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Old 03-27-2020, 08:31 AM   #51
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I think I'd kick the neighbor's dog before I pulled a knife or gun. Sounds like two bad decisions.
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:34 AM   #52
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Pulling a knife on a dog is pretty stupid, and I would definitely kick the c@#$ out of the dog first, then see what happens. I would not escalate unless absolutely necessary.
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:48 AM   #53
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About all you can do, is make it clear, he needs to get his dog away, quickly. He was in the wrong from the beginning letting his dog run around off of a leash.
I would not let my dog get torn up, just because he has a gun, when I also have a gun. Pretty stupid situation, since you survived the deal, I would probably report it to the police, so they know about him. Sounds like he needs a new residence, one with bars.
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:04 AM   #54
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I am curious.

Was the D bag with the aggressive dog giving commands to the dog & the dog and was responding/retreating?


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Old 03-27-2020, 09:08 AM   #55
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Not pull a knife on a dog.
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:18 AM   #56
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No disrespect Critter, but this is one of those questions that there is no answer to. To use deadly force you have to have a feeling. The feeling being fear for your life. You can't convey that in a post. I have heard it ask and have been asked. Can I shoot someone for doing something. The answer is if you use deadly force 12 of your piers are going to decide your fate. I know it sounds dumb but it really doesn't matter what anyone things accept the jury.
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:19 AM   #57
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I think I'd kick the neighbor's dog before I pulled a knife or gun. Sounds like two bad decisions.
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Pulling a knife on a dog is pretty stupid, and I would definitely kick the c@#$ out of the dog first, then see what happens. I would not escalate unless absolutely necessary.
It has happened to me that a pit attacked my beagle while out for a walk. I had my piece but my first instinct was to whoop the pit not shoot him.
Next time you see his dog out loose call animal control.

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Old 03-27-2020, 02:17 PM   #58
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No disrespect Critter, but this is one of those questions that there is no answer to. To use deadly force you have to have a feeling. The feeling being fear for your life. You can't convey that in a post. I have heard it ask and have been asked. Can I shoot someone for doing something. The answer is if you use deadly force 12 of your piers are going to decide your fate. I know it sounds dumb but it really doesn't matter what anyone things accept the jury.
That is correct but I might add, a reasonable fear for your life or serious injury

Since I have been a cop for about 100 years, I often get asked that question about using deadly force. So many times I have heard people say, you have to say you’re in fear for your life. It is like it is a trump card. Say you were in fear and you are free to go.

The law says the person using the deadly force had to be “reasonably” in fear of his life or serious injury. The problem is that a jury might be sitting in judgment whether that fear was reasonable. Even in this forum we have read cases where people were indicted and maybe in some cases convicted for shooting someone even inside their home.

It is not good enough to say I was in fear. You need a convincing story to convince a jury that might be sitting in judgment of you.

Yes I know the argument and agree with better to be judged by 12 than carried by six however standing on the sidewalk and trying to make a case might be hard in many situations. There is no duty to retreat however there also is no acceptance to escalate.
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Old 03-27-2020, 02:45 PM   #59
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Old 03-27-2020, 04:40 PM   #60
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In the exact situation you described I would get the hell out of dodge, however if his dog were to attack my dog and I had to try to split it up. His dog would get a knife blade to the throat while doing so


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Old 03-27-2020, 05:48 PM   #61
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I bet you the next time I walked the dog I'd have an AR-15 or 12 gauge shotgun with me. I'd let that dog bite me then shoot it in the head right there in the street and that guy wouldn't do a thing about it except bury it.

I don't fool with mean dogs, I deal with mean dogs. He already threatened your life. I'd report it before anything ever even happened to let the police know you plan on walking your dog over there. If that guy can't control himself or his dog he probably needs to stay inside or keep his dog on a leash.

You already brought a knife to a gun fight once. Take a cannon next time. Problem solved. I bet one time by that house with a shotgun slung over your shoulder and that dog would be on a chain the next day.

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Old 03-27-2020, 05:59 PM   #62
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The fact you pulled a knife gives him an out for pulling the gun. Now it's your story against his with no real "evidence". If you decide to walk that way again... I'd have something recording. ;-). Then again, I'd just walk somewhere else... You can be TOTALLY "in the right" and still have quite an ordeal for the use of a weapon.

