bow to your knowledge ever been dry fired?
                                Never.

                                7. If you think back to before the event, were there any signs of failure? ( i.e. such as started shooting off of making strange noise? )
                                Not until it failed; it failed on the draw not the shot.

                                8. If you did have a failure, did BowTech take care of you and repair the problem? If not why?
                                Yes, new limbs installed by the dealer (Archery Country) in a few days no charge.

                                9. What do you think contributed to the failure?
                                Limb was defective.

                                I have not had a single problem with the limbs, or any thing else, on this bow since this happened. In fact, I love it so much I still shoot it.

                                You can read all about it here.
                                http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=364788

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