2020 Official Astros - Off Season thread

[rtp]

Originally Posted by bowhntrmatt

I can’t wait for the season to start so we can talk about something other than sign stealing.

Oh it is going to be talked about into next year Im afraid. And remember it is the Astros' sign stealing debacle and no one else's. Just so we are clear.

[Tshelly]

Originally Posted by bowhntrmatt

I can’t wait for the season to start so we can talk about something other than sign stealing.

Our next Cuban star hopefully.


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[topduarte]

Originally Posted by Tshelly

As an Astros FAN we have zero responsibility for what happened on the field or anything to be sorry for.

As a whole Yankees fans are the biggest pos’s out there. Throwing beer on visiting fans in their park seems to be the mo, with story after story of actual appalling behavior in your history.


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Really??? All teams have the same dumbass fanbase. I am not one of those.

Open your eyes.

[Smart]

[Backwoods101]

Originally Posted by topduarte

Really??? All teams have the same dumbass fanbase. I am not one of those.



Open your eyes.

Nope, it’s well known the Yankees fans rank at the top of the list for crappy fans. If you actually lived in NY to attend “y’all’s” games you might know this


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[mikemorvan]

Originally Posted by bowhntrmatt

I can’t wait for the season to start so we can talk about something other than sign stealing.

Oh, i don't think it will be that easy.

[Tshelly]

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[Rubi513]

Originally Posted by Tshelly

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[texasdeerhunter]

Have the Red Sox held their apology tour yet? Because I’m sure at any moment they will be penalized worse than the Astros for being repeat offenders. I keep waiting for Manfred to keep his word...

[BURTONboy]

Originally Posted by texasdeerhunter

Have the Red Sox held their apology tour yet? Because I’m sure at any moment they will be penalized worse than the Astros for being repeat offenders. I keep waiting for Manfred to keep his word...

Better not hold your breathe on it, youre liable to pass out if you do. Astros are the scape goat in this. Those others will carry on like normal.


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[texasdeerhunter]

I don’t want to hear Red Sox or Yankees fans on their high horse about “only” the Astros being cheaters
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-sign-stealing

[AZST_bowhunter]

Originally Posted by topduarte

They need to be stripped of that WS title imo.

What about the 2000 yankees?? 35% of that team has admitted to using PEDs during that season.

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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by AZST_bowhunter

What about the 2000 yankees?? 35% of that team has admitted to using PEDs during that season.

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So has 35% of the rest of the league.

[Dale Moser]

Blaming Manfred or the yankees isn't going to change what the astros are guilty of...even if they were on the same level, and it doesn't appear that they are. That's a typical excuse given by 3rd graders.

[AZST_bowhunter]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

So has 35% of the rest of the league.

I bet its over 50%...and i bet over 50% of teams were breaking the rules on stealing signs. The poin was vacating a title is pointless.

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[Dale Moser]

Originally Posted by AZST_bowhunter

...and i bet over 50% of teams were breaking the rules on stealing signs.

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[Rubi513]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Blaming Manfred or the yankees isn't going to change what the astros are guilty of...even if they were on the same level, and it doesn't appear that they are. That's a typical excuse given by 3rd graders.

I don’t believe anyone is blaming either...
The point is if you’re going to hammer someone, hammer all that are guilty.

I think they should make the astros players grab each other’s junk after every run scored...

[Bayouboy]

Not sure why so many people just can't accept that the Astros cheated. It tarnishes the world series they won. And, it gives the whole team a black eye. I have been a fan since the Doug Rader, Jimmy Wynn, Bob Watson, Cesar Cedeno, and many others days. Listened to many games on an old radio in the kitchen as a kid growing up. That was the closest team to Alexandria, La. so they broadcasted their games on KALB. Bottom line is they cheated. No matter how many other teams are doing it. The Astros cheated and got caught. Not only will the organization have to overcome the **** show it has become. So will each and every player that was on that team. No telling how many endorsements and $$$$ some of these players will now lose. Winning and time are about the only things that can help them now.