I speak from experience. ;-)

Oh and NEVER NEVER pull a weapon unless you're planning to use it...
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Old 03-27-2020, 06:10 PM   #63
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Oh and NEVER NEVER pull a weapon unless you're planning to use it...
This right here. And I'd add you better have a plan for after you use it as well because you're gonna need it.


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Old 03-27-2020, 06:12 PM   #64
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Your best option is to walk your dog on a different route. If that's not an option take a weapon that's suitable for a fight. I wouldn't list a knife of a pistol under that category.
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Old 03-27-2020, 06:23 PM   #65
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Judy chop both of em.
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:17 PM   #66
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The real question is would Bob let his Pure German lined GSD fight the other dog
Depends on the situation. I can assure you my dog can hold his own. Ultimately it is my job to protect him. I think the two of us would be just fine.

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Old 03-27-2020, 08:27 PM   #67
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My 2cents, 1st of all, he threatened you which in my past LEO days would have been classified as a "possible terroristic threat" which at least back in the days was included in the Texas Penal Code. NO idea if that still exists and of course is subject to interpretation to both responding officer, if called, then prosecutor interpretation to file charges.

But here is what my wife and I do when taking a walk, we carry a Baton Stun Gun that is 14" long to repel "whatever" would do us harm. We do NOT take our dogs with us on our walks so not in play.

"Most" municipalities have leash laws, but if you are in the county then? Totally out of line from what you described and at least for me, don't "threaten" me or any of my family unless you are prepared to pay the price either by law or self defense. Total BS!
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:34 PM   #68
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The fact you pulled a knife gives him an out for pulling the gun. Now it's your story against his with no real "evidence". If you decide to walk that way again... I'd have something recording. ;-). Then again, I'd just walk somewhere else... You can be TOTALLY "in the right" and still have quite an ordeal for the use of a weapon.



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This right here. And I'd add you better have a plan for after you use it as well because you're gonna need it.


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There are situations where is perfectly fine to present your gun but not shoot. Many situations have been diffused/de-escalated by the presence/presentation of a gun.


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Old 03-27-2020, 08:35 PM   #69
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Lot of Rambo going on

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Old 03-27-2020, 08:38 PM   #70
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When my kids were in elementary school, their PE teacher got shotgunned to death in the street during his little girls birthday party because his drunk neighbor thought they were too loud. Point being, first, you never know what somebody with a gun is gonna do. Second, I learned to fight because sometimes you have to....my dog better do the same. I ain't getting shot over a dog. Third, and finally, that SOB ain't always gonna have a gun in his hand....maybe while he's checking his mail, maybe while he's in line in the grocery store, maybe while he's delivering Meals-on-Wheels to the elderly, I don't know, but one day he'd probably had wished he'd have shot me when he had the chance.

Who the **** pulls a knife?
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:10 PM   #71
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You're correct. I guess it would be more accurate to say willing than planning.
But don't count on brandishing your weapon to stop a determined aggressor.

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Old 03-28-2020, 12:14 PM   #72
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Your walking your dog ( on leash) and another dog ( this dog off leash) in its yard at first then in the neighbors yards upon confrontation. We won’t say what kind of dog. But it comes at your dog very aggressively, you have a knife and a concealed pistol. Now Let’s say you pulled your knife, just in case. Owner of other dog yells at you “ if you touch my dog I will shoot you”, pulls weapon and waves it around, while half heartily trying to get his dog to obey. Seriously think about what would you do ?

These WWYD threads drive me to drinking!

1. What's the purpose of the thread?
2. Did this actually happen to you?
3. Why not tell the attacking dog breed? Why the secret? What difference does that make?
4. You have a pistol, yet take the time to pull and open a pocket knife?
5. Why have you not responded back to the thread that you started?
6. Why use "your" instead of the correct, "you're"?
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Old 03-28-2020, 01:09 PM   #73
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You're correct. I guess it would be more accurate to say willing than planning.
But don't count on brandishing your weapon to stop a determined aggressor.