[JHT]

Originally Posted by Rubi513

I don’t believe anyone is blaming either...
The point is if you’re going to hammer someone, hammer all that are guilty.

I think they should make the astros players grab each other’s junk after every run scored...

That's not how it works with millions/billions at stake.

Life isn't fair in big business/politics.

They gave the players immunity for a reason. If they hammered the players the entire league would be minor league players playing MLB just to field a team.

They learned a little from the roid problem.

[MassMan]

Originally Posted by Bayouboy

Not sure why so many people just can't accept that the Astros cheated. It tarnishes the world series they won. And, it gives the whole team a black eye. I have been a fan since the Doug Rader, Jimmy Wynn, Bob Watson, Cesar Cedeno, and many others days. Listened to many games on an old radio in the kitchen as a kid growing up. That was the closest team to Alexandria, La. so they broadcasted their games on KALB. Bottom line is they cheated. No matter how many other teams are doing it. The Astros cheated and got caught. Not only will the organization have to overcome the **** show it has become. So will each and every player that was on that team. No telling how many endorsements and $$$$ some of these players will now lose. Winning and time are about the only things that can help them now.

Who hasn't accepted they cheated? The problem I have is fans of other teams accepting as true that the Astros used buzzers with absolutely zero evidence. A Yankee fan starts the rumor with a fake Twitter account and Ranger fan accepts it as fact. It's fake news and is next level cheating vs banging on a trash can.

We're all ****** and disappointed about 2017. Not much we can do about it but continue to support our team.

[JTeLarkin08]

Houston sucks in general. In all aspects not just baseball lol.


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[manwitaplan]

If they truly “cheated” they would have their World Series tarnished. The thing being discussed mostly is they broke the rules. I’m sure dallas fan is going to lose their stuff over that statement.

If houston was a top market this would have been a wash. The skankies and Boston and dodgers won’t have nothing happen to them.


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[lilavidhunter]

Originally Posted by JTeLarkin08

Houston sucks in general. In all aspects not just baseball lol.


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OK.

[Rubi513]

Originally Posted by JTeLarkin08

Houston sucks in general. In all aspects not just baseball lol.


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So does the Dallas/Fort Worth area...Lol.

[Chase This!]

Originally Posted by manwitaplan

If they truly “cheated” they would have their World Series tarnished. The thing being discussed mostly is they broke the rules. I’m sure dallas fan is going to lose their stuff over that statement.

If houston was a top market this would have been a wash. The skankies and Boston and dodgers won’t have nothing happen to them.


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They cheated.

[Chase This!]

Originally Posted by JTeLarkin08

Houston sucks in general. In all aspects not just baseball lol.


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This is actually false. Houston, the city, is quite awesome.

[DRT]

I am not an Astros fan. But ****. The whole thing is stupid. MLB should be embarrassed it's even a rule.

Gary

[JMKro]

Did they cheat? Yes.

Did the cheating make a difference? Per the statistics, no (winning percentage on the road vs at home in 2017).

2015 - Astros eliminate the Yankees from the playoffs.

2017 - Astros eliminate the Red Sox, Yankees, & Dodgers from the playoffs. Win World Series.

2019 - Astros eliminate the Yankees from the playoffs. Lose World Series.

First decade since the 1910's that the Yankees didn't reach the World Series.

Dodgers lose back to back World Series' in 2017 & 2018.

[CoolHandLuke]

Boston, New York, LA and DFW all suck!

[Smart]

Read the Twittererz......the Astros are not in good favor with fans. Some players don't seem happy either...especially pitchers. Could be bean ball city in mass .

[Fishndude]

Lol! Gifts just keep on coming.

[Dale Moser]

This thing could be fading away had their PR department not gone out of its way to **** every single opportunity up. Instead they’re dominating one new cycle after the next. Crane is a moron.