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Old 03-28-2020, 01:40 PM   #74
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This thread reminds me of the “would you shoot a guy with corona virus for coughing on you thread” from a couple of days ago.
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Old 03-28-2020, 01:50 PM   #75
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Pics or it didn't happen. jk, but that leads me to this. put the knife up and do like the kids do and pull out your phone and start recording. 98% of people that are acting like a fool will get some manners real quick when they know they are being recorded.

I've had dogs off leash run up on me twice and both times were sent screaming back where they came from. i have a pair of rottweilers that spend their weekends at the ranch with me and have scrapped with a lot of critters out there. a city dog doesn't stand a chance.
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Old 03-28-2020, 01:52 PM   #76
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Before I could honestly answer I will have to know what breed of dog it was..

If it was a pit bull then that can easily escalate into a very dangerous and could easily becom a life threatening situation..
If it was a Chihauhau or a poodle, well that's totally different.
But anything other than keeping on walking will probably cost you a bunch of money at the very least.. Even if you are in the right.. Tuff call.
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These WWYD threads drive me to drinking!

1. What's the purpose of the thread?
2. Did this actually happen to you?
3. Why not tell the attacking dog breed? Why the secret? What difference does that make?
4. You have a pistol, yet take the time to pull and open a pocket knife?
5. Why have you not responded back to the thread that you started?
6. Why use "your" instead of the correct, "you're"?
And if someone is alive to tell the story why wouldn't people do what they did? Because what they did was obviously the right choice. Because they're telling the story.
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Old 03-28-2020, 02:30 PM   #78
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Back out call the police. File charges.
If it happens again be sure to pull gun first.
Sounds like you have rough neighbors.
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Old 03-28-2020, 03:14 PM   #80
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Is there a leash law if so report to authorities.
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Old 03-28-2020, 03:42 PM   #81
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I wouldn’t get shot over a dog and bringing a knife to a gunfight sounds like an easy way to get shot.
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Old 03-28-2020, 04:10 PM   #82
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I didn’t know it, but this is a good reason to not go on walks.
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Old 03-28-2020, 04:20 PM   #83
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Judy chop both of em.
Whoa.. just got real in here
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:58 PM   #84
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Old 03-29-2020, 12:08 AM   #85
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Slip the knife back in your pocket, take out your phone and call 911 and tell them you are at so and so address and were threatened with a gun. When the cop/s drives up walk up and tell him i called, i will sign the complaint.

I would never take a walk in my neighborhood without being armed with a gun. Any neighborhood.
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Your walking your dog ( on leash) and another dog ( this dog off leash) in its yard at first then in the neighbors yards upon confrontation. We won’t say what kind of dog. But it comes at your dog very aggressively, you have a knife and a concealed pistol. Now Let’s say you pulled your knife, just in case. Owner of other dog yells at you “ if you touch my dog I will shoot you”, pulls weapon and waves it around, while half heartily trying to get his dog to obey. Seriously think about what would you do ?

Now days if it’s a pit I’d shoot the owner first then pit second living in the cities with what you said. Problem is I wouldn’t have a gun.

20 years ago I would have let the dogs settle it.

Who in the hell Is pulling a gun over dogs getting into a squabble?



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When my kids were in elementary school, their PE teacher got shotgunned to death in the street during his little girls birthday party because his drunk neighbor thought they were too loud. Point being, first, you never know what somebody with a gun is gonna do. Second, I learned to fight because sometimes you have to....my dog better do the same. I ain't getting shot over a dog. Third, and finally, that SOB ain't always gonna have a gun in his hand....maybe while he's checking his mail, maybe while he's in line in the grocery store, maybe while he's delivering Meals-on-Wheels to the elderly, I don't know, but one day he'd probably had wished he'd have shot me when he had the chance.

Who the **** pulls a knife?
Haven't thought about that shooting in years.

Based on some of the comments these threads get he(the shooter) fulfilled a lot of TBHr's fantasies that night. Go antagonize someone and when they run up to whip your *** shoot em and hope to walk away.
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When my kids were in elementary school, their PE teacher got shotgunned to death in the street during his little girls birthday party because his drunk neighbor thought they were too loud. Point being, first, you never know what somebody with a gun is gonna do. Second, I learned to fight because sometimes you have to....my dog better do the same. I ain't getting shot over a dog. Third, and finally, that SOB ain't always gonna have a gun in his hand....maybe while he's checking his mail, maybe while he's in line in the grocery store, maybe while he's delivering Meals-on-Wheels to the elderly, I don't know, but one day he'd probably had wished he'd have shot me when he had the chance.

Who the **** pulls a knife?

I have never pulled anything but a shotgun 3 times in my life and it got the job done.

I always have a knife but never have a pistol.


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These WWYD threads drive me to drinking!

1. What's the purpose of the thread?
2. Did this actually happen to you?
3. Why not tell the attacking dog breed? Why the secret? What difference does that make?
4. You have a pistol, yet take the time to pull and open a pocket knife?
5. Why have you not responded back to the thread that you started?
6. Why use "your" instead of the correct, "you're"?
..., and why the space inside the parentheses?

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Your walking your dog ( on leash) and another dog ( this dog off leash) in its yard at first then in the neighbors yards upon confrontation. We won’t say what kind of dog. But it comes at your dog very aggressively, you have a knife and a concealed pistol. Now Let’s say you pulled your knife, just in case. Owner of other dog yells at you “ if you touch my dog I will shoot you”, pulls weapon and waves it around, while half heartily trying to get his dog to obey. Seriously think about what would you do ?
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Old 03-29-2020, 05:02 AM   #90
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If he pulled a gun, seems like a law was broken. That isn't something I would take lightly. When it comes to dogs being involved, you never win. Keep walking.
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Based on what we know about this scenario, I assume it would be grounds for that person to lose his LTC if he has one. Anyone know if that would happen?
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Old 03-29-2020, 07:43 AM   #92
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I used to think a lot like the take no crap from no one folks on here, and settled differences with my fist. The legal system broke me of that mentality. I could not imagine the cost of settle differences with a weapon. Don’t get me wrong I would still protect my self or my family if needed, but would avoid a bad situation if possible.
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CHAPTER 22. ASSAULTIVE OFFENSES

§ 22.05. DEADLY CONDUCT.
(a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury.
(b) A person commits an offense if he knowingly discharges a firearm at or in the direction of:
(1) one or more individuals;
(2) a habitation, building, or vehicle and is reckless as to whether the habitation, building, or vehicle is occupied.
(c) Recklessness and danger are presumed if the actor knowingly pointed a firearm at or in the direction of another whether or not the actor believed the firearm to be loaded.
(d) For purposes of this section, "building," "habitation," and "vehicle" have the meanings assigned those terms by Section 30.01.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor. An offense under Subsection (b) is a felony of the third degree.
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CHAPTER 22. ASSAULTIVE OFFENSES

§ 22.05. DEADLY CONDUCT.
(a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury.
(b) A person commits an offense if he knowingly discharges a firearm at or in the direction of:
(1) one or more individuals;
(2) a habitation, building, or vehicle and is reckless as to whether the habitation, building, or vehicle is occupied.
(c) Recklessness and danger are presumed if the actor knowingly pointed a firearm at or in the direction of another whether or not the actor believed the firearm to be loaded.
(d) For purposes of this section, "building," "habitation," and "vehicle" have the meanings assigned those terms by Section 30.01.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor. An offense under Subsection (b) is a felony of the third degree.
The OP never says anything about pointing the gun, only waving it around. That isn’t deadly conduct unless the gun was pointed. Waving a gun on your own property is.... what?
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If he pulled a gun, seems like a law was broken. That isn't something I would take lightly. When it comes to dogs being involved, you never win. Keep walking.
Herein lies the problem.... dog owner hear’s his dog barking and comes outside and sees a guy that pulls a knife. Does he have the right of self defense on his own property when he sees a guy pull out a knife?

It is easy as some have suggested to just say defend yourself (if you want to draw on an already drawn gun) with your handgun but let’s play what if.

The police shows up for a shooting incident and find a guy in the sidewalk shot a guy coming out of his house. Who has the most likely right of use of force... the guy in his yard or the guy on a public sidewalk?

There is a reasonable chance to OP walking the dog might be the one charged.

Lots of what ifs but that is what the police will be looking at.
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