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[Tshelly]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

This thing could be fading away had their PR department not gone out of its way to **** every single opportunity up. Instead they’re dominating one new cycle after the next. Crane is a moron.


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Lol it’s day 3 of spring training when the pitchers and catchers report. You are smoking something to think any type of statement could be fading this.

Last 3 comments by trolling ranger fans as well.


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[Tshelly]

Correa spitting straight fire today!!


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[MassMan]

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

This thing could be fading away had their PR department not gone out of its way to **** every single opportunity up. Instead they’re dominating one new cycle after the next. Crane is a moron.


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Fading away? When most believe they used buzzers with no facts? It makes no difference what they say.

Correa went from one of my least to most favorite Astro in one day. He needs to do more PR.

[CoolHandLuke]

It’s Saturday afternoon, the Astros are still 2017 WS Champs and the Rangers still suck!

[Smart]

Hell I’d say that too if I was Correa protecting my little buddy and his MVP/batting title or whatever else he won in the trash can Olympics.... plus my WS with an asterisk.

[Rubi513]

Originally Posted by CoolHandLuke

It’s Saturday afternoon, the Astros are still 2017 WS Champs and the Rangers still suck!

Ranger tears are delicious!

[Tshelly]

Originally Posted by Rubi513

Ranger tears are delicious!

Living rent free in all their minds!


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[Smart]

Not near as delicious as having that asterisk stamped on that trophy forever by MLB and it’s fans. It won’t ever be talked about without the cheating being brought up.... much like Pete Rose, Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa or Shoeless Joe. The 2017 WS is forever tainted.

That that’s not the kind of living rent free I’d want to be in everybody’s minds ...but I guess it’s something to be famous for .

[MassMan]

Originally Posted by tshelly

living rent freese in all their minds!


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fify

[Tshelly]

Facts
A.) Astros cheated in 2017 using technology to steal signs and were punished due to the internal memo sent that year warning them to stop

B.) other major league teams were using technology as well to steal signs

C.) Astros quit using code breaker and signs early in 2018 stating they were not working

D.) PhD and baseball writer for prospectus Uses Adams data to conclude zero net gain during the sign stealing.

E.) zero evidence of any buzzers being used. Ever. None.

F) MLB had 12 executive complaints against Astros but did not move for any type of investigation due to the rampant use of it league wide, until Fiers squealed

G.) players were granted immunity to insure this was the only domino to fall.

H.) first and second round picks were vacated but not international money to allow Astros a loop hole.

I.) Yankees twitter account creates fake story about buzzers and holier than though fans run with it.

J.) 2019 MLB had video monitor officials in every dugout and stadium league wide. 2019 was clean and they were 6 outs away from winning another

K.) Rangers still have not won a worlds series. Asterisk or not




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[Smart]

[Tshelly]

Picture of the Rangers WS ring


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[Tshelly]

https://twitter.com/nickscurfield/st...165751298?s=21


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[Smart]

Like Reggie Bush’s Heisman award.. he won it alright... but..

[Burntorange Bowhunter]

The Rangers and Astros have been very similar throughout history. Both have had a recent run of playoff success and World Series appearances. The Rangers were a pit h away from a championship. The Astros happened to win one but it is tainted now.

Y'all act like you are the Yankees or Cardinals. Lol.

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[Burntorange Bowhunter]

BTW.......get ready to watch the Yankees go on another run of several championships without cheating.

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[JMKro]

I didn't realize this until I just sat down and did the math.

For 2017 (Regular Season & Postseason Combined)

Record At Home: 56 Wins / 34 Losses

Record On The Road: 56 Wins / 34 Losses

So all this "scandal", news stories, asterisks, "strip them of the title", etc., over a team that literally had the exact same amount of wins & losses when they didn't cheat, compared to when they did cheat. That's freaking funny...

[CoolHandLuke]

For all those yankee fans who live in glass houses!


https://www.nj.com/yankees/2018/05/y...eroid_use.